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Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

Handyman said:
You cant be serious right? Were you living on Newt's lunar base throughout the entirety of the 2000s when the right did nothing but groupthink? either you are braindead or you are just trolling like a lesser Old Pio ;)

Both sides of the spectrum are braindead, anyone who tries to deny this should be Darwined out.
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Shut up, he explained.
 
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Priceless said:
There are plenty of things I can't imagine being possible that are not impossible. Like the Pittsburgh Pirates winning the World Series in October. Of course it's possible...just as it's possible you could be more than a concern troll pretending to be an open-minded liberal (who is also independent) who always tries to give the benefit of the doubt to the president. I give the Pirates slightly better odds.
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HEY :( :(

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FlagDUDE08 said:
I guess that's why Winston Churchill believed that they have no brain. It's because they don't. There's no thinking about beliefs for themselves, but rather being told what to believe and it has to be the same as everyone else in the party. They teach by not teaching, but instead showing them how to be yes men (or yes women). The right thinks for themselves. Obviously in a "two party system" that can be our downfall, as we have neocons, paleocons, libertarians, social conservatives, and so many other sects.
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What's really funny is that I wouldn't be surprised if you actually believe this nonsense.
 
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Priceless said:
...it's possible you could be an open-minded liberal (who is also independent)
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um, how would you describe a person who is inspired by Jefferson, Martin Luther King, Jr., and John Kennedy's rhetoric?

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... who always tries to give the benefit of the doubt to the president.
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Now that is a mischaracterization, you slander me sir!

I said that while initially I had hoped that Obama meant what he said, I soon discerned that he would say whatever he thought people wanted to hear. I do not trust him as a result, and am prone now to be suspicious of nearly everything he says he does, based solely upon empirical evidence when I compare what he said he would do to what he actually has done.

You ignore the evidence of your own senses; who knows why? It's not my position to speculate. Rather than evaluate what he says, you reflexively defend him even when he contradicts himself. I'm not willing to twist logic into pretzels to accomodate idolatry.

I distrust all career politicians of either party. I cannot be more clear when I say that I believe that a career politician -- any career politician -- can justify nearly anything in the name of getting re-elected. Some of them try to project a righteous persona because they calculate that will make them more appealing; some of them figure that, while a foolish consistency may be the hobgoblin of little minds, it makes it easy to do their job and makes them reliable and predictable. Whatever a career politician says or does is to advance him/herself in some way.

I do not "fault" them for that, because after all, that is human nature. Accepting and understanding human nature does not mean I will "approve" of what they do. I just say "be wary" whenever human beings are put in a position in which one group can tell another group what they "have" to do unless the latter group has recourse to protection and appeals.

A person who is against tyranny and centralized government control has been called a "liberal" since the days of the Declaration of Independence. If you think that "liberals" and "progressives" must automatically be allies in all situations, then I have news for you, while sometimes they have shared interest, more often they are at odds with each other.

You can see the seeds of this in high school: progressives are the ones that run for student council, liberals run the school newspaper.
 
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FreshFish said:
I distrust all career politicians of either party.
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And yet you only seem to post things critical of Democrats...guess there are no "career politicians" in the Republican party...
 
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FreshFish said:
um, how would you describe a person who is inspired by Jefferson, Martin Luther King, Jr., and John Kennedy's rhetoric?
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I liked Reagan quite a bit. McCain too. Heck toss in Nixon before the fall. Doesn't make me a card carrying elephant. You protest too much, sir and your rhetoric gives you away regarding where you stay at night.
 
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

I found a table that shows what income tax rates are currently, and to what level they are scheduled to increase in 2013.


Income level:

Over $388,350: 35% / 39.6%

$217,450-388,350: 33% / 36%

$142,700-217,450: 28% / 31%

$70,700-142,700: 25% / 28%

$17,400-70,700: 15% / 15%

Dividends: 15% / 43.4%

Capital gains: 15% / 23.8%

Estate tax: 35% / 55%


Notice that, on a percentage bases, the increases are higher as you move down the scale until you get to the lowest bracket. Or to paraphrase, when the existing tax rate structure was implemented, the tax cuts favored middle income people over highest income people.
 
