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Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

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Patman said:
I thought the claim was that he was the "captain"?
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Blumenthal claimed he was the captain, the article phrased it something along the lines of "But he was never on the swim team at all". Which I guess wasn't true.
 
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Kepler said:
The underlying concept of the TP, as it exists today, is anti-liberal. With a Dem in power that means anti-everything from taxes to social policy. If the TP survives until the GOP is in power, it will become strictly social policy, since they will not challenge a right wing government, and social policy is the right's evergreen gripe via convenient scapegoats like the courts, the media, Hollywood, universities, the "elite," yadda yadda.

Now all this could change if a Paulite captures (the correct word might be recaptures, since some of the TP genealogy dates back to the Ron Paul Experience) the movement, in which case they could retain their message and energy even against a GOP establishment.

But right now it's still very much the handmaid of the Republicans and the GOP is using them. They won't be truly what you seem to want to think they are unless they start protesting GOP spending priorities under a GOP administration.
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This is precisely why I unhitched my horse from that wagon. When it first came about, I was under the assumption that it would be a fiscally conservative, social libertarian movement. It was turned into a more republican version of republicans... :(

Edit: holy hell. I didn't realize I was this far behind on the page number for this thread. Sorry about that.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
This is precisely why I unhitched my horse from that wagon. When it first came about, I was under the assumption that it would be a fiscally conservative, social libertarian movement. It was turned into a more republican version of republicans... :(
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Ya...I have been surprised by this too. The concept of the tea party seemed to be strictly...I want to minimize govt spending above all else. This is really why Ron Paul became a sensation before the election. The following April gatherings seemed to be the moment of creation and appearance of transfer to the TP itself.

I had a buddy who's running for local state rep for the GOP north of St Paul. And in his one on one with the TP, he said he just had to position himself as pretty much a radical on social issues in order to get their interest.

Frankly from what I can tell, the Tea Party seems to have turned more into Bush jr party.
 
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walrus said:
Hey Scooby

Is Rand Paul the new boogieman in your world?. You seem to be obsessed by him
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Scooby's boogieman du jour is practically always lockstep with the boogieman du jour of the MSM.

He's a good boy who does as he's told.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Like Rand Paul.
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meh, Rand Paul can claim any mantle he wants... the Tea Partiers like him because he's not one of the "moderates" and stridently not so. They can trust him to vote on the economic side of the ball. Its just an incomplete thought when you get to the rest of the causes of the Paul family.

You guys keep trying to shoehorn the "tea party" into some hole. The "tea party" is a rather loose, informal, semi-formal, incredibly formal, organization depending on whom you talk to or deal with. The major aligning cause is the fear that the government is spending money faster than we can ever hope to pay it back. Yes, some people want to use it to their own means... yes in general it is republican focused... but democrats can take up aspects of their mantle whenever they get around to it... but since they're effectively beholden to the socialists they won't... but in general its an anti-spending movement who believes that the government no longer listens or respects the voice of its own people and is largely agnostic to social issues.

edit: as a challenge... in regards to the civil rights act... explain to me why Rand Paul (and his father) believes as they do on that issue? I know why, more or less, I'd like to see (any of) you do it through.
 
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Patman said:
edit: as a challenge... in regards to the civil rights act... explain to me why Rand Paul (and his father) believes as they do on that issue? I know why, more or less, I'd like to see (any of) you do it through.
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Because they're racists
 
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WeWantMore said:
Blumenthal claimed he was the captain, the article phrased it something along the lines of "But he was never on the swim team at all". Which I guess wasn't true.
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If you read the original article, he never stated either. The article said it came from sources (unnamed of course) claiming he said that, but there was no record of him being on the team. Turns out he was on the team unless Harvard went back in time and doctored their yearbook.

While it does not take away from him shady representations of Vietnam servivce on occasion, it sure seems to be somebody was out to get the guy. Why even bother to include something like this in the article?

Patman, given that Obama won an overwhelming electoral mandate, are you not insulting the mainstream American public yourself with your canine like loyalty to any and all opposition to your President?
 
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Rover said:
If you read the original article, he never stated either. The article said it came from sources (unnamed of course) claiming he said that, but there was no record of him being on the team. Turns out he was on the team unless Harvard went back in time and doctored their yearbook.

While it does not take away from him shady representations of Vietnam servivce on occasion, it sure seems to be somebody was out to get the guy. Why even bother to include something like this in the article?

Patman, given that Obama won an overwhelming electoral mandate, are you not insulting the mainstream American public yourself with your canine like loyalty to any and all opposition to your President?
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Oh okay, I stand corrected then. It does appear the reporter had an axe to grind, or at least was a little hurried in his reporting.
 
