Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

[Old Pio]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Jan Brewer should have been smart enough to know at 11 years old that 1) the war was over for 10 years, and 2) her father wasn't overseas. The fact that she said this in the last month makes it relevant.

Having said all that, I'm mostly in agreement. I don't think that if you agree with the political views of Blumenthal, Kirk, or Brewer vs their opponents this is enough to vote against them. However, everybody can send their thank you's to Linda McMahon for opening this can of worms for every other candidate.

GD it, Rover. It is absurd to include Jan Brewer on a list with Kirk and Blumenthal. It's not the same thing, not even close. She's not claiming service or decorations for herself to enhance her candidacy. She's repeating stories which (true or not) have nearly a zero liklihood of making her more likely to win a term on her own. And how, Mr. know everybody's motivations and thoughts, is she supposed to "KNOW" her father didn't serve overseas? She was an infant! World War II vets were dying of wounds received in battle for decades after the war ended. So the mere passage of 11 years doesn't mean anything. Unless it's your view that a World War II vet had to die before the Japs surrendered or it didn't count. You're just dying to make her out to be some sort of liar--it's bogus and you know it. Don't tell me what 11 year olds are "supposed" to know. That's beyond nonsense.

 

[Rover]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

GD it, Rover. It is absurd to include Jan Brewer on a list with Kirk and Blumenthal. It's not the same thing, not even close. She's not claiming service or decorations for herself to enhance her candidacy. She's repeating stories which (true or not) have nearly a zero liklihood of making her more likely to win a term on her own. And how, Mr. know everybody's motivations and thoughts, is she supposed to "KNOW" her father didn't serve overseas? She was an infant! World War II vets were dying of wounds received in battle for decades after the war ended. So the mere passage of 11 years doesn't mean anything. Unless it's your view that a World War II vet had to die before the Japs surrendered or it didn't count. You're just dying to make her out to be some sort of liar--it's bogus and you know it. Don't tell me what 11 year olds are "supposed" to know. That's beyond nonsense.

She doesn't get a pass on this one. She's using it to create a "woe is me" narrative about people calling her a Nazi because of this immigration bill. Her defense was she was hurt by that because her father died fighting the Nazis in Germany. No, he didn't. She would have known that because if she was born in 1944, and he died fighting a government that surrendered in May of 1945, she wouldn't remember her father. That makes her somebody who's lying to improve her political standing...just like, wait for it....Blumenthal and Kirk! You're making it sound like he died of combat related injuries years after the war. That would be excusable, but that's not the case and she has to know that or she's too stupid to hold elective office. All three got caught BS'ing. If you don't think its as serious as the other two, hey neither do I. But, the can of worms has been opened.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

She doesn't get a pass on this one. She's using it to create a "woe is me" narrative about people calling her a Nazi because of this immigration bill. Her defense was she was hurt by that because her father died fighting the Nazis in Germany. No, he didn't. She would have known that because if she was born in 1944, and he died fighting a government that surrendered in May of 1945, she wouldn't remember her father. That makes her somebody who's lying to improve her political standing...just like, wait for it....Blumenthal and Kirk! You're making it sound like he died of combat related injuries years after the war. That would be excusable, but that's not the case and she has to know that or she's too stupid to hold elective office. All three got caught BS'ing. If you don't think its as serious as the other two, hey neither do I. But, the can of worms has been opened.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Rover: the expert on what 11-year olds should know. And she doesn't need a narrative to defend herself from charges of being a Nazi by people on your extreme end of the spectrum. The left throws Nazi allegations at cafeteria ladies, so its no surprise the various pleaders for illegals are doing the same. She doesn't need a justification for being offended by being called a Nazi. Only libs think that way. You want to hammer Jan Brewer because you don't like SB1070. Why don't you just man up and say so rather than creating these fantasy requirements for what infants and children should know and when they should know it. Maybe in your family you're constantly Googling to make sure your father isn't lying to you, but not everybody (especially 11 year old girls) has OCD. And notwithstanding your claim that you don't think Brewer's in the same league with Kirk and your buddy Blumenthal, you're certainly playing a lot of chin music on the subject, aren't you? Man up, stop BSing us. We see what you're doing here, and it's pathetic.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Therefore, if there hadn't been Nazis, her father wouldn't have died in 1955.

