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Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

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Red Cloud said:
Kirk's embellishment is almost certainly worse than Blumenthal's. 2.5 million Americans served IN Vietnam (as opposed to 8.2 million "Vietnam era veterans). One person each year wins the award Kirk claimed. Which one's easier to check? Duh?



Sometimes figuring out your awards is worthy of an award itself - and I know just what you're talking about with the unit citations. Those can get confusing if you don't document which ones you've earned and which ones are simply representative of your unit. My uniform's got three MUCs on it, but I'm only entitled to the one my unit earned while I was deployed with them.

What it all boils down to is a simple lesson for everyone - don't embellish your resume, whether it's a CV, a political narrative, or a military uniform.
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There's no single answer to these questions about why somebody would blow a little helium into their record. While Kirk's prevarication would be easy to check based on the fact that only one person a year gets it Blumenthal's is much easier for credulous citizens to accept and give credit for: "when I served in Vietnam." In Kirk's case, he wasn't claiming a valor award, rather an award that would show him to have been exceptionally good at his job.

Of my paltry collection of awards, I am most proud of my Air Force Small Arms Marksmanship ribbon which meant I hit 60 out of 60 from 100 yards with an M-16. Nowdays, the average AF basic doesn't get any training at all with the M-16, as I understand it. But forever more, I'm an AF steely eyed killer, and don't you forget it. :)
 
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Looks like Parker Griffith, who switched parties from D to R back in December, looks like he could be headed for a primary loss tonight. Currently down about 51% to 36% with 87% reporting.
 
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Old Pio said:
There's no single answer to these questions about why somebody would blow a little helium into their record. While Kirk's prevarication would be easy to check based on the fact that only one person a year gets it Blumenthal's is much easier for credulous citizens to accept and give credit for: "when I served in Vietnam." In Kirk's case, he wasn't claiming a valor award, rather an award that would show him to have been exceptionally good at his job.

Of my paltry collection of awards, I am most proud of my Air Force Small Arms Marksmanship ribbon which meant I hit 60 out of 60 from 100 yards with an M-16. Nowdays, the average AF basic doesn't get any training at all with the M-16, as I understand it. But forever more, I'm an AF steely eyed killer, and don't you forget it. :)
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More on Kirk:

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...rk-to-questions-about-his-military-award.html

I was inclined to believe the explanation about confusion regarding what you could claim as awarded to yourself vs to your unit. However, I don't like how he claimed he found the error himself, when in fact the Navy was the one who informed him. Not good.
 
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Old Pio said:
Of my paltry collection of awards, I am most proud of my Air Force Small Arms Marksmanship ribbon which meant I hit 60 out of 60 from 100 yards with an M-16. Nowdays, the average AF basic doesn't get any training at all with the M-16, as I understand it. But forever more, I'm an AF steely eyed killer, and don't you forget it. :)
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Heh. Boy, I wish the Army would let us try that. I'm going to hit you if you're stationary within 150 yards. 200, I'll probably get you. Out to 300, maybe one in three - although I haven't had much range time since I got laser surgery, so who knows? :D
 
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Looks like its official now, Kirk = Blumenthal.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/kirk_campaign_mum_on_another_a.html

What I find interesting is this. When the Blumenthal stuff came out, everybody handicapping elections was quick to rank this race a tossup, based on one poll from a GOP leaning pollster. Despite multiple other polls showing a double digit lead, its still rated that way.

Now Kirk comes along, does the same thing, had no lead before the story broke, and is running in a blue state, yet no change in the rating of the race?:confused: **** biased conservative media. :mad: :D

Also, not sure who this hurts more (Crist or Rubio) but the ex head of the Florida GOP just got lugged.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/06/ex-florida-gop-chairman-arrest.html?wprss=44

Makes me wish the Dems had run a viable candidate....
 
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Rover said:
Looks like its official now, Kirk = Blumenthal.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/kirk_campaign_mum_on_another_a.html

What I find interesting is this. When the Blumenthal stuff came out, everybody handicapping elections was quick to rank this race a tossup, based on one poll from a GOP leaning pollster. Despite multiple other polls showing a double digit lead, its still rated that way.

Now Kirk comes along, does the same thing, had no lead before the story broke, and is running in a blue state, yet no change in the rating of the race?:confused: **** biased conservative media. :mad: :D

Also, not sure who this hurts more (Crist or Rubio) but the ex head of the Florida GOP just got lugged.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/06/ex-florida-gop-chairman-arrest.html?wprss=44

Makes me wish the Dems had run a viable candidate....
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The greatest bumper sticker in the history of the world came from the Louisiana gubernatorial race between Edwin Edwards and David Duke: "vote for the crook, it's important." The Illinois senate race seems to be the reverse--Kirk has evidently made false claims about his military service, but the other guy is mobbed up to his nostrils--with more revelations to come. We'll see.
 