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WeWantMore said:
CT GOP endorses Linda McMahon (former WWE executive) over Rob Simmons (war hero).
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37633.html

Not sure that was the best move given the circumstances.
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Well, I'd have to say, not knowing Ms. McMahon, is that she'll run an aggressive campaign... if you are going to win as a republican in new england you can't be passive.
 
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Patman said:
edit: as a challenge... in regards to the civil rights act... explain to me why Rand Paul (and his father) believes as they do on that issue? I know why, more or less, I'd like to see (any of) you do it through.
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Well he says it is because he believes private businesses should have the right to do as they please. Once again, a good idea in theory, but in reality is just not practical.

As for the Tea Party the reason a lot of people attack them so much is because certain commentators put them on a pedestal. The Liberals are going to attack anyone that is supported and beloved by the Fox News crowd. I mean Glen Beck and Co. love these guys and because of that the Anti-Fox crowd is going to burn them at the stake. It cuts both ways, any group that is supported by the liberal spectrum is tarred and feathered by the Right...that is just the state of politics today. It doesnt help that many candidates are looking to Tea Party movements to back their candidacy which is causing further divide.

Personally as an Independent I like the way they organize, but I think their politics is off. If you are going to ask for fiscal responsibility you better be screaming for defense cuts first and foremost right along with Medicare and Welfare reform.
 
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Handyman said:
Well he says it is because he believes private businesses should have the right to do as they please. Once again, a good idea in theory, but in reality is just not practical.

As for the Tea Party the reason a lot of people attack them so much is because certain commentators put them on a pedestal. The Liberals are going to attack anyone that is supported and beloved by the Fox News crowd. I mean Glen Beck and Co. love these guys and because of that the Anti-Fox crowd is going to burn them at the stake. It cuts both ways, any group that is supported by the liberal spectrum is tarred and feathered by the Right...that is just the state of politics today. It doesnt help that many candidates are looking to Tea Party movements to back their candidacy which is causing further divide.

Personally as an Independent I like the way they organize, but I think their politics is off. If you are going to ask for fiscal responsibility you better be screaming for defense cuts first and foremost right along with Medicare and Welfare reform.
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Independent? Name one thing you'd align yourself with the right on :p
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Independent? Name one thing you'd align yourself with the right on :p
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Pretty much anything fiscal. I am not a tax and spend liberal by any means I want to cut funding to a ton of things. (where I differ from the Right is I want to end the Wars and cut defense spending in half along with Medicare Reform, Welfare Reform) Now I don't support tax cuts to the rich but I do support tax breaks for businesses but not across the board. I don't like Big Government at all. I don't want to abolish the Federal Government because there are some things it needs to be a part of, but it has overreached too far the last 2 presidencies. I support Nuclear Energy and the abolishment of the Feds involvement in education. I dislike Unions. Need I say more?

Hell even my liberal views are of a conservative tilt. I believe in Gay Marriage partially for Civil Rights reasons but also because it shouldn't be the Government's job to say who has the right to marry and who doesn't. I think if the GOP didn't pander to the Christian Moralists they would see it as such too. (I have a friend who is a die hard Reagan Conservative and that is his stance)

I have no allegiance to any party, nor will I ever. I have voted for Repubs, Dems, Libertarians and Green Party. I vote on the Candidate, not which bunch of wackos give him money.
 
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Handyman said:
Pretty much anything fiscal. I am not a tax and spend liberal by any means I want to cut funding to a ton of things. (where I differ from the Right is I want to end the Wars and cut defense spending in half along with Medicare Reform, Welfare Reform) Now I don't support tax cuts to the rich but I do support tax breaks for businesses but not across the board. I don't like Big Government at all. I don't want to abolish the Federal Government because there are some things it needs to be a part of, but it has overreached too far the last 2 presidencies. I support Nuclear Energy and the abolishment of the Feds involvement in education. I dislike Unions. Need I say more?

Hell even my liberal views are of a conservative tilt. I believe in Gay Marriage partially for Civil Rights reasons but also because it shouldn't be the Government's job to say who has the right to marry and who doesn't. I think if the GOP didn't pander to the Christian Moralists they would see it as such too. (I have a friend who is a die hard Reagan Conservative and that is his stance)

I have no allegiance to any party, nor will I ever. I have voted for Repubs, Dems, Libertarians and Green Party. I vote on the Candidate, not which bunch of wackos give him money.
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Yeah, I was only half joking.
 
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