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Ebola - all or nothing?
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MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
hockeyplayer1015
Capt
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
It's times like these I'm glad I work away from all civilization with just 5-6 others for 8 months out of the year.
It's times like these I'm glad I work away from all civilization with just 5-6 others for 8 months out of the year.
Spartanforlife4
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Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
I'm just worried about it mutating. But I just read an article that was a Q&A with a top scientist who said that when the flu becomes more airborne it actually becomes less virulent, so it's actually less potent because the viral concentration is lower, so mutating to become airborne may not be the end of the world.
I'm just worried about it mutating. But I just read an article that was a Q&A with a top scientist who said that when the flu becomes more airborne it actually becomes less virulent, so it's actually less potent because the viral concentration is lower, so mutating to become airborne may not be the end of the world.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
I wonder if they were thinking like that in 1917-1918 when the world was battling the so called Spanish Flu? We've come a long way in the last 100 years of medicine but there are infectious agents that are still well beyond our ability to treat them. We have to control them and isolate them and contain them because bed rest, fluids and supportive treatment may just not be enough. Perhaps the saving grace with Ebola is that so far, it seems a bit more difficult to catch than other viruses. If it had the same contagion rate as, let's say, measles(back before the vaccines), I shudder to think of the death totals. If it even had the contagion rate and transmissability of the influenza viruses, we would no longer be talking about overpopulation in the world. In this country we tend to dismiss the flu as just a winter illness that some people get. The immunizations have indeed helped with that. But most years we have 30.000 - 60,000 deaths attributable to flu virus in the US and that is one of the infectious agents that we have had fairly good success with. I do not think that most are over reacting to the dangers of Ebola. I wish we had more honest and scientific information about it. I know the media(and the government) keep pushing this 21 day time frame of contagion but I honestly do not think they really know. There have been reports in the past that men who have survived the initial attack still secrete the virus in their semen for over 70 days. Not sure if that is significant but I am also not sure if other organs can sustain this organism and produce some sort of carrier state(think Typhoid Mary of the early 1900's). if that turns out to be the case, we may not be looking at the end of the beginning with this disease, we may be looking at the beginning of the end for a lot of people. As of now, I just am treating this still as a great unknown-we simply do not have enough valid experience and information about it and how this virus reacts over time. I certainly would not panic, but i would also most certainly be taking evry precaution necessary so as not to look back and say we blew our only opportunity for containment and control. Just my own medical opinion.
I wonder if they were thinking like that in 1917-1918 when the world was battling the so called Spanish Flu? We've come a long way in the last 100 years of medicine but there are infectious agents that are still well beyond our ability to treat them. We have to control them and isolate them and contain them because bed rest, fluids and supportive treatment may just not be enough. Perhaps the saving grace with Ebola is that so far, it seems a bit more difficult to catch than other viruses. If it had the same contagion rate as, let's say, measles(back before the vaccines), I shudder to think of the death totals. If it even had the contagion rate and transmissability of the influenza viruses, we would no longer be talking about overpopulation in the world. In this country we tend to dismiss the flu as just a winter illness that some people get. The immunizations have indeed helped with that. But most years we have 30.000 - 60,000 deaths attributable to flu virus in the US and that is one of the infectious agents that we have had fairly good success with. I do not think that most are over reacting to the dangers of Ebola. I wish we had more honest and scientific information about it. I know the media(and the government) keep pushing this 21 day time frame of contagion but I honestly do not think they really know. There have been reports in the past that men who have survived the initial attack still secrete the virus in their semen for over 70 days. Not sure if that is significant but I am also not sure if other organs can sustain this organism and produce some sort of carrier state(think Typhoid Mary of the early 1900's). if that turns out to be the case, we may not be looking at the end of the beginning with this disease, we may be looking at the beginning of the end for a lot of people. As of now, I just am treating this still as a great unknown-we simply do not have enough valid experience and information about it and how this virus reacts over time. I certainly would not panic, but i would also most certainly be taking evry precaution necessary so as not to look back and say we blew our only opportunity for containment and control. Just my own medical opinion.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
It might be dumb to ignore it as much as we've ignored the measles making a comeback...
It might be dumb to ignore it as much as we've ignored the measles making a comeback...
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Who is "ignoring it"? Good lord, this is such a false choice.
Who is "ignoring it"? Good lord, this is such a false choice.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
The glee with which the far right is actively rooting for a public health disaster is amazing. Anything in the service of your politics. People die? So what -- it will help with the midterms.
The glee with which the far right is actively rooting for a public health disaster is amazing. Anything in the service of your politics. People die? So what -- it will help with the midterms.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Glee? This coming from the guy who said Texas deserves an outbreak of Ebola, TF I think the CDC was unprepared and would have been if either party was in power hence the good job Brownie comment.
Glee? This coming from the guy who said Texas deserves an outbreak of Ebola, TF I think the CDC was unprepared and would have been if either party was in power hence the good job Brownie comment.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Either you are projecting your own misanthropy onto others or you misread the situation. I would not categorize it as "glee" nearly so much as "outrage." You are the only person I have read, seen, or heard anywhere that expressly wished that people would become ill from the virus. I really doubt that there are any people on the far right who are actively desiring that others suffer a horrible death on a widespread scale.
Perhaps because you socialize with them so frequently you know differently?
Either you are projecting your own misanthropy onto others or you misread the situation. I would not categorize it as "glee" nearly so much as "outrage." You are the only person I have read, seen, or heard anywhere that expressly wished that people would become ill from the virus. I really doubt that there are any people on the far right who are actively desiring that others suffer a horrible death on a widespread scale.
Perhaps because you socialize with them so frequently you know differently?
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
The Wall St. Journal's token centrist summarizes the non-partisan position pretty aptly:
so what are the people who are on the front lines in Africa doing to deter the spread of Ebola? maybe they know something we can learn from.
The Wall St. Journal's token centrist summarizes the non-partisan position pretty aptly:
so what are the people who are on the front lines in Africa doing to deter the spread of Ebola? maybe they know something we can learn from.
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Spartanforlife4
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Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Ugh, that reminds me of something I saw yesterday. Someone tweeted that Ebola was a "hoaks" and that it shouldn't be wasting air time on the news. Then someone else commented that they believed it and they had even read articles that said the government knows how to cure cancer but won't release it because they make too much money.
How the eff do people live like this? So 40 years ago the government started a worldwide conspiracy to invent and research a fake disease so in 2014 they could create a fake outbreak?
Ugh, that reminds me of something I saw yesterday. Someone tweeted that Ebola was a "hoaks" and that it shouldn't be wasting air time on the news. Then someone else commented that they believed it and they had even read articles that said the government knows how to cure cancer but won't release it because they make too much money.
How the eff do people live like this? So 40 years ago the government started a worldwide conspiracy to invent and research a fake disease so in 2014 they could create a fake outbreak?
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
So far there have been eight reported cases in the US: Two treated and released and one in treatment in Atlanta, two in treatment and one dead in Dallas, one person treated and released and one in treatment in Omaha. Or currently a .125 death rate in the US. Even Dan Uggla couldn't swing and miss that much.
There isn't a vaccine for the Anti-Vaxxers to avoid with Ebola.
So far there have been eight reported cases in the US: Two treated and released and one in treatment in Atlanta, two in treatment and one dead in Dallas, one person treated and released and one in treatment in Omaha. Or currently a .125 death rate in the US. Even Dan Uggla couldn't swing and miss that much.