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Red Cloud said:
Heh. Boy, I wish the Army would let us try that. I'm going to hit you if you're stationary within 150 yards. 200, I'll probably get you. Out to 300, maybe one in three - although I haven't had much range time since I got laser surgery, so who knows? :D
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In those days AF basics got exactly two days training on the M-16. Day 1 "dry fire," day 2 "wet fire." This would make the average Army or Marine Corps basic cry with laughter. The theory evidently was in a worst case scenario AF troops would be issued M-16s and this minimum amount of training would ensure that they wouldn't shoot each other and would get some rounds down range. I assure you I can do that (barely).:D

edit: when I qualified for my marksmanship ribbon I was using a right handed M-16. I'm a lefty, which means that bad boy was ejecting shells right across my line of sight. Made it a little tougher.
 
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Old Pio said:
The greatest bumper sticker in the history of the world came from the Louisiana gubernatorial race between Edwin Edwards and David Duke: "vote for the crook, it's important."
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Not so. The greatest ever reads, "Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an a55 hole."
 
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geezer said:
Not so. The greatest ever reads, "Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an a55 hole."
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I always liked "Blasters Dont Kill People, Stormtroopers Do" ;)
 
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geezer said:
Not so. The greatest ever reads, "Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an a55 hole."
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I was referring to an actual race between real candidates, not a philosophical expression. As usual, I didn't make it clear. The greatest political bumper sticker in the history of the world.

I did see one years ago on a smokey old car in Houston, it read: "my other car's a piece of chit, too"
 
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Rover said:
THIS one is odd...

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/06/02/brewer_tells_conflicting_story_about_her_father.html


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Her statement could be entirely correct: He was working in the munitions factory to help the war against the Nazi regime (you know, the one "in Germany"), got exposed to nasty chemicals (quite possible in a munitions factory at the time), and subsequently developed lung cancer from said chemicals and died.

Therefore, if there hadn't been Nazis, her father wouldn't have died in 1955.
 
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LynahFan said:
Her statement could be entirely correct: He was working in the munitions factory to help the war against the Nazi regime (you know, the one "in Germany"), got exposed to nasty chemicals (quite possible in a munitions factory at the time), and subsequently developed lung cancer from said chemicals and died.

Therefore, if there hadn't been Nazis, her father wouldn't have died in 1955.
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Sure, it "could" be, but when one says "My father died fighting the Nazi's" most people would think from that statement that the guy was overseas exchanging bullets with the F 'ers, not working in a factory and passing away a decade later.
 
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Rover said:
Sure, it "could" be, but when one says "My father died fighting the Nazi's" most people would think from that statement that the guy was overseas exchanging bullets with the F 'ers, not working in a factory and passing away a decade later.
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Oh, for cripes sake. Let's set statutes of limitations for this stuff, both for generations and the length of time removed.

40 years from now if Chelsea wants to talk about her mom, the Lioness of Tuzla, in favorable terms, who will it hurt? Jan Brewer was born in September of 1944, less than a year before the war in Europe ended. She only has her daddy's war stories to rely on. She was 11 when he died. As an 11 year old, should she have been "researching" the truth of her father's claims? Can we get back to the real world here, please? And who, aside from some "gotcha" specialists, cares?
 
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Kepler said:
Heh.
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"This also raises the question as to what happens when Storm Troopers, who cannot shoot accurately, combat Starfleet Red Shirts, who must always die in combat."

I guess that means nobody can say whether or not star wars is better than star trek. :p
 
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Old Pio said:
Oh, for cripes sake. Let's set statutes of limitations for this stuff, both for generations and the length of time removed.

40 years from now if Chelsea wants to talk about her mom, the Lioness of Tuzla, in favorable terms, who will it hurt? Jan Brewer was born in September of 1944, less than a year before the war in Europe ended. She only has her daddy's war stories to rely on. She was 11 when he died. As an 11 year old, should she have been "researching" the truth of her father's claims? Can we get back to the real world here, please? And who, aside from some "gotcha" specialists, cares?
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Jan Brewer should have been smart enough to know at 11 years old that 1) the war was over for 10 years, and 2) her father wasn't overseas. The fact that she said this in the last month makes it relevant.

Having said all that, I'm mostly in agreement. I don't think that if you agree with the political views of Blumenthal, Kirk, or Brewer vs their opponents this is enough to vote against them. However, everybody can send their thank you's to Linda McMahon for opening this can of worms for every other candidate. :D
 
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