Elections 2012: Congressional and Gubernatorial

[LynahFan]

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Nothing shows her getting ahead by claiming an Indian heritige so if you have proof please provide.

Sorry, but your bias is clouding your judgment on this one. The action should be judged on its own merits, not the results. If I drive drunk but don't cause an accident, it is still wrong. Surely you must agree that it is not good for society for people to be going around lying about their minority status, whether or not this one particular person "got ahead."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Somebody brought up a good point about Akin, which was its not so much what he's already said that worries the national party, its what he might say after they decide to reverse course and back him. The big mistake here was Rove pulling his $$$ out. The RNC is nuts getting involved here, but a nameless, faceless SuperPAC would be as effective but with plausible deniability when people tried to link Akin to the Republican party.

RNC is fully supporting Akin. That means they support his views and everything he says.

 

[Rover]

Sorry, but your bias is clouding your judgment on this one. The action should be judged on its own merits, not the results. If I drive drunk but don't cause an accident, it is still wrong. Surely you must agree that it is not good for society for people to be going around lying about their minority status, whether or not this one particular person "got ahead."

Lynah I'm sorry but I think this whole thing is ridiculous. Do I think she should list herself as a Native American? No, as she'd be a pretty diluted one (can I say that?). However, I find the notion that white-as-a-ghost Liz Warren claiming Indian ancestory got ahead in her career as schools used that to tout their diversity is absurd. Frankly I didn't even know Native Americans were considered minorities, and in fact there's no indication that she claimed herself as a minority.

What I do think is this tactic is being overused to appeal to a segment of the population who considers all minorities to be gaming the system through preferential hiring. Think of the old Jesse Helms ads. I didn't think that at first as it just seemed like a "gotcha" moment that candidates throw back and forth at each other during the silly season. Its gotten a lot darker, if you'll pardon the expression, now.

I myself have a simlar Indian heritage lore story, as my 90 year old grandmother remembers her great grandmother being an Indian (from Quebec). Even have a picture of her at age 100 dressed up in what would appear to be authentic garb. Problem is, if you asked me to prove this, I'd be at a loss. She was listed as "French" in census records, not as part of a tribe. She also has a French name as the tribe was converted a century before this person was born. I don't think my family are liars because they don't have something from the Bureau of Indian Affairs verifying the story.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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C'Mon, Rover. Elizabeth Warren clearly got everything she has because she rode the minority gravy train. You know it, I know it.

 

[Rover]

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One more thing. The attacks on her about working for corporations are entirely legitimate and frankly will most likely end up being a lot more effective. That's smart politics. Maybe it is my partisan leanings but I've seen Republicans play this game too many times to not smell a rat on the minority issue.

 

[FreshFish]

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There is a candidate running for Congress here whose ads are so sleazy I want to take a shower every time they come on.

In part of her ad, she cites the Wall St. Journal as a source, yet I read the article and it said exactly the opposite!

"My opponent's plan will increase taxes on the middle class" -- Wall St. Journal

Actual Wall St. Journal article: "Those claims are based on a Tax Policy Institute study that has since been discredited as being flawed both in assumptions and in methodology."

ych.

 

[FreshFish]

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It looks like Elizabeth "Oops" Warren just can't help herself. Is she trying out for a secondary career as the Sarah Palin of the left?

You'd think by now that before telling a story she'd at least research it first, anticipating that anything she says now is going to be double-checked....

Boston — Fauxcahontas put up a new TV ad this week. In it, Liz Warren shares the pain her supposed Indian heritage has caused — why, her parents had to elope because her dad’s family didn’t want their son marrying a girl with Indian blood.

Huh. Twila Barnes, an indefatigable Cherokee genealogist, dug up the 1932 wedding notice in the Oklahoma papers. Warren’s folks got hitched in a large Protestant church 20 miles away, then drove right back to their hometown of Wetumka.

A wedding party was held that evening; Mrs. Warren’s mom’s best friend was a witness. Some elopement.

-- Howie Carr, Boston Herald

I get the sense Mr Carr doesn't like Ms Warren very much......

 

[Old Pio]

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Lynah I'm sorry but I think this whole thing is ridiculous. Do I think she should list herself as a Native American? No, as she'd be a pretty diluted one (can I say that?). However, I find the notion that white-as-a-ghost Liz Warren claiming Indian ancestory got ahead in her career as schools used that to tout their diversity is absurd. Frankly I didn't even know Native Americans were considered minorities, and in fact there's no indication that she claimed herself as a minority.

