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Ebola - all or nothing?
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Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
I don't actually watch the TV news except these little blurbs that pop up on my Facebook; so I haven't been aware of any nationwide panic. But if so, or even if not so, Fox News here makes a good point about the boy who cried wolf. What happens then in an actual emergency?
I don't actually watch the TV news except these little blurbs that pop up on my Facebook; so I haven't been aware of any nationwide panic. But if so, or even if not so, Fox News here makes a good point about the boy who cried wolf. What happens then in an actual emergency?
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
I haven't heard anyone call for an outright "ban". Either a temporary moratorium, or have them arrive only in a few designated airports, or screen the passengers before they board, various ideas to have some control over the situation while also remaining compassionate and helpful toward the people who are ill.
I haven't heard anyone call for an outright "ban". Either a temporary moratorium, or have them arrive only in a few designated airports, or screen the passengers before they board, various ideas to have some control over the situation while also remaining compassionate and helpful toward the people who are ill.
Spartanforlife4
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Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Didn't watch the video, because before I could click on it I was stunned a news site (local news, but still news) actually used a headline titled "News anchor delivers Ebola message everyone needs to hear." Umm... what? You're supposed to be a source for news, not a click-bait site.
Didn't watch the video, because before I could click on it I was stunned a news site (local news, but still news) actually used a headline titled "News anchor delivers Ebola message everyone needs to hear." Umm... what? You're supposed to be a source for news, not a click-bait site.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Well, whatever you want to call it, the point I'm trying to make is that it wouldn't have even stopped this from happening. That is, unless we take the simple idea of "Do this for all flights from West Africa" to the far more "logistically challenging" idea of "Do this for all flights that could have a passenger who originated from West Africa".
Well, whatever you want to call it, the point I'm trying to make is that it wouldn't have even stopped this from happening. That is, unless we take the simple idea of "Do this for all flights from West Africa" to the far more "logistically challenging" idea of "Do this for all flights that could have a passenger who originated from West Africa".
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aparch
Acetaminamerican
Love that game. It's a good explainer for this.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Good article from a trained hazmat hospital worker.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-norman/im-a-hazmat-trained-hospi_b_5998486.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Good article from a trained hazmat hospital worker.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-norman/im-a-hazmat-trained-hospi_b_5998486.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Move everyone to Madagascar, then close the seaport. Humanity saved.
Move everyone to Madagascar, then close the seaport. Humanity saved.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
It does get annoying. It's one of the short little Facebook-friendly clips a.k.a "click bait." But still a worthwhile point.
(But at least he didn't say, "Here's one weird trick the CDC doesn't want you to know about remaining calm.")
Has anyone heard the one yet about Walking Dead Season 5 and "viral marketing"? Never mind.
It does get annoying. It's one of the short little Facebook-friendly clips a.k.a "click bait." But still a worthwhile point.
(But at least he didn't say, "Here's one weird trick the CDC doesn't want you to know about remaining calm.")
Has anyone heard the one yet about Walking Dead Season 5 and "viral marketing"? Never mind.
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Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Whether it would have prevented one single event is a far different question than "how do we reduce and control future events?"
Aren't 100 events a far better outcome than 10,000 events?
Here is an example of one way to balance competing concerns:
Frankly, right now I have much more confidence in the NYC Health Dept than the CDC because it sure sounds like "mission creep" has distracted the CDC from its core competency (let's not get into how some of their budget is allocated to relatively frivolous matters in this thread), while the city Health Dept. is much more in touch with its responsibilities, and its work also is complemented by other agencies that can be coordinated locally to address gaps that are outside the CDCs control.
Finally, the NYC Health Dept. has a far greater accountability to the people of NYC than the CDC appears to have relative to the people of the US. You don't hear excuses from them, they just go about their jobs and call in help as they need it.
Whether it would have prevented one single event is a far different question than "how do we reduce and control future events?"
Aren't 100 events a far better outcome than 10,000 events?
Here is an example of one way to balance competing concerns:
Frankly, right now I have much more confidence in the NYC Health Dept than the CDC because it sure sounds like "mission creep" has distracted the CDC from its core competency (let's not get into how some of their budget is allocated to relatively frivolous matters in this thread), while the city Health Dept. is much more in touch with its responsibilities, and its work also is complemented by other agencies that can be coordinated locally to address gaps that are outside the CDCs control.
