Ebola - all or nothing?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Ebola - all or nothing?

I love how we have to start with the premise, "We're all going to die from Ebola." and then move on from there.

It's the same thing as we're all going to die from Islamofascists coming over the border.

Meanwhile the big majority of the real killers, cancer and heart disease go free.

 

[Handyman]

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That was the one with the Palestinian journo, right?

The middle panelist is usually the idiot, but that woman did hold her own. I actually would like to hear her debate Maher on this, but that was not the forum.

Actually it used to be the closest to Bill was the idiot...now they shift it.

I usually like her when she is on the show but she is way off base in pretty much everything she said. Bill wasnt going to Berkeley to debate he was giving commencement. The topic of the Muslims probably wasnt on his agenda. He also isnt a bigot, he just thinks the "there are a billion Muslims and only the minority are out for blood" is a copout which it is. She doesnt want a debate no matter what she says...

Any new deaths in this rabid onslaught of the prey disease? Has America declared martial law because the system has broken down over all the deaths?

 

[Kepler]

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Actually it used to be the closest to Bill was the idiot...now they shift it.

I've only been watching the past season.

The lineup in the episodes I've watched is typically:

Left chair: Relatively obscure pundit or writer pimping a book
Center chair: Public figure / major pundit / actor / somebody else whose opinion you don't care about
Right chair: Friends of Bill who appear regularly on the show

There was a stretch where the center was always a Foxian blonde who was the sole woman on the panel, and she was also always an idiot; that made my wife extremely angry.

Haven't seen Coulter on in a while. Her friendship with Maher is one reason why I think Anne C. has no actual political beliefs and has just been taking the herpa-derps' money and laughing in their faces. Still can't stand her, though -- all I can say is better their side than ours. (We have our own copy in DWS.)

 

[unofan]

I've only been watching the past season.

The lineup in the episodes I've watched is typically:

Left chair: Relatively obscure pundit or writer pimping a book
Center chair: Public figure / major pundit / actor / somebody else whose opinion you don't care about
Right chair: Friends of Bill who appear regularly on the show

There was a stretch where the center was always a Foxian blonde who was the sole woman on the panel, and she was also always an idiot; that made my wife extremely angry.

Haven't seen Coulter on in a while. Her friendship with Maher is one reason why I think Anne C. has no actual political beliefs and has just been taking the herpa-derps' money and laughing in their faces. Still can't stand her, though -- all I can say is better their side than ours. (We have our own copy in DWS.)

Can never remember if it's Coulter or Ingraham that's a Dead Head and is clearly just a professional troll. I think it's Coulter.

 

[Kepler]

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Can never remember if it's Coulter or Ingraham that's a Dead Head and is clearly just a professional troll. I think it's Coulter.

I think Ingraham believes her crap. She's getting just as rich as Coulter, though. There's gold in them thar herps.

 

[wolverineTrumpet]

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I don't know or care what her motivations are here. I just know she should be quarantined...

How do you know this? Perhaps she knows that she hasn't shown symptoms of the disease and is therefore not contagious. Maybe as a medical professional she trusts herself to properly monitor her health for signs of ebola.

If we as a country feel it is ok or even necessary to quarantine individuals who may have been exposed to Ebola but show now symptoms of the disease, why don't we impose quarantines on people that actually are ill? An estimated 23,000 Americans die from the flu each year (I've read estimates of 4,000-36,000 depending on the year but 23,000 on average). Why don't we quarantine people with the flu? It is more contangious and more Americans die from it.


If we're going to call someone a horrible person for going about her day when she isn't even sick, then we need to start calling all the people that go to work when they are sick horrible people as well. I've had plenty of coworkers who don't want to use a vacation/sick day when they are ill, so they come to work and a week later half of the people at work are sick. I'd just like to point out that all of those people are significantly more pretentious (saving their vacation days is more important than the health of their coworkers) than an asymptomatic person.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I think Ingraham believes her crap. She's getting just as rich as Coulter, though. There's gold in them thar herps.

I wish I had been smart enough to make money that way. Charisma score, that's where it's at. I rolled a 4 and I needed a 16.

 

[Gurtholfin]

I wish I had been smart enough to make money that way. Charisma score, that's where it's at. I rolled a 4 and I needed a 16.

Are you a nerd for saying that or am I a nerd for knowing what you're talking about?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Are you a nerd for saying that or am I a nerd for knowing what you're talking about?

Both.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Ebola - all or nothing?

None of the television politico talking heads believe their spewage*. I figured that out long, long ago, when I found out Mary Matalin and James Carville are married.

* (c) 2014, The Sicatoka

 

[Priceless]

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Wouldn't be your first time

Yes, it's my fault the media was fooled by a false story and I repeated it. What an unforgivable mistake.

 

[Old Pio]

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How do you know this? Perhaps she knows that she hasn't shown symptoms of the disease and is therefore not contagious. Maybe as a medical professional she trusts herself to properly monitor her health for signs of ebola.

If we as a country feel it is ok or even necessary to quarantine individuals who may have been exposed to Ebola but show now symptoms of the disease, why don't we impose quarantines on people that actually are ill? An estimated 23,000 Americans die from the flu each year (I've read estimates of 4,000-36,000 depending on the year but 23,000 on average). Why don't we quarantine people with the flu? It is more contangious and more Americans die from it.