What I do think is this tactic is being overused to appeal to a segment of the population who considers all minorities to be gaming the system through preferential hiring. Think of the old Jesse Helms ads. I didn't think that at first as it just seemed like a "gotcha" moment that candidates throw back and forth at each other during the silly season. Its gotten a lot darker, if you'll pardon the expression, now.

I myself have a simlar Indian heritage lore story, as my 90 year old grandmother remembers her great grandmother being an Indian (from Quebec). Even have a picture of her at age 100 dressed up in what would appear to be authentic garb. Problem is, if you asked me to prove this, I'd be at a loss. She was listed as "French" in census records, not as part of a tribe. She also has a French name as the tribe was converted a century before this person was born. I don't think my family are liars because they don't have something from the Bureau of Indian Affairs verifying the story.

Nobody in your family is running for the United States senate, claiming Indian ancestry as part of their CV. Nobody in your family checked the "minority" box on a hiring form, and didn't correct the record for over a decade. Nobody in your family had herself listed in a directory of "minority" lawyers. Nobody in your family created a situation which lead to America's most prestigious law school to congratulate itself on a "minority" hire. Her colleagues and students all understood her to be of "Indian" ancestry. Probably because Harvard's PR people and "The Crimson" all trumpeted her as a "minority" hire. It took her a decade to tell the truth.

This business of who's an Indian can be very tricky, I'll admit. Especially since some of the tribes are doing very well financially these days, and would-be tribal members are coming out of the woodwork. But is it really asking too much to demand that a lawyer, prospective faculty member at Harvard Law, who's claiming Indian heritage, to check it out with the relevant tribe? The lady is running for the Senate. There should be some standards.

The question of whether she made these claims to enhance her chances of being hired and of gaining tenure at Harvard is open. We may never know for sure. Based on the available evidence, however, it seems more likely than not that she was gaming the system. And her excuses, particularly the one claiming she engaged in this deception to widen her circle of friends and lunch companions, don't pass the laugh test.

Helms is an interesting case. He did employ the famous TV spot with the white hands crumpling a rejection letter with the voice over talking about a less qualified minority getting the job. On the other hand, in one of his runs for the Senate old Jesse saw that he needed some black votes, and make a specific, serious pitch to black voters. It worked.

 

[walrus]

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I get the sense Mr Carr doesn't like Ms Warren very much......

www.howiecarr.us. His radio show is a hoot, I'm sure the pinkos on here think he is the devil himself.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'd say that comment was more of a reflection on those who will vote a straight party ticket, or against all incumbents.

An additional consideration would be a black judge declaring certain inner city precints should stay open longer (gotta give 'em time to round up the derelicts).

 

[FreshFish]

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An additional consideration would be a black judge declaring certain inner city precints should stay open longer (gotta give 'em time to round up the derelicts).

Now, now, no need to be like that... what happened in Bridgeport Ct in 2010 was an inspiring example of the Rainbow Coalition in action, the SEIU carpooled plenty of people to the polls after 8 PM regardless of race color ethnicity or gender...

 

[Kepler]

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www.howiecarr.us. His radio show is a hoot, I'm sure the pinkos on here think he is the devil himself.

From my years in Boston I only remember two things about Carr:

1. He created a cottage industry writing articles and books and doing radio specials about Whitey.

2. He and Mike Barnicle had a hysterically petty and vicious public beef that ran on for years and was like watching the Special Olympics and made them both the joke of the city.

 

[Old Pio]

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Now, now, no need to be like that... what happened in Bridgeport Ct in 2010 was an inspiring example of the Rainbow Coalition in action, the SEIU carpooled plenty of people to the polls after 8 PM regardless of race color ethnicity or gender...

I was referring to what went on in St. Louis, (in '04?) which is a Democrat cesspool. You d*mn skippy I want to "suppress" votes there.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Nobody in your family is running for the United States senate, claiming Indian ancestry as part of their CV. Nobody in your family checked the "minority" box on a hiring form, and didn't correct the record for over a decade. Nobody in your family had herself listed in a directory of "minority" lawyers. Nobody in your family created a situation which lead to America's most prestigious law school to congratulate itself on a "minority" hire. Her colleagues and students all understood her to be of "Indian" ancestry. Probably because Harvard's PR people and "The Crimson" all trumpeted her as a "minority" hire. It took her a decade to tell the truth.

This business of who's an Indian can be very tricky, I'll admit. Especially since some of the tribes are doing very well financially these days, and would-be tribal members are coming out of the woodwork. But is it really asking too much to demand that a lawyer, prospective faculty member at Harvard Law, who's claiming Indian heritage, to check it out with the relevant tribe? The lady is running for the Senate. There should be some standards.