If it weren't for my horse I wouldn't have spent that year in college.

 

[walrus]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Rover: .

Rover proudly voted for Ted Kennedy, what else do you need to know?

 

[joecct]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Rover proudly voted for Ted Kennedy, what else do you need to know?

But Rover was not acting alone.

It was a conspiracy I tell you. A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!

 

[Rover]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Rover: the expert on what 11-year olds should know. And she doesn't need a narrative to defend herself from charges of being a Nazi by people on your extreme end of the spectrum. The left throws Nazi allegations at cafeteria ladies, so its no surprise the various pleaders for illegals are doing the same. She doesn't need a justification for being offended by being called a Nazi. Only libs think that way. You want to hammer Jan Brewer because you don't like SB1070. Why don't you just man up and say so rather than creating these fantasy requirements for what infants and children should know and when they should know it. Maybe in your family you're constantly Googling to make sure your father isn't lying to you, but not everybody (especially 11 year old girls) has OCD. And notwithstanding your claim that you don't think Brewer's in the same league with Kirk and your buddy Blumenthal, you're certainly playing a lot of chin music on the subject, aren't you? Man up, stop BSing us. We see what you're doing here, and it's pathetic.

Are you in a relationship with Brewer or something? Yikes.

Here's the deal. I don't care much about illegal immigration as an issue, nor do I really have a big problem with this Arizona law. Frankly, I don't care because I don't live there, I don't know any illegal immigrants to my knowledge, and if people want to oppose the law in the state that it affects, then they need to organize and change the law from within. Something I suspect will happen given changing demographics, but either way I don't really care much. So, when it comes to reading people's minds, seems you also overestimate your abilities. And since I don't have the ability to communicate with the afterlife, I have no need to google my father's statements.

Brewer should be offended at being called a Nazi. However, a total BS claim that he died fighting Nazis in Germany is ludicrious, and you wonder why conservatives often end up as laughingstocks. Its your inability to give up the ghost once the lie has been exposed. This to me is akin to Bobby Jindal's story about biatching out the feds with some dude in the middle of Hurricane Katrina, only it turned out he was nowhere near where he said he was. Maybe it sucks if it happens to a politician you like, but plenty of Americans acually died in Germany fighting the Nazis during the war. Telling tall tales about your family to bolster your political position may not be subject to that law Orrin Hatch was trying to pass until he found out it might apply to Kirk too, but it doesn't make it okay.

 

[Rover]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

More on Kirk...

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/06/kirks_campaign_started_scrubbi.html

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Are you in a relationship with Brewer or something? Yikes.

Here's the deal. I don't care much about illegal immigration as an issue, nor do I really have a big problem with this Arizona law. Frankly, I don't care because I don't live there, I don't know any illegal immigrants to my knowledge, and if people want to oppose the law in the state that it affects, then they need to organize and change the law from within. Something I suspect will happen given changing demographics, but either way I don't really care much. So, when it comes to reading people's minds, seems you also overestimate your abilities. And since I don't have the ability to communicate with the afterlife, I have no need to google my father's statements.

Brewer should be offended at being called a Nazi. However, a total BS claim that he died fighting Nazis in Germany is ludicrious, and you wonder why conservatives often end up as laughingstocks. Its your inability to give up the ghost once the lie has been exposed. This to me is akin to Bobby Jindal's story about biatching out the feds with some dude in the middle of Hurricane Katrina, only it turned out he was nowhere near where he said he was. Maybe it sucks if it happens to a politician you like, but plenty of Americans acually died in Germany fighting the Nazis during the war. Telling tall tales about your family to bolster your political position may not be subject to that law Orrin Hatch was trying to pass until he found out it might apply to Kirk too, but it doesn't make it okay.