If we're going to call someone a horrible person for going about her day when she isn't even sick, then we need to start calling all the people that go to work when they are sick horrible people as well. I've had plenty of coworkers who don't want to use a vacation/sick day when they are ill, so they come to work and a week later half of the people at work are sick. I'd just like to point out that all of those people are significantly more pretentious (saving their vacation days is more important than the health of their coworkers) than an asymptomatic person.

All people in her circumstances should be quarantined. It's a matter of prudence and nothing else. Just like our GIs returning from the hot zones will be quarantined. And she's a g.d. nurse for cripe's sake. Let's not give too much cachet to her medical training. Dr. Spencer in NY was also asymptomatic and went bowling and subway riding. Then he became symptomatic. Oops. Why do her rights need protecting but not the rights of people she'll come in contact with? Oh, right, she's a special person, with special rights because she's worked in Ebola hot zones. Give her a Nobel Prize. After she's stayed indoors for 21 days. It won't be like being interrogated by Savak.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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You keep worrying about Ebola, Opie.

I'll worry about stuff that may actually kill me someday.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Ebola - all or nothing?

You keep worrying about Ebola, Opie.

I'll worry about stuff that may actually kill me someday.

Canine distemper?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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All people in her circumstances should be quarantined. It's a matter of prudence and nothing else. Just like our GIs returning from the hot zones will be quarantined. And she's a g.d. nurse for cripe's sake. Let's not give too much cachet to her medical training. Dr. Spencer in NY was also asymptomatic and went bowling and subway riding. Then he became symptomatic. Oops. Why do her rights need protecting but not the rights of people she'll come in contact with? Oh, right, she's a special person, with special rights because she's worked in Ebola hot zones. Give her a Nobel Prize. After she's stayed indoors for 21 days. It won't be like being interrogated by Savak.

Color me shocked that you didn't bother to respond to the points that were made.

 

[Old Pio]

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You keep worrying about Ebola, Opie.

I'll worry about stuff that may actually kill me someday.

The threat from Ebola has been shamelessly hyped by the same people who shamelessly hype nearly everything else (like "racism" in Ferguson, for instance). Nevertheless, it's a problem with which we're dealing and will have to deal going forward. Notwithstanding your customary ad hominem defensive crouch.

 

[Old Pio]

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Color me shocked that you didn't bother to respond to the points that were made.

Influenza and URI's are not the same as Ebola. I erroneously assumed even you would know that.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Ebola - all or nothing?

Color me shocked that you didn't bother to respond to the points that were made.

I'll respond.

First, I'm not in favor of the quarantines. I am still in the camp that believes the risk of ebola in this country right now is extremely minute. But I also believe the hysteria calling for extensive quarantines is equally matched by the hysteria proclaiming some sort of concerted effort to engage in mass suppression of constitutional rights.

As for WT's response, and the points raised.

First, we aren't talking about the flu. If we want to talk about whether flu sufferers should be quarantined, fine. But right now we are talking about ebola, and what steps should be taken with respect to those people who are either working around infected people, or traveling in areas where substantial outbreaks have occurred. Correctly pointing out we don't quarantine flu sufferers or other people who have general illnesses isn't much of a response to the question should we have some sort of ebola quarantine policy.

Second, flu and ebola are substantially different. No doubt thousands of people die from flu each year. But a couple of points. First, I suspect the vast majority of those have underlying issues. They may be the very young or very old or have other vulnerabilities. I'm not sure that ebola is that discriminatory.

Third, we just don't know that much about ebola, except that it is extremely lethal. We don't have near the experience with it that we have with illnesses like the flu, or a variety of other illnesses that can kill.

Fourth, there is a vaccination process to provide some protection against the flu. Again, I'm not aware of a similar protection against ebola.

I reiterate. I personally have zero fear I will be infected with ebola. I have no concern with flying on planes that travel through Maine, or Dallas or New York.

But I also recognize that our understanding of ebola, our experience with ebola, our ability to treat ebola, is extraordinarily limited. And given its lethal nature, I don't think it's a bad idea to have quarantine discussions.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Second, flu and ebola are substantially different. No doubt thousands of people die from flu each year. But a couple of points. First, I suspect the vast majority of those have underlying issues. They may be the very young or very old or have other vulnerabilities. I'm not sure that ebola is that discriminatory.

So, people with existing underlying issues don't deserve the same protections as some would suggest are needed for all of us from people who don't actually have ebola or haven't shown symptoms?

People with such underlying conditions view the flu as a real life-threatening risk.


I'm not in favor of the state mandated isolating of people who have the flu, but I don't think you can separate ebola from the conversation simply because it's the virus du jour.

 

[trixR4kids]

How do you know this? Perhaps she knows that she hasn't shown symptoms of the disease and is therefore not contagious. Maybe as a medical professional she trusts herself to properly monitor her health for signs of ebola.

If we as a country feel it is ok or even necessary to quarantine individuals who may have been exposed to Ebola but show now symptoms of the disease, why don't we impose quarantines on people that actually are ill? An estimated 23,000 Americans die from the flu each year (I've read estimates of 4,000-36,000 depending on the year but 23,000 on average). Why don't we quarantine people with the flu? It is more contangious and more Americans die from it.


If we're going to call someone a horrible person for going about her day when she isn't even sick, then we need to start calling all the people that go to work when they are sick horrible people as well. I've had plenty of coworkers who don't want to use a vacation/sick day when they are ill, so they come to work and a week later half of the people at work are sick. I'd just like to point out that all of those people are significantly more pretentious (saving their vacation days is more important than the health of their coworkers) than an asymptomatic person.

Well Fox News didn't really mention all that stuff...