The question of whether she made these claims to enhance her chances of being hired and of gaining tenure at Harvard is open. We may never know for sure. Based on the available evidence, however, it seems more likely than not that she was gaming the system. And her excuses, particularly the one claiming she engaged in this deception to widen her circle of friends and lunch companions, don't pass the laugh test.

Helms is an interesting case. He did employ the famous TV spot with the white hands crumpling a rejection letter with the voice over talking about a less qualified minority getting the job. On the other hand, in one of his runs for the Senate old Jesse saw that he needed some black votes, and make a specific, serious pitch to black voters. It worked.

Ach mein Gott (my anti-Latin)! I agree with almost all of this.

 

[walrus]

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From my years in Boston I only remember two things about Carr:

1. He created a cottage industry writing articles and books and doing radio specials about Whitey.

2. He and Mike Barnicle had a hysterically petty and vicious public beef that ran on for years and was like watching the Special Olympics and made them both the joke of the city.

He still makes a living off Whitey. Barnicle left town so thats over. Now he harps on Lyawatha.

 

[walrus]

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C'Mon, Rover. Elizabeth Warren clearly got everything she has because she rode the minority gravy train. You know it, I know it.

Like I said, one the beautiful people so it doesn't matter how much she lies as long as that D is after her name

 

[Kepler]

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Barnicle left town so thats over.

Mike Barnicle can exist outside of Boston? That's like imagining Woody Allen trying to breath the air outside the Upper East Side.

 

[Kepler]

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Going by the RCP poll of polls we may be hardening into the final EV count. Romney has a firewall that will keep him from losing any more states. MO and AZ are both Romney +7.3, and they are the closest Obama is to picking off more EV (not counting NE-2 which I can't find data on, but which is supposed to be safely R after redistricting).

So, Obama is at his upper bound, 347, even if he continues to slowly improve.

Romney needs to move 79 EV from there to win, but Obama is still pulling away albeit more slowly in the swing states.

Margin, State, EV, Cum EV

1.1 NC (15)
2.9 CO (9) (24)
3.0 NH (4) (28)
3.2 FL (29) (57)
3.6 IA (6) (63)
3.7 VA (13) (76)
3.8 NV (6) (82)

Every other state is > 5.0.

So there are the seven states Romney needs. Interestingly it's also a path without OH, which is at 5.4 and pulling away. That's what happens when 75% of a state's auto parts suppliers have direct contractual links with companies Mitt wanted to go bankrupt.

The two big spikes in the 538 probability chart are at 347 and 332 (if NC slides). The likelihood of an Obama win is now above 82% and the "now cast" of what the final popular vote would be if the election were today is up to 52.2 to 46.8 (5.4%) and widening.

This is now a 3-possession game early in the fourth quarter, with each debate a chance for either Romney to score a TD or Obama to grind down the clock.

A pollster put it this was on POTUS yesterday: Romney still has a possibility of winning, but statistically it is the same possibility of Obama winning in a landslide (i.e., +10% popular vote).

 

[walrus]

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Mike Barnicle can exist outside of Boston? That's like imagining Woody Allen trying to breath the air outside the Upper East Side.

He may still be in Boston but his plagiarism killed his column in the Globe so he doesn't have the exposure he used to have. I think he might be on tv ? Some pinko station so we know no one watches

 

[Rover]

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I'm not saying Warren should be claiming Native American ancestory, but this story is played out. It reminds me of Aqua Buddha and that college thesis Bob McDonnell wrote 30 years ago. In both cases the Dem candidate was running on these issues right up to election day, and its like "ya got anything else for me?"

I'm all for gotcha moments that make the other person look bad. However, if Mitt Romney was running ads today about Obama saying 57 states I would think even people who were rooting for him would be horrified...not because they didn't think it was funny but because some trivial issues don't deserve to be the basis of your campaign. I'm all for Brownie keeping up with this. It makes him look like a juvenile petty idiot, sorta like his war whooping, tomahawk chopping staffers. Why exactly should we give Brown 6 more years? Because us MA residents are dying for an Itch McConnell run Senate? Because he modeled in his skivvies 30 years ago (although to be fair that seems to be a selling point for a lot of male conservatives)? So his no-talent daughter can continue her singing career instead of getting a real job and getting off his insurance which is only possible due to the ACA law he so opposes? Brown needs to answer these questions and fast because the race is trending away from him at this point.