Finally, the NYC Health Dept. has a far greater accountability to the people of NYC than the CDC appears to have relative to the people of the US. You don't hear excuses from them, they just go about their jobs and call in help as they need it.
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
If your passport is stamped with a Western African country, you aren't flying here. Seems simple to me. I don;t know if its the right thing to do or not but implementing doesn't seem impossible to me.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Obama appoints Ebola Czar... can martial law be far behind?
http://www.philly.com/philly/health/topics/HealthDay692835_20141017_Obama_Appoints__Ebola_Czar_.html
This will be far more frightening to some than the actual disease.
Obama appoints Ebola Czar... can martial law be far behind?
http://www.philly.com/philly/health/topics/HealthDay692835_20141017_Obama_Appoints__Ebola_Czar_.html
This will be far more frightening to some than the actual disease.
jmh
win or lose, we booze
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Earlier today at work I had a teleconference with, among other participants, a doctor who's a professor at the University of Chicago Hospitals. In the context of an unrelated medical concept we were discussing, he made the point that doctors at hospitals affiliated with medical schools are, in general, more apt to be on top of current best practices than doctors at other hospitals because they're constantly involved with teaching medical students these practices, as opposed to other doctors who don't have as much of a built-in incentive to stay current. In support of this point, he noted that the patients who've been treated at hospitals in Atlanta (affiliated with Emory) and Nebraska (affiliated with the University of Nebraska) have survived, whereas Thomas Duncan, treated at Texas Health Presbyterian (with no university affiliation), died and two nurses there were infected due to deficiencies in or failure to follow proper treatment protocol. Now, it's certainly possible that this doctor's opinions are skewed by his own professional experiences or contacts, but it also does seem to jive with common sense. But if any of you are ever unlucky enough to come down with ebola, and hopefully this is never the case, my recommendation is to get yourself to a teaching hospital.
Earlier today at work I had a teleconference with, among other participants, a doctor who's a professor at the University of Chicago Hospitals. In the context of an unrelated medical concept we were discussing, he made the point that doctors at hospitals affiliated with medical schools are, in general, more apt to be on top of current best practices than doctors at other hospitals because they're constantly involved with teaching medical students these practices, as opposed to other doctors who don't have as much of a built-in incentive to stay current. In support of this point, he noted that the patients who've been treated at hospitals in Atlanta (affiliated with Emory) and Nebraska (affiliated with the University of Nebraska) have survived, whereas Thomas Duncan, treated at Texas Health Presbyterian (with no university affiliation), died and two nurses there were infected due to deficiencies in or failure to follow proper treatment protocol. Now, it's certainly possible that this doctor's opinions are skewed by his own professional experiences or contacts, but it also does seem to jive with common sense. But if any of you are ever unlucky enough to come down with ebola, and hopefully this is never the case, my recommendation is to get yourself to a teaching hospital.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Good thing about all these people self-misdiagnosing is that they are now covered by obamacare and the hospitals are getting paid!!
Good thing about all these people self-misdiagnosing is that they are now covered by obamacare and the hospitals are getting paid!!
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Greenland was always a pain to infect in the plague game I have on my phone.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
Just a question-since we are using temperature screening now at the 5 major airports-and this screening is being done by measuring skin temperature only(notoriously less accurate than the plain old thermometer into an orifice). What if a really sick passenger with a fever developing on the plane takes a few Advil or Tylenol on the plane. With transatlantic flights taking several hours, he would have more than enough time to lower his temperature significantly. And if the plane was really well air conditioned and cool..... Just not sure shining a light on skin from 3 feet away is making me feel real safe right now.
Just a question-since we are using temperature screening now at the 5 major airports-and this screening is being done by measuring skin temperature only(notoriously less accurate than the plain old thermometer into an orifice). What if a really sick passenger with a fever developing on the plane takes a few Advil or Tylenol on the plane. With transatlantic flights taking several hours, he would have more than enough time to lower his temperature significantly. And if the plane was really well air conditioned and cool..... Just not sure shining a light on skin from 3 feet away is making me feel real safe right now.
Re: Ebola - all or nothing?
I've seen several articles that indicate that taking temperature of passengers deplaning is of limited value. I guess it's better than nothing, but it doesn't sound like a measure that is seriously meant to catch people who may have Ebola.
I've seen several articles that indicate that taking temperature of passengers deplaning is of limited value. I guess it's better than nothing, but it doesn't sound like a measure that is seriously meant to catch people who may have Ebola.