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The partisanship on all of these boards ensures that people who are truly open minded go elsewhere. We who remain have declared our allegiances. I don't know why FF feels he has to hide that he drinks the righty Kool Aid. Maybe he's embarrassed. But from his posts he's obvious.

The only frequent poster on these threads who might actually change his vote depending on the candidate may be Scooby, who seems to treat the entire thing as a battle royale between Cthulhu and Yog-Sothoth. Everybody else is obvious in their red or blue leotard.
 
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Kepler said:
The only frequent poster on these threads who might actually change his vote depending on the candidate may be Scooby, who seems to treat the entire thing as a battle royale between Cthulhu and Yog-Sothoth. Everybody else is obvious in their red or blue leotard.
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Perhaps. I would have voted for Reagan in his 2nd term were I old enough (born in ’67), I've voted for a Bush, voted for Pawlenty once, voted for Coleman once, voted for Arne Carlson and I would have voted for McCain had he beat out Junior. I did vote for Obama last time, but and I am now considering a write-in. My posts may say otherwise at times - perhaps certain topics get my dander up more than others.
 
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"The fact that he keeps telling you he's not a pervert, means he's a pervert."

If I was a gambling man, I'd be putting money on Obama right now. For some reason confidence in his reelection has temporarily waned, to where he's about a 53% winner on Intrade. It's irrational pessimism, there's no way he loses come November.
(You're welcome.)
I will freely admit to being a Democratic, but not necessarily beyond 2012. The Republicans might field an actual conservative one day, then I'd have to switch again.

*likely due to a coincidence of items of bad news.
 
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had the exact opposite feeling than you Geezer. if I were betting I'd lay odds on Romney. disaster last two weeks for Obama. if Wisconsin and Michigan are truly "in play" states, electorally there is no way Obama wins. still early though. the Supremes health care ruling later this month will be big. and I'm getting the feeling even Dems aren't into Obama.
 
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

Hell, I'm pretty liberal at this point and voted for Abraham over Stabenow in '00, Fred Upton 2 of the last 3 times and Snyder in 2010.

I also vote for the Green Party, Communist party, Reform party and American Constitutional parties when I vote for trustees for Michigan, Michigan State and Wayne State.

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Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

walrus said:
You left out us Ron Paul whack jobs:)
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I was counting them as red, but I guess they get their own color. Whatever the von Mises Insitute's flag is, or the color of the inside of Murray Rothbard's rectum.

Aside: Murray Rothbard's Rectum is a good name for a band.
 
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Kepler said:
The partisanship on all of these boards ensures that people who are truly open minded go elsewhere. We who remain have declared our allegiances. I don't know why FF feels he has to hide that he drinks the righty Kool Aid. Maybe he's embarrassed. But from his posts he's obvious.

The only frequent poster on these threads who might actually change his vote depending on the candidate may be Scooby, who seems to treat the entire thing as a battle royale between Cthulhu and Yog-Sothoth. Everybody else is obvious in their red or blue leotard.
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Love Lovecraft.

I can say for 100% certainty that I will be voting for someone different this year than I did in 2008..
 
Re: Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

Kepler said:
The partisanship on all of these boards ensures that people who are truly open minded go elsewhere. We who remain have declared our allegiances. I don't know why FF feels he has to hide that he drinks the righty Kool Aid. Maybe he's embarrassed. But from his posts he's obvious.

The only frequent poster on these threads who might actually change his vote depending on the candidate may be Scooby, who seems to treat the entire thing as a battle royale between Cthulhu and Yog-Sothoth. Everybody else is obvious in their red or blue leotard.
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So impatience with stupidity and outrage over venality is now considered "partisan"? You have an "interesting" dictionary, my friend. :confused:
 
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