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Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

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Assuming the bribe was what Slick claimed it was, that's a pretty weak offer isn't it? Quit your job as Congressman, drop out of a Senate race you have a decent shot at winning, all for the opportunity to hold an unpaid position?

Edit: Apparently Sestak would have been allowed to keep his job as congressman, in addition to this new advisory role. Which raises more questions of course. Is that even legal? And of course, an unpaid advisory role is a pretty funny definition of "job" a word Sestak used a couple of times.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Assuming the bribe was what Slick claimed it was, that's a pretty weak offer isn't it? Quit your job as Congressman, drop out of a Senate race you have a decent shot at winning, all for the opportunity to hold an unpaid position?
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Ya think?:D Its a joke and we've haven't heard the end of it.
 
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Another service snafu:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/29/AR2010052903029_pf.html

I'm inclined to the view that claiming the award was no accident. On the other hand, he'd evidently served honorably, given the medals he won legitimately. It's not exactly like forgetting whether or not you served in 'Nam. So there's some definite puffery going on here, IMO. Whether or not it's fatal only time will tell.

During my service I was assigned to units that had been awarded Unit Citations and Presidential Unit Citations. During my time there I was authorized to wear those ribbons. But since I hadn't been assigned to those units at the time the awards were made, those medals are not a part of my record--I can't claim them, can't wear them.

This stuff can get tricky. Remember Admiral Boorda? Chief of Naval Operations who killed himself, at least in part because of a controversy over whether he was entitled to wear a "V" device (for valor) on one of his ribbons. Professionals take this stuff very seriously.
 
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Old Pio said:
Another service snafu:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/29/AR2010052903029_pf.html

I'm inclined to the view that claiming the award was no accident. On the other hand, he'd evidently served honorably, given the medals he won legitimately. It's not exactly like forgetting whether or not you served in 'Nam. So there's some definite puffery going on here, IMO. Whether or not it's fatal only time will tell.

During my service I was assigned to units that had been awarded Unit Citations and Presidential Unit Citations. During my time there I was authorized to wear those ribbons. But since I hadn't been assigned to those units at the time the awards were made, those medals are not a part of my record--I can't claim them, can't wear them.

This stuff can get tricky. Remember Admiral Boorda? Chief of Naval Operations who killed himself, at least in part because of a controversy over whether he was entitled to wear a "V" device (for valor) on one of his ribbons. Professionals take this stuff very seriously.
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Mark Kirk is likely done... what's more disgusting through is that when he's done it'll allow a mob banker and white-collar thief to win that Senate seat... actually, that'd be quite fitting seeing as it was Obama's seat.
 
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Kirk you idiot. Chance to win a Senate seat in a very blue state, against a Dem who's dirtier than heck, and you find a way to screw things up.

In other news, SurveyUSA has Rand Paul up by 6 in Kentucky. Looks like he weathered the initial onslaught well enough.
 
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Mark Kirk is likely done... what's more disgusting through is that when he's done it'll allow a mob banker and white-collar thief to win that Senate seat... actually, that'd be quite fitting seeing as it was Obama's seat.
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Because Obama is a mob banker and white-collar thief. And a Kenyan. And Muslim. And a Socialist/Communist/Fascist.
 
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Because Obama is a mob banker and white-collar thief. And a Kenyan. And Muslim. And a Socialist/Communist/Fascist.
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Actually, i was thinking corrupt and the production of the Chicago machine... but just for you, why not.

Supposedly Mr. Kirk and Mr. Obama have something in common though.
 
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Of course he was. And Chuck Schumer owes his seat to Tammany Hall.
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It's one of those things you should just let slide, I know, but for some reason it stuck out at me.

Forget ignoring his turn and running against Daley cronies in this or that election - those are too easy. Obama's start in politics was community organizing. This much we all know. What do those communities organize about? Who do they organize against? Not insurance agents in DeKalb. Not farmers in Evansville or Carbondale. Not the State treasurer in Springfield.