Pretty clumsy lie (world class, actually) since she's quoted as saying she lost her dad when she was 11. Doesn't exactly require a left wing Inspector Javert like you to figure that one out, which raises the question of whether every incorrect statement is, in fact, a lie. Most of you lefties say Bush lied about WMD because it turned out he was wrong. Here Brewer's statement is awkward and seemingly untrue, but was it deliberate, given the ease with which Sherlock Rover proved the statement to be in error?

Please spare me your analogies about "plenty of Americans who died in Germany." What if it turns out her dad got sick because of his work at that munitions plant? Certainly not a casualty of war in the same sense the guys murdered in Malmedy, but a case can be made that he died because of his efforts to defeat Germany. What about merchant marine seamen killed by U-Boats, they weren't officially casualties of the war either, but they're certainly dead. You keep begging the question about "telling tall tales to bolster your political position." Evidence, please. The quotes attributed to her do not prove that conclusion, to which you so eagerly jumped. And it's a little indirect to pump up your dad's resume and certainly different (except in your mind) from pumping up your own resume: "When I served in Vietnam."

I wouldn't throw the term laughingstock quite so readily. It was your side that defended that pig Teddy Kennedy for three decades after he left a little girl to drown like a rat. "But he was a great senator," really isn't a defense, is it?

 

[Patman]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

I wouldn't throw the term laughingstock quite so readily. It was your side that defended that pig Teddy Kennedy for three decades after he left a little girl to drown like a rat. "But he was a great senator," really isn't a defense, is it?

Gov. Brewer was wrong about her father... Teddy Kennedy killed a girl. Clearly Ms. Brewer is a monster.

 

[Rover]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

And....where were you guys regarding the prosecution of murderer Laura Bush???

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

And....where were you guys regarding the prosecution of murderer Laura Bush???

You, sir, are beyond redemption. Laura Bush was on the grassy knoll, blowing Jack Kennedy's brains out. And those gutless Texas officials, knowing that decades later she'd marry a dude who was going to become president, let her get away with it.

You might want to cut back on the stuff just a little.

 

[Patman]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

And....where were you guys regarding the prosecution of murderer Laura Bush???

Depends, did she commit a crime? We KNOW Teddy did.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/andrew-romanoff-details-contac.html?wprss=thefix
Looks like Andrew Romanoff (Dem candidate for Senator from Colorado), may have gotten the Sestak treatment. This time, there were specific offers made as well.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Depends, did she commit a crime? We KNOW Teddy did.

Including leaving the scene for 8 or 9 hours then presenting himself at the Edgartown PD where he submitted a statement that was a tissue of lies: "I was unfamiliar with the island." An interesting position for a guy who'd spent every summer of his adult life on Chappy.

 

[Rover]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

You, sir, are beyond redemption. Laura Bush was on the grassy knoll, blowing Jack Kennedy's brains out. And those gutless Texas officials, knowing that decades later she'd marry a dude who was going to become president, let her get away with it.

You might want to cut back on the stuff just a little.

Sorry to expose your hypocrisy, but which one is it? Are we holding people in traffic accidents liable for murder or aren't we? You seem to be dealing with the same dilemna as with the Kirk/Blumenthal issue. When a Republican does it, you suddenly become lenient. I won't speculate as to why that is, but I'm definitely seeing a pattern here.

On another note, I do have to give kudos to the South Carolina GOP for its nod to diversity. Now, instead of restricting their gubernatorial adulterers to men, they're also inviting female adulterers to the party!

http://www.wltx.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=88179&catid=2

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Sorry to expose your hypocrisy, but which one is it? Are we holding people in traffic accidents liable for murder or aren't we? You seem to be dealing with the same dilemna as with the Kirk/Blumenthal issue. When a Republican does it, you suddenly become lenient. I won't speculate as to why that is, but I'm definitely seeing a pattern here.

On another note, I do have to give kudos to the South Carolina GOP for its nod to diversity. Now, instead of restricting their gubernatorial adulterers to men, they're also inviting female adulterers to the party!

http://www.wltx.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=88179&catid=2

Up until now I've assumed you're just a die hard lib expressing the usual myths. It turns out you're also pretty stupid, judging by that last post. No one has suggested that Teddy Kennedy murdered anyone. No one has suggested that what happened that night was anything but an accident. Even so, he left the scene of a fatal incident (you have heard of hit and run, right?), lied about what actually transpired for decades and enlisted the the services of lawyers and Kennedy toadies to keep his big butt out of prison.

