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Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

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I'm well aware of that, but these chairmen are generally vetted so well that their actions don't come as a big surprise to anyone in the White House.

Sure. But just like Supreme Court justices who don't quite pan out the way the White House wants (Mr. Warren comes to mind) Fed chairman can do whatever they want, especially when faced with unanticipated circumstances.
 
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Yeah, 53% to 47% "is" a mandate but 54% to 45% is "not" a mandate....

I believe the concept of mandates does not have to do with Presidential elections alone. It can be portrayed that Obama received a mandate not only because he won the Presidency, but his party then took control of both houses of Congress. Bush Jr. did not receive this until 2002, as he did not have a majority at the start of his term.
 
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Can't wait till Mitt gets elected and the economy gets fixed and the baby boomer bill disappears.
 
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That's complete bull. Dubya swaggered-chimped his way through his tax cuts and his wars. The refrain was "elections have consequences." Dude peacocked as if he had rolled up Reagan's EVs.

I don't know why, since I know you are no friend of him, but you're peddling pure revisionism.
I sure remember 2004 that way (the comment I specifically remember was, "I have political capital now, and I intend to spend it.") but I definitely do not remember any swagger during the first few months of 2001 - the dems still controlled Congress, etc. Are you sure that *your* memory isn't being tinged by the disappointment you must have been feeling at the time?

The way I recall it, he didn't start peacocking until after 9/11 when the groundswell of public sentiment would have allowed him to declare martial law, if he'd cared to do so. Up until that point, he looked like a scared little kid wearing his dad's suit.
 
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The CBO's long-term budget outlook notes that federal debt held by the public—the kind we have to pay back—will surge to 70% of the economy by the end of this year. That's the highest share of GDP in U.S. history except World War II, as the nearby chart indicates, higher than during the Civil War or World War I. It's also way up from 40% in 2008 and from the 40-year average of 38%.

And it's rising fast. CBO says that on present trend the national debt will hit 90% of GDP by 2022. It then balloons to 109% by 2026—that would be the all-time WWII peak—and approaches almost 200% of GDP by 2037.

It defintely needs to be curtailed. Perhaps not directly relavent, but I wonder what % of the GDP was being spent on the military in say 1944 compared with 2011.
 
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Some days I feel inquisitive, some days I feel grumpy, some days I feel reasonable, and every now and then I feel like being a troll....

Several weeks ago Mr. Obama focused his jobs argument on the company that Mr. Romney founded, Bain Capital. Employment growth is usually a byproduct of a firm's successful pursuit of profit. But it's become clear that even by the most conservative estimates, Bain has helped create more than 100,000 jobs by making companies grow.

This is especially embarrassing for the White House because, according to the seasonally adjusted jobs numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics in its household survey, 100,000 is the total net increase in U.S. jobs since January 2009 when Mr. Obama took office.

To appreciate how anemic this figure is, remember that there are more than 313 million Americans, and the U.S. population grows by more than two million people every year. So according to one government measure of job growth, the entire U.S. economy during the Obama Administration has not matched the business founded by Mitt Romney even three years after the recession ended.

Many economists put more stock in the government's so-called establishment survey. But that shows not a small gain but a decline of more than 550,000 jobs during the Obama era.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...550209666.html?mod=WSJ_article_MoreIn_Opinion
 
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So wait, when are you going to have one of those non-troll days? :p
 
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That's complete bull. Dubya swaggered-chimped his way through his tax cuts and his wars. The refrain was "elections have consequences." Dude peacocked as if he had rolled up Reagan's EVs.

I don't know why, since I know you are no friend of him, but you're peddling pure revisionism.

Plowing through unconstitutional Obummercare doesn't constitute a mandate. Right...
 
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What office is FreshFish running for? :confused:

I think Priceless was having a conversation with the voices in his head. He thinks I am a political partisan.

