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Dump Term 2, 1.01: Sleep Now in the Fire

Jimjamesak said:
Things will likely start to turn when the real desperate prayers to daddy on social media go unanswered. When “I’m going to lose my house! plz help!” gets no response, bad things are going to happen in this country.
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"There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy."

- Alfred Henry Lewis (1906)
 
Jimjamesak said:
As much of meme as this is, cracks are already starting to appear. You can see it at the town halls that Republicans are avoiding. Couple that with an attitude shift by Democrats to one with no empathy, reality has better chance to sink in. Granted, not all of them will get it.
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Yeah except all those whiners still won't vote Dem and you know it. Dems are evil. Until that changes those townhall are rather meaningless.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
"There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy."

- Alfred Henry Lewis (1906)
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The one thing I think people forget is that the lie has to be believable to work.

You can convince people that the economy is bad when it’s doing good by focusing on certain factors.

You can convince people COVID isn’t a big deal when the death rates are low.

It’s hard to convince people “everything is fine!” when they’ve lost their jobs and are losing their homes.

And when they start seeing through the lies, the reality you’ve built for them starts to unravel.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Don’t need them to vote Dem. Pushing them to a point where they don’t vote at all is good enough.
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Yes. This is certainly possible. But as 2018 showed us, many of them didn’t show up and Democrats rolled to victory…we didn’t need this kind of fuckass shit happening for them not to show up…so it’ll be a Pyrrhic victory, if Democrats indeed roll in the 2026 midterms. That said, yes, I still want us controlling the House so we can stop the reconciliation nonsense Republicans will push through this Congressional session. As a country, we’ll be lying on the floor from multiple gunshot wounds at that point. Democrats controlling the House means we won’t get shot anymore.
 
Jimjamesak said:
The one thing I think people forget is that the lie has to be believable to work.

You can convince people that the economy is bad when it’s doing good by focusing on certain factors.

You can convince people COVID isn’t a big deal when the death rates are low.

It’s hard to convince people “everything is fine!” when they’ve lost their jobs and are losing their homes.

And when they start seeing through the lies, the reality you’ve built for them starts to unravel.
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If you give people someone to blame you are fine. Jews were 1% of the population of Germany in '33.

People are lazy, they want someone to blame that doesn't involve choices of their own.

Hell a lot of voters still think COVID was bs and Biden screwed everything up not Trump...even when they know people who died.
 
Handyman said:
If you give people someone to blame you are fine. Jews were 1% of the population of Germany in '33.

People are lazy, they want someone to blame that doesn't involve choices of their own.

Hell a lot of voters still think COVID was bs and Biden screwed everything up not Trump...even when they know people who died.
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They can still blame Biden for COVID because not enough people died, it never got truly bad. Just inconvenient. Same thing with 2008, it never got bad enough where the lies seemed ridiculous.

If (well, when at this point) the country goes into full blown depression, the entire game changes.
 
psych said:
Yes. This is certainly possible. But as 2018 showed us, many of them didn’t show up and Democrats rolled to victory…we didn’t need this kind of fuckass shit happening for them not to show up…so it’ll be a Pyrrhic victory, if Democrats indeed roll in the 2026 midterms. That said, yes, I still want us controlling the House so we can stop the reconciliation nonsense Republicans will push through this Congressional session. As a country, we’ll be lying on the floor from multiple gunshot wounds at that point. Democrats controlling the House means we won’t get shot anymore.
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How optimistic of you to assume there'll be midterm elections.

Donnie and the Repubs certainly ain't acting like they expect there to be.
 
I expect nothing. Nothing shocks me anymore. Assuming we have midterm elections in 2026, we didn’t need to be shot 18 times in the chest and abdomen for Trump lovers to stay home. I know Trump said if we voted for him one more time, we’d never have to vote again. I truly, positively believe he absolutely wants that.
 
I'm a long-time lurker on this board. Came to this discussion to vent. Apologies in advance.

I realize that the drastic measures being taken by the Trump administration affect me less than the more vulnerable among us but here's an example from my little corner of the world of the incompetence of the current decision-makers.

I work for a small aerospace company that designs and builds optical instruments that are deployed on satellites. Our primary source of funding is NASA. Over the past 30+ years we've been working with a small Canadian precision optics fabricator. The parts we buy from them are very specialized, one-off pieces of glass that no other company has been willing to bid on so we have no other options. Since these parts are expensive (approximately $100 - $200K) we have either have to cancel the project or go back to NASA for the $30-$50k additional cost imposed by the 25% Canadian tariffs. In the end you have the federal government (NASA) paying for a tariff on something that is ultimately purchased by the federal government. In between those funds pass through NASA, my company, the Canadian company, and back to the feds, incurring additional administrative costs at each step. Talk about efficiency!
 
psych said:
I expect nothing. Nothing shocks me anymore. Assuming we have midterm elections in 2026, we didn’t need to be shot 18 times in the chest and abdomen for Trump lovers to stay home. I know Trump said if we voted for him one more time, we’d never have to vote again. I truly, positively believe he absolutely wants that.
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If they try to cancel the midterms, that will likely lead to the breakup of the union. Which is not necessarily a bad thing at this point.
 
It is going to be interesting to see what happens to farmers. Trump is proclaiming big things. I think if things stay on the same course, there are either going to be huge bailouts again, or farms will go belly up. If they go belly up, JD Vance and his AcreTrader company will be there to buy the land, pennies on the dollar.......

I know in our part of Minnesota, farmers voted for this. FAFO.....
 
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Jimjamesak said:
They can still blame Biden for COVID because not enough people died, it never got truly bad. Just inconvenient. Same thing with 2008, it never got bad enough where the lies seemed ridiculous.

If (well, when at this point) the country goes into full blown depression, the entire game changes.
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Yeah but i think you underestimate three things:

1) People will cope as long as possible

2) The "revolution" will target anyone doing better than them (including middle class)

3) The results will likely be very very ugly and painful

Les Miserables lead to Napolean. The American Revolution lead to the Articles of Confederation. The Arab Spring lead to groups like the Muslim Brotherhood in control. For a while the cure is going to be worse than the disease. Hell even if Democracy prevails in the end it will take decades to undo the damage to the system, the economy and the worldview.
 
beaverhockeyfan said:
It is going to be interesting to see what happens to farmers. Trump is proclaiming big things. I think if things stay on the same course, there are either going to be huge bailouts again, or farms will go belly up. If they go belly up, JD Vance and his AcreTrader company will be there to buy the land, pennies on the dollar.......

I know in our part of Minnesota, farmers voted for this. FAFO.....
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They’re not getting bailed out. This is all part of the plan.
 
beaverhockeyfan said:
It is going to be interesting to see what happens to farmers. Trump is proclaiming big things. I think if things stay on the same course, there are either going to be huge bailouts again, or farms will go belly up. If they go belly up, JD Vance and his AcreTrader company will be there to buy the land, pennies on the dollar.......

I know in our part of Minnesota, farmers voted for this. FAFO.....
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Might bailout some...but mostly look for Gates, Bezos and other billionaires will buy most of them up.
 
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