Your juvenile question about "holding people in traffic accidents liable for murder" is so lacking in substance, so detached from reality, as to be impossible to rebut. What we try to do is determine the culpability of the drivers in fatal accidents. One accident at a time. Murder charges are rarely brought because there's almost never evidence the deaths were caused deliberately.

I's not possible to have an intelligent discussion with someone who suggests that all fatal traffic accidents are exactly alike and if the principals are charged differently it's because of political bias. Laura Bush was involved in a traffic accident when she was 17. No evidence of traffic violations, drinking or coverup. None of that can be said of Kennedy and he was a United States senator at the time. As to my alleged partisan bias, I seem to recall you complementing me for having concluded both your pal Blumenthal and Kirk were lying. So where am I being hypocritical, jerk?

Your "dual standards" argument is the sort of thing you'd expect from Baghdad Bob--"The Americans aren't at Saddam International Airport." So you've demonstrated to my satisfaction that your partisanship is so complete that you have lost your senses. And I make it a point not to debate with delusionals. I mokusatsu you.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Rover: the expert on what 11-year olds should know. And she doesn't need a narrative to defend herself from charges of being a Nazi by people on your extreme end of the spectrum. The left throws Nazi allegations at cafeteria ladies, so its no surprise the various pleaders for illegals are doing the same. She doesn't need a justification for being offended by being called a Nazi. Only libs think that way. You want to hammer Jan Brewer because you don't like SB1070. Why don't you just man up and say so rather than creating these fantasy requirements for what infants and children should know and when they should know it. Maybe in your family you're constantly Googling to make sure your father isn't lying to you, but not everybody (especially 11 year old girls) has OCD. And notwithstanding your claim that you don't think Brewer's in the same league with Kirk and your buddy Blumenthal, you're certainly playing a lot of chin music on the subject, aren't you? Man up, stop BSing us. We see what you're doing here, and it's pathetic.

Your argument would hold water if she was 11 NOW! She isn't...meaning she should know that her dad didn't die fighting the Nazis. If she hasn't figured that out yet then she is way to stupid to hold office

This is like the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where the Rabbi tells everyone his brother in law died on 9/11 to get sympathy but said brother in law died on the other side of town as he was hit by a car

 

[Kepler]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Has Brewer released a statement explaining what she said? My initial reading of it was that she'd been caught in a typical pol's exaggeration, and that the truth was probably that her family's story is that her dad contracted some lung ailment working in a munitions factory during WW2 and thus he "died fighting the Nazis." It's not a "lie," exactly, though it sure is what Mark Twain would call a "stretcher."

She would not be catching the same level of flak if it hadn't been for the prior two instances, which is more a comment on what we expect from public officials than on her conduct.

 

[Rover]

Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

Your argument would hold water if she was 11 NOW! She isn't...meaning she should know that her dad didn't die fighting the Nazis. If she hasn't figured that out yet then she is way to stupid to hold office

This is like the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where the Rabbi tells everyone his brother in law died on 9/11 to get sympathy but said brother in law died on the other side of town as he was hit by a car

Forget it. He's on a roll. I like his "nobody is accusing Ted Kennedy or murder" comment. Yeah, never seen that. Then he goes on to make my point, which is car accidents don't tend to result in murder charges, and all are judged differently (Kennedy got some judgement against him, don't believe Laura Bush was ever charged). All the while arguing against me.
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Beyond all this though, I think this demonstrates the problem the GOP has with the so-called "new media". Back in the heady days of 1980-2004, a story like Blumenthal's would have buried the candidate, and it never would have boomeranged back on Kirk. The problem is that all of this info is available instantaneously now for opposition research to point out any hypocricy. Look no further than Orrin Hatch's idiot attempt to pass a law specifically targeting Blumenthal, then looking like a doofus when asked by the press if this also applied to Kirk (for the record, he said it wouldn't - thus looking like a partisan $_hithead ).