They're organizing because they think they're getting hosed by local government. Because they're not getting emergency services, making life hard for working communities that actually want more police presence. Or because they're not down with urban renewal that eliminates public housing. Make a list of all the grievances that those south side neighborhoods have, and most of 'em will be directed *at* Daley.
 
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It's awesome that you guys can knock down the Obama is a product of the Daley machine talking point, but did it occur to you that Patman may have been referring to Giannoulias?
 
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Old Pio said:
Another service snafu:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/29/AR2010052903029_pf.html

I'm inclined to the view that claiming the award was no accident. On the other hand, he'd evidently served honorably, given the medals he won legitimately. It's not exactly like forgetting whether or not you served in 'Nam. So there's some definite puffery going on here, IMO. Whether or not it's fatal only time will tell.

During my service I was assigned to units that had been awarded Unit Citations and Presidential Unit Citations. During my time there I was authorized to wear those ribbons. But since I hadn't been assigned to those units at the time the awards were made, those medals are not a part of my record--I can't claim them, can't wear them.
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Kudos for being consistant on these matters, although you seem to be a straight shooter on military matters so I'm not surprised.

While this isn't fatal to Kirk's campaign, it really makes things harder. Unlike Blumenthal he wasn't polling much higher than the low 40's in this race to begin with in a Dem state. His best issue over his opponent was probably ethics, and now that's tainted.
 
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Of course he was. And Chuck Schumer owes his seat to Tammany Hall.
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I love these "look at me, I think I'm smart" posts Priceless throws out there from time to time. Classic.
 
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Old Pio said:
Another service snafu:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/29/AR2010052903029_pf.html

I'm inclined to the view that claiming the award was no accident. On the other hand, he'd evidently served honorably, given the medals he won legitimately. It's not exactly like forgetting whether or not you served in 'Nam. So there's some definite puffery going on here, IMO. Whether or not it's fatal only time will tell.
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Kirk's embellishment is almost certainly worse than Blumenthal's. 2.5 million Americans served IN Vietnam (as opposed to 8.2 million "Vietnam era veterans). One person each year wins the award Kirk claimed. Which one's easier to check? Duh?

During my service I was assigned to units that had been awarded Unit Citations and Presidential Unit Citations. During my time there I was authorized to wear those ribbons. But since I hadn't been assigned to those units at the time the awards were made, those medals are not a part of my record--I can't claim them, can't wear them.

This stuff can get tricky. Remember Admiral Boorda? Chief of Naval Operations who killed himself, at least in part because of a controversy over whether he was entitled to wear a "V" device (for valor) on one of his ribbons. Professionals take this stuff very seriously.
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Sometimes figuring out your awards is worthy of an award itself - and I know just what you're talking about with the unit citations. Those can get confusing if you don't document which ones you've earned and which ones are simply representative of your unit. My uniform's got three MUCs on it, but I'm only entitled to the one my unit earned while I was deployed with them.

What it all boils down to is a simple lesson for everyone - don't embellish your resume, whether it's a CV, a political narrative, or a military uniform.
 
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Primary day today in New Mexico, Alabama, and Mississippi. Nothing too exciting going on, a few House races might be close, but that's about it.

Lots of pollsters also starting to release polls on the 2012 elections, long way off obviously, but it sure looks like Gingrich and Romney are the frontrunners. Color me underwhelmed.
 
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Red Cloud said:
My uniform's got three MUCs on it, but I'm only entitled to the one my unit earned while I was deployed with them.
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That's very interesting. Are they distinguished in any way on the uniform (put in different places, for example)? Are there medals awarded at all levels or just unit? I had no idea there were "collective" medals -- I thought they were all individual, and if a unit was awarded a medal that meant everybody in the unit at that moment was individually awarded one, but they "follow the soldier," not the unit.
 
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They're organizing because they think they're getting hosed by local government. Because they're not getting emergency services, making life hard for working communities that actually want more police presence. Or because they're not down with urban renewal that eliminates public housing. Make a list of all the grievances that those south side neighborhoods have, and most of 'em will be directed *at* Daley.
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These are all extremely good points based on facts, and as such have no place in an internet discussion forum. You're lucky not to be banned. :mad:
 
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