While it is true I am quite concerned about Obama's totalitarian impulses, that by itself does not make me affirmatively back Republicans, yet that distinction continues to escape him.

Most of my life I've been what once was called a centrist Democrat; however, with Joe Lieberman's retirement, since they have now all been expelled from the Democrat Party for heresy, that leaves me as an unaffiliated "independent" and he seems unable to accept that a person can criticize Obama without also necessarily being Republican.
 
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I think Priceless was having a conversation with the voices in his head. He thinks I am a political partisan.

While it is true I am quite concerned about Obama's totalitarian impulses, that by itself does not make me affirmatively back Republicans, yet that distinction continues to escape him.

Most of my life I've been what once was called a centrist Democrat; however, with Joe Lieberman's retirement, since they have now all been expelled from the Democrat Party for heresy, that leaves me as an unaffiliated "independent" and he seems unable to accept that a person can criticize Obama without also necessarily being Republican.
Yes, for some reason I refuse to believe that you are a "liberal" who is "trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt" considering that every post from you is a criticism not only of Obama, but Democrats in general. Consider also that your "sources" tend to be sites which have a certain tilt to them. It strains belief that you are an unaffiliated independent - especially when just a few weeks ago you described yourself as a liberal...

You are little more than a concern troll.
 
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for some reason I refuse to believe ....

Right, and since you cannot imagine it being possible, it must be impossible.

There are more things in heavan and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

I suppose now you will insist I source that quote, too? :p
 
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Nate Silver's first forecast up.

He has Obama 291-247, with a 61.8 percent chance of winning in November.
 
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I think Priceless was having a conversation with the voices in his head. He thinks I am a political partisan.

While it is true I am quite concerned about Obama's totalitarian impulses, that by itself does not make me affirmatively back Republicans, yet that distinction continues to escape him.

Most of my life I've been what once was called a centrist Democrat; however, with Joe Lieberman's retirement, since they have now all been expelled from the Democrat Party for heresy, that leaves me as an unaffiliated "independent" and he seems unable to accept that a person can criticize Obama without also necessarily being Republican.

I guess that's why Winston Churchill believed that they have no brain. It's because they don't. There's no thinking about beliefs for themselves, but rather being told what to believe and it has to be the same as everyone else in the party. They teach by not teaching, but instead showing them how to be yes men (or yes women). The right thinks for themselves. Obviously in a "two party system" that can be our downfall, as we have neocons, paleocons, libertarians, social conservatives, and so many other sects.
 
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Right, and since you cannot imagine it being possible, it must be impossible.

There are plenty of things I can't imagine being possible that are not impossible. Like the Pittsburgh Pirates winning the World Series in October. Of course it's possible...just as it's possible you could be more than a concern troll pretending to be an open-minded liberal (who is also independent) who always tries to give the benefit of the doubt to the president. I give the Pirates slightly better odds.
 
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Former Obama SecDef Bob Gates offers some advice to leakers. And even though he was not referring to the current tidal wave of politically motivated leaks, designed to make His Magnificentness look like Hasso von Manteuffel, I'm sure he would include them, too. I wonder where his Nobel Peace Prize is when he's in the oval, deciding who to zotz.



http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gates-national-security-team-osama-raid-shut-f_646731.html
 
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I guess that's why Winston Churchill believed that they have no brain. It's because they don't. There's no thinking about beliefs for themselves, but rather being told what to believe and it has to be the same as everyone else in the party. They teach by not teaching, but instead showing them how to be yes men (or yes women). The right thinks for themselves. Obviously in a "two party system" that can be our downfall, as we have neocons, paleocons, libertarians, social conservatives, and so many other sects.

You cant be serious right? Were you living on Newt's lunar base throughout the entirety of the 2000s when the right did nothing but groupthink? either you are braindead or you are just trolling like a lesser Old Pio ;)

Both sides of the spectrum are braindead, anyone who tries to deny this should be Darwined out.
 
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