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Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

My thoughts:

1) Congrats to Brown. Some might complain about his campaign but I'm not going to begrudge a candidate for getting down and dirty. Reminded me a lot of the Pats-Giants Super Bowl. One side wanted it more, and because of that was able to overcome longer odds.

2) No need to rehash Coakley's problems, but beyond that, DNC head Tim Kaine needs to go. He's 1 for 4 in contested races, only winning NY-23. Once in awhile you have to be able to bring weaker candidates across the finish line, and they completely blew this one. I always thought turfing Howard Dean over there was a big mistake, but its now on a higher level than I thought.

3) Regarding Dems, the lessons are simple. Don't take anything for granted. Advocate and respond in kind for what you support. Get things done and bank some accomplishments. Tough to run on works in progress.
 
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GOPHER FREAK said:
I concur. 2010 will be very bad for the Dems, it's really a question of how bad. Screw around with seating Brown and they could lose both houses in November.

My prediction is they use the nuclear option. And as a result the GOP takes the house and gains 5-7 Senate seats in November. Obama has an advantage that Clinton didn't in 1994 in these elections and he is too arrogant to use it and change course.
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If the Dems use the nuclear option it won't matter... 6-10 years from now they'll reframe the catastrophe disaster of their invention as proof that we need universal health care and then they'll get what they want.

The whole thing is structured not so that America is helped but so that the right people (the Democrats) are in charge. Remember that when you view any of these... health care, cap and trade, amnesty... its about making sure the right people are in charge... you and I aren't the right people.
 
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Patman said:
If the Dems use the nuclear option it won't matter... 6-10 years from now they'll reframe the catastrophe disaster of their invention as proof that we need universal health care and then they'll get what they want.

The whole thing is structured not so that America is helped but so that the right people (the Democrats) are in charge. Remember that when you view any of these... health care, cap and trade, amnesty... its about making sure the right people are in charge... you and I aren't the right people.
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And the politicians are the right ones? I'd bet my bottom dollar no politician in either house understand science, economics, etc. enough to vote intelligently. I'm all for blowing up the whole thing and starting over. We need term limits for starters.
 
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Wol4ine said:
This is why I hate ObamaCare. You mention some people can't afford health care, but then you say you wish someone would hamstring the insurance co's. Do insurance co's set the cost of health care?
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This is why they had to hamstring the doctors and everybody else. You want to fix health care... make the system more efficient. Otherwise you're battling a game of heart felt emotional ideals. Getting everybody health care is an emotional philosophical ideal and it is VERY expensive. Take what we have now and add on 20%.... period... that's what it'll cost... then you have to decide who pays. Gov't health care assumes that the government will know the most efficient way to leverage society... they'll do that by reducing benefits and mandating certain costs. There is no other way.

Why don't we look at ways to make health care more efficient... make health insurance more competitive... because its going to cost something. And its going to cost something because we want certain things to be done for us... period... no other way of getting around it. Allocation of scarce resources... its not always fun.
 
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Jon said:
There are so many problems with MA that electing pointless Republicans every once in a while isn't solving anything. Both parties need to be annihilated and replaced with individuals who aren't more interested in their criminal business friends, lobbyists, random internet nutjobs (present company excepted), fetuses, insane religious freaks or smelly hippies to care about the actual people in this country.

W didn't care, McCain didn't care, kerry doesn't care, Coakley doesn't care, Brown doesn't care, and I"m 99.9% sure Obama doesn't either. **** politicians.
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In the history of this board I doubt if there has been truer words spoken. And it isnt just that they dont care about the people, they dont even care about the issues. All they care about is winning, which is why conservatives spend like crazy and liberals do nothing to promote freedoms when in power. It isnt about the message, it is about being the coolest guy on the block.

Whats even better is the few in each party that do actually adhere to what the party is supposed to stand for are usually branded as crackpots and shoved aside. Ask John McCain...it took him pulling a complete 180 to have any real shot at the GOP nomination.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
And the politicians are the right ones? I'd bet my bottom dollar no politician in either house understand science, economics, etc. enough to vote intelligently. I'm all for blowing up the whole thing and starting over. We need term limits for starters.
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They aren't the right ones either... but I get skittish about any group who feels its their own personal right to rule for our betterment. The problem is the arrogance.
 
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Wol4ine said:
This is why I hate ObamaCare. You mention some people can't afford health care, but then you say you wish someone would hamstring the insurance co's. Do insurance co's set the cost of health care?
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But it's the evil insurance companies that take people's money and turn that massive, obscene 2% profit!

And it's Medicare that states what they will pay providers, not private insurance companies.
 
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Handyman said:
In the history of this board I doubt if there has been truer words spoken. And it isnt just that they dont care about the people, they dont even care about the issues. all they care about is winning, which is why conservatives spend like crazy and liberals do nothing to promote freedoms when in power. It isnt about the message, it is about being the coolest guy on the block.

Whats even better is the few in each party that do actually adhere to what the party is supposed to stand for are usually branded as crackpots and shoved aside. Ask John McCain...it took him pulling a complete 180 to have any real shot at the GOP nomination.
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I'm gradually coming around to George Carlin's view of politicians and the idiots on both sides. He was more famous for laying into conservatives, but he slammed liberals too. He was right on both counts.
 
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I'm in a fun mood :cool:
 
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Patman said:
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I'm in a fun mood :cool:
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I also notice you live in virginia.

Just saying...
 
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Jon said:
I'm gradually coming around to George Carlin's view of politicians and the idiots on both sides. He was more famous for laying into conservatives, but he slammed liberals too. He was right on both counts.
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George thought they were all corrupt and in league with each other to screw us all...and he was right.

George Washington warned everyone about political parties...a true prophet he was.
 
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Jon said:
There are so many problems with MA that electing pointless Republicans every once in a while isn't solving anything. Both parties need to be annihilated and replaced with individuals who aren't more interested in their criminal business friends, lobbyists, random internet nutjobs (present company excepted), fetuses, insane religious freaks or smelly hippies to care about the actual people in this country.

W didn't care, McCain didn't care, kerry doesn't care, Coakley doesn't care, Brown doesn't care, and I"m 99.9% sure Obama doesn't either. **** politicians.
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So long as there are parties, so long as there are politicians with something to gain from the system, there will be those whose selfish desires draws them to the power of the Capitol.
George Washington's Farewell Address 1796 said:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

In contemplating the causes which may disturb our Union, it occurs as matter of serious concern that any ground should have been furnished for characterizing parties by geographical discriminations, Northern and Southern, Atlantic and Western; whence designing men may endeavor to excite a belief that there is a real difference of local interests and views. One of the expedients of party to acquire influence within particular districts is to misrepresent the opinions and aims of other districts. You cannot shield yourselves too much against the jealousies and heartburnings which spring from these misrepresentations; they tend to render alien to each other those who ought to be bound together by fraternal affection.
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ETA: Heh, it looks like Handy beat me to that Washington reference. He can do something right. :eek:
 
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do keith olberman and rachel madcow know they are jokes? they play their roles very well and all....
 
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Hey Clown, you posting that was well done it fits perfect with me referencing it 10 seconds before! A+ :)
 
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