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Elections 2012:What unites us is greater than what divides us

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"Only $15 a week?"

Is this a Shamwow commercial? While that amount isn't a lot to many posters here, "$60 a month" is going to sound like a lot to folks without insurance but more importantly to those can't even pay their light bill. Whether or not a significant number of voters will consider that a challenge to their voting thought process remains to be seen. But as someone that has no desire to vote Mitt, I'm befuddled so people assume this cannot be harmful to Obama come November (yes I've heard of Romneycare ).
 
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Priceless said:
I suppose only liberals consider his desegregation of the old Confederacy an achievement. For conservatives it was a monumental setback...
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Actually, LBJ did the legislative heavy lifting with the Civil Rights Act of '64 and the Voting Rights Act of '65. And in '57, Ike sent the 101st Airborne into Little Rock, Arkansas, to integrate Central H.S., a fact which somehow slipped your mind in your JFK hagiography.
 
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mookie1995 said:
i can think of one liberal who considers jfk's banging of marilyn monroe to be his crowning achievement. :p
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Shagging the almost certainly an East German spy Ellen Rometsch would be a close second. And knocking boots with Chicago mob gal Judith Campbell Exner comes in third.
 
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Old Pio said:
Actually, LBJ did the legislative heavy lifting with the Civil Rights Act of '64 and the Voting Rights Act of '65. And in '57, Ike sent the 101st Airborne into Little Rock, Arkansas, to integrate Central H.S., a fact which somehow slipped your mind in your JFK hagiography.
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Three of the very greatest. With the politics of today, its hard to imagine we'll see this level of executive again.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."
 
Slap Shot said:
"Only $15 a week?"

Is this a Shamwow commercial? While that amount isn't a lot to many posters here, "$60 a month" is going to sound like a lot to folks without insurance but more importantly to those can't even pay their light bill. Whether or not a significant number of voters will consider that a challenge to their voting thought process remains to be seen. But as someone that has no desire to vote Mitt, I'm befuddled so people assume this cannot be harmful to Obama come November (yes I've heard of Romneycare ).
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Is this supposed to be free?
 
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Slap Shot said:
"Only $15 a week?"

Is this a Shamwow commercial? While that amount isn't a lot to many posters here, "$60 a month" is going to sound like a lot to folks without insurance but more importantly to those can't even pay their light bill. Whether or not a significant number of voters will consider that a challenge to their voting thought process remains to be seen. But as someone that has no desire to vote Mitt, I'm befuddled so people assume this cannot be harmful to Obama come November (yes I've heard of Romneycare ).
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According to Michael Savage, it's double that; the tax is supposed to be $1500.
 
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It's not a flat #. It's a percentage of income, below a certain point you don't pay anything, below another higher point, they're subsidizing part of the insurance costs.
 
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bronconick said:
It's not a flat #. It's a percentage of income, below a certain point you don't pay anything, below another higher point, they're subsidizing part of the insurance costs.
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Actually, we're both correct. It's "either, either, or the other" (quotation attributed to Bob Barker), similar to how the Income Tax works in the board game Monopoly. http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/...c11355/individual_mandate_penalties-04-22.pdf Paragraph 1.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Three of the very greatest. With the politics of today, its hard to imagine we'll see this level of executive again.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."
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Why am I not surprised that you and Oliver Stone find this the most important quote from a 5-star general who commanded the largest amphibious operation in the history of the world, beat Hitler and spent two terms in the White House? Never mind that quoting it now is badly out of context and indicative of a certain persistent paranoia. You and Oliver deserve one another.
 
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Old Pio said:
Why am I not surprised that you and Oliver Stone find this the most important quote from a 5-star general who commanded the largest amphibious operation in the history of the world, beat Hitler and spent two terms in the White House?
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Of course, I never said that it was his most important quote. But why am I not surpised that you downplay it?

Does it not seem like it was important to him...seeing as it was only the final major culmination speech of his entire career?

Was it that Ike just wouldn't know about such matters?

Ya know, I really don't care why you feel his opinion is invalid...further evidence that today's right is off the charts compared to any president we had in the 20th century. But if it makes you feel better...it looks like you've successfully second guessed Eisenhower on military matters.
 
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Considering Ike left General Marshall (one of the great men of the 20th Century) twisting in the wind and supported McCarthy when he attacked Marshall for being incompetent I would say Ike's opinion on anything post WWII is pretty much worthless.
 
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Handyman said:
...I would say Ike's opinion on anything post WWII is pretty much worthless.
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Little suprised at all the right/left hate on a moderate Ike (he is consistently considered a top 10 president based on tangible accomplishments).

It just goes to show how so many are leaping off the ends of the spectrum.
 
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One thing I will give knuckledraggers credit for is how they all hit the same theme on the same day. Is there a Fox news e-mail that gets sent out to you all with a couple of talking points or something? I mean, its not like conservatives would ever download editorials off the RNC website, sign their names to them and then submit them to local papers as if its their own words....

Anywho, allow me to slap down the argument du jour. The notion that people will calculate that its cheaper to not get insurance and pay the tax. This is stupid for several reasons. First, you get jack if you pay the tax. If you pay for healthcare, there is an actual benefit to you, which is coverage. So, the calculation isn't between paying taxes and paying insurance. The calculation is between how much you value the benefits that insurance gives you vs paying a tax to give other people insurance while you get nothing.

Next is the "food on the table or healthcare" theme. The vast, vast majority of people having trouble putting food on the table are going to get Medicaid coverage anyway, so that fear is nonsense. If getting insurance cuts into your beer money, or cell phone service money, so be it.

Finally, as I've again brought up but knucks' have wimpily ignored, there is already a test case for this effort. IF ditching health insurance and paying the fine instead was such as swell idea, why haven't the citizens of Massachusetts, the same people that gave the country Senator Scott Brown, done so in droves? If any state would do that, a relatively wealthy one should be most inclined to do so. Yet they haven't, so what gives?
 
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Rover said:
One thing I will give knuckledraggers credit for is how they all hit the same theme on the same day. Is there a Fox news e-mail that gets sent out to you all with a couple of talking points or something? I mean, its not like conservatives would ever download editorials off the RNC website, sign their names to them and then submit them to local papers as if its their own words....

Anywho, allow me to slap down the argument du jour. The notion that people will calculate that its cheaper to not get insurance and pay the tax. This is stupid for several reasons. First, you get jack if you pay the tax. If you pay for healthcare, there is an actual benefit to you, which is coverage. So, the calculation isn't between paying taxes and paying insurance. The calculation is between how much you value the benefits that insurance gives you vs paying a tax to give other people insurance while you get nothing.

Next is the "food on the table or healthcare" theme. The vast, vast majority of people having trouble putting food on the table are going to get Medicaid coverage anyway, so that fear is nonsense. If getting insurance cuts into your beer money, or cell phone service money, so be it.

Finally, as I've again brought up but knucks' have wimpily ignored, there is already a test case for this effort. IF ditching health insurance and paying the fine instead was such as swell idea, why haven't the citizens of Massachusetts, the same people that gave the country Senator Scott Brown, done so in droves? If any state would do that, a relatively wealthy one should be most inclined to do so. Yet they haven't, so what gives?
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Are you American or retarded?

Insurance Acceptance clause.
 
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