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Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

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ScoobyDoo said:
So, it's finger pointing when the person or group on the other end of the finger is responsible?

See, that's the fun thing about whining about finger pointing. No one is culpable.
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The oil spill was BPs fault. I don't think anyone has denied this. BP will accept the blame, they are going to pay, and pay through the nose- as they should.

However, the President posturing and talking about his "boot heel on the throat of BP" does nothing to help stop the flow of oil, or to clean up the Gulf, which is what Rand Paul was saying.
 
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WeWantMore said:
The oil spill was BPs fault. I don't think anyone has denied this. BP will accept the blame, they are going to pay, and pay through the nose- as they should.

However, the President posturing and talking about his "boot heel on the throat of BP" does nothing to help stop the flow of oil, or to clean up the Gulf, which is what Rand Paul was saying.
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BP denied it in front of Congress. BP, Transocean, and Halliburton all blamed and pointed fingers at one of the others.

BP has not accepted blame. Not in the least.
 
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The GOP must realize by now that the Tea Party movement has nothing to do with their party.
This cartoon says it all.
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ScoobyDoo said:
BP denied it in front of Congress. BP, Transocean, and Halliburton all blamed and pointed fingers at one of the others.

BP has not accepted blame. Not in the least.
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Agree with Scooby here. Their testimony cast blame on everybody else and they wouldn't commit to compensation for what ocurred on their watch. Time will tell if they make good but for right now they should be forced to go on the record with what they plan on doing, not the vague promises to take care of the probem that we're getting now.

Its sorta like the Massey energy thing. Its not the gubmint's fault your mines are unsafe. Its your fault because you own it.

geezer - Funny!
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
BP denied it in front of Congress. BP, Transocean, and Halliburton all blamed and pointed fingers at one of the others.

BP has not accepted blame. Not in the least.
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Fine. Maybe I went a little too far with that point. However, the point that Paul makes still stands.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Fine. Maybe I went a little too far with that point. However, the point that Paul makes still stands.
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BS

Speaking on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” the libertarian iconoclast said the castigation of BP’s response to the oil gusher on the floor of the Gulf of Mexico was an attack on business and part of the “blame game,” where tragedy is “always someone’s fault.”
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BP acts like this was an accident. Rand Paul acts like it was an accident. 60 Minutes on Sunday in an interview with one of the workers on the platform and the documents that have been floated show negligence on BP's part. This wasn't a tragedy. This was a crime.

Rand Paul couldn't be more wrong in this case.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
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BP acts like this was an accident. Rand Paul acts like it was an accident. 60 Minutes on Sunday in an interview with one of the workers on the platform and the documents that have been floated show negligence on BP's part. This wasn't a tragedy. This was a crime.

Rand Paul couldn't be more wrong in this case.
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Well, technically if it was negligence it must have been an accident - negligence by definition means there's a lack of intent. I don't think anyone's saying BP intentionally spilled hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil.

Whether it's a crime or not, eh, it can probably fit under a willful disregard/criminal negligence theory for something. Though I have some issues with the entire concept of criminal negligence, since in legal terms, there's no "mens rea" (mental state) needing to be punished.
 
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unofan said:
Well, technically if it was negligence it must have been an accident - negligence by definition means there's a lack of intent. I don't think anyone's saying BP intentionally spilled hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil.

Whether it's a crime or not, eh, it can probably fit under a willful disregard/criminal negligence theory for something. Though I have some issues with the entire concept of criminal negligence, since in legal terms, there's no "mens rea" (mental state) needing to be punished.
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Fair enough. What I'm getting at is it was a forseeable accident. I'm not a lawyer.
 
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Rover said:
Agree with Scooby here. Their testimony cast blame on everybody else and they wouldn't commit to compensation for what ocurred on their watch. Time will tell if they make good but for right now they should be forced to go on the record with what they plan on doing, not the vague promises to take care of the probem that we're getting now.
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Um - just spitballing here, but perhaps they should wait to determine the actual cost of compensating the various affected parties before they start writing checks willy-nilly?

Nah, that'd be crazy, and besides, it wouldn't fit with the "evil corporations must pay NOW" mentality.
 
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LynahFan said:
Um - just spitballing here, but perhaps they should wait to determine the actual cost of compensating the various affected parties before they start writing checks willy-nilly?

Nah, that'd be crazy, and besides, it wouldn't fit with the "evil corporations must pay NOW" mentality.
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Having actually watched the testimony, I don't expect them to say "we'll cover any and all costs associated with this" for fear of someone eating a Gulf shrimp 10 years from now and suing them for his indigestion. However, what they 'could' have said was "we'll pay any cost associated with getting the oil out of the ocean and anything that reaches shore upfront, and we'll pursue any other company we feel is partly responsible through the court system afterwards".

What happens on their watch, they're responsible for.
 
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Latest Rasmussen poll on Arkansas Senate Race:
Boozman 66% Lincoln 28%.

It's like he's not even trying to be impartial anymore:D
 
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WeWantMore said:
Latest Rasmussen poll on Arkansas Senate Race:
Boozman 66% Lincoln 28%.

It's like he's not even trying to be impartial anymore:D
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It's probably right. It's just too early. Boozman was effectively unopposed. Lincoln's in a knock-down, drag-out fight for the primary. Her Dem opponents are much more likely to poll in her favor in a few months than they are right now, in the heat of battle.
 
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Rover said:
Having actually watched the testimony, I don't expect them to say "we'll cover any and all costs associated with this" for fear of someone eating a Gulf shrimp 10 years from now and suing them for his indigestion. However, what they 'could' have said was "we'll pay any cost associated with getting the oil out of the ocean and anything that reaches shore upfront, and we'll pursue any other company we feel is partly responsible through the court system afterwards".

What happens on their watch, they're responsible for.
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Where's the profit in that?
 
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Rover said:
A minor point, but turns out Blumenthal WAS on Harvard's swim team after all, according to the school's yearbook...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5477931&id=121735358063

While this doesn't dimish what he said, this sure looks like the reporter did a sloppy job and has an axe to grind.
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very bad reportage. but I stand still outraged over the Vietnam service.
throw the bum out!!
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Rand Paul has backed out of Meet the Press.

What a *****.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/rand_paul_cancels_meet_the_pre.html
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I've always thought Ron Paul was wrapped too tightly and it seems his son shares that trait. You can rest assured Democrats will try to link every Republican candidate for the Congress to Paul (I'd certainly do it, gotta change the subject from certain other problems out there).

In 2010 how can any serious person say they are against the '64 Civil Rights act (in whole or in part)? This is a closed subject, as is the '65 Voting Rights Act.

His perspective here is NOT conservative, it is whatever he is, Libertarian or Flat Earth or whatever. David Duke used to call himself a Republican, he was not. Certain other badnicks over time have called themselves Democrats, they were not.
 
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huskyfan said:
very bad reportage. but I stand still outraged over the Vietnam service.
throw the bum out!!
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Yeah, very sloppy. But not in the same league as claiming (multiple times) to have been a Vietnam vet. Whether he was on the Harvard swim team or fencing team or chess club should be reported accurately, but any of those are hardly the credentials upon which a sane person would base a vote for US Senate 40 years later.
 
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geezer said:
The GOP must realize by now that the Tea Party movement has nothing to do with their party.
This cartoon says it all.
Oops!
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Gee... the left seems to spend a lot of time trying to tie the tea party to racism... shouldn't they be spending that time figuring out how to operate more efficiently and scale back government so we can live within our means?

BTW, please... please... please... keep insulting the mainstream american people... you win a lot of friends that way.
 
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