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Death to the Incumbent! Part Two: Now with more Death.

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WeWantMore said:
That would be very interesting to watch, not least because I think it could really fire up 3rd party talk among conservatives. I mean, the Tea Party works for 2 years to vote out liberals and "RINOs", and then when the GOP gets close to power they invite some more of them into the party? That'll go over really well I'm sure.
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The only way the Tea Party matters in 2012 is if the economy stays in the tank. If that happens, ALL incumbents are potentially screwed (again), GOP or Dem. There's no sense in the GOP making decisions to try to "hold on" to the Tea Party - they'll either melt into the pot of GOP voters (if the economy improves) or vote out the incumbent Congress in 2012 (if it doesn't). Either way, it's largely out of the GOP's control.
 
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LynahFan said:
The only way the Tea Party matters in 2012 is if the economy stays in the tank. If that happens, ALL incumbents are potentially screwed (again), GOP or Dem. There's no sense in the GOP making decisions to try to "hold on" to the Tea Party - they'll either melt into the pot of GOP voters (if the economy improves) or vote out the incumbent Congress in 2012 (if it doesn't). Either way, it's largely out of the GOP's control.
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I don't see the TP endorsing any but the occasional freak Dem. If they are going to vote out incumbent Republicans its going to be by primarying them, in which case the GOP still owns their November vote.

The interesting cases will be what they do when the TP candidate loses the nomination: grab their ankles and vote GOP anyway, go rogue and write in their Quixote, or sit it out.

The economy will probably be mixed in 2012 -- business and the market rebounding but employment lagging and budget cuts hitting local services. The TP may metastasize into a Corporate-Populist-Militarist movement at that point, and hopefully even the GOP knows that spells trouble in Weimarland.
 
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My first instinct is to think seniors are having problems with the machines. I think we made a mistake after "Florida." Punch card/paper ballots leave a paper trail, and presuming there's no changing of the rules during a recount (which with Democrats is a huge leap of faith) that's what I prefer.

On the other hand, SEIU thugs showed their devotion to democratic ideals when they stomped that African American dude last sumer (far more violently than the dyke with the long blond wig the other day in Louisville, BTW). And in Florida, the counties had written rules about what constituted a valid ballot, the "chads" had to be punched through, period. But, during the recount, those rules were changed, ignored, discarded. Oops.

And a police road block a MILE away from a polling place was cited as "evidence" of Jeb Bush's vaunted voter suppression effort. Never mind the fact that the AA turnout in Florida was up 60% in 2000 as compared to '96!

I grew up in Chicagoland, during the rule of Mayor Daly I. Although those were pre-computer, pre-postcard registration, pre-early voting days, the Daly machine was quite adept at producing the desired result. Recall: the first person who spent the night in the Lincoln bedroom as guest of JFK was. . .Dick Daly.

While it's a good idea to be alert to voting manipulation by Democrats in big cities, I haven't seen anything YET that makes me suspicious. But we've got a way to go. There's an evidently tight senate race in Washington between Murray and Rossi. Rossi knows everything he need to about ballots being "found" in King County long after the voting had stopped. I'm guessing there's a closet full of provisional ballots just waiting to be "found" in case Murray needs 'em.
 
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That's a good rant, except it was Dems asking for a system with a paper trail and the Bush cronies who said oh no, too expensive, not technically feasible, nothing to see here move along.

That was one of the funniest excesses of the Unmourned Regime -- to protect against even a hint of the impropriety of their little coup, they sentenced us to live without real audit processes for the next decade plus of elections. Nice priorities those guys had.
 
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Kepler said:
That's a good rant, except it was Dems asking for a system with a paper trail and the Bush cronies who said oh no, too expensive, not technically feasible, nothing to see here move along.

That was one of the funniest excesses of the Unmourned Regime -- to protect against even a hint of the impropriety of their little coup, they sentenced us to live without real audit processes for the next decade plus of elections. Nice priorities those guys had.
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Speaking of rants. Uh, I have my own opinions about things. Generally don't check with Crawford first, okay? And Diebold stole Ohio, right? And despite your verbal deterity and customary efforts to change the subject, it's STILL big city Democrats who try to steal elections EVERY SINGLE TIME. To deny this is an exercise in fatuous nonsense.
 
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Washington's weird with their vote by mail system.
It seems like that could be way too easily abused, regardless of party.
Also, how do they not get 80% turnout or higher? You literally have to check a box and walk to a mailbox.
 
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Old Pio said:
Speaking of rants. Uh, I have my own opinions about things. Generally don't check with Crawford first, okay? And Diebold stole Ohio, right?
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I'm sure if a company run by, say George Soros, owned the election machines you'd have no problem with that. Especially if Soros said in a letter that he was committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to Obama in 2012. Nothing to see here.
 
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More accusations from Angle.
Two days ago, the Democratic Secretary of State announced that voters can be provided "free food" at "voter turnout events." Harry Reid has been offering free food and, according to other reports, some Democratic allies such as teachers' unions are offering gift cards in return for a vote for Reid.
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Now, this week in Las Vegas, at our election hotline, we received reports that some teachers' union representatives were offering Starbucks cards to people to get them to vote for Harry Reid. It is even more disturbing and may be possible that they are using their influence and authority as educators to entice students on behalf of Reid.
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Priceless said:
I'm sure if a company run by, say George Soros, owned the election machines you'd have no problem with that. Especially if Soros said in a letter that he was committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to Obama in 2012. Nothing to see here.
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Let's see, how do we deconstruct this particular fever swamp delusion? How 'bout if the guy from Diebold actually could affect the outcome statewide (unproven) he'd probably not announce his intentions in advance? And how is one guy, a CEO, supposed to alter those machines, anyway? Working late at night? Or would he have some help? And like all conspiracies, none of his co-conspirators have been identified or confessed. Boy, they really must be loyal to the guy. You guys really do need to come up with another fairy tale to entertain yourselves on cold winter nightrs. The inference of subjective motivation from objective result is not evidence.

On the very day NPR canned Juan Williams for violating its "ethical standards," they accepted a pile of money from Soros to hire 100 new "reporters," whom we can assume will be "fair and balanced," right?
 
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Old Pio said:
Let's see, how do we deconstruct this particular fever swamp delusion? How 'bout if the guy from Diebold actually could affect the outcome statewide (unproven) he'd probably not announce his intentions in advance? And how is one guy, a CEO, supposed to alter those machines, anyway? Working late at night? Or would he have some help? And like all conspiracies, none of his co-conspirators have been identified or confessed. Boy, they really must be loyal to the guy. You guys really do need to come up with another fairy tale to entertain yourselves on cold winter nightrs.

On the very day NPR canned Juan Williams for violating its "ethical standards," they accepted a pile of money from Soros to hire 100 new "reporters," whom we can assume will be "fair and balanced," right?
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So you wouldn't have an issue with that. Great.
 
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Priceless said:
So you wouldn't have an issue with that. Great.
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It would be nice (but you apparantly think unnecessary) to have at least a sliver of evidence before you smear someone. And the sour grapes whining by Democrats in '04, absent any proof whatsoever, is also not evidence.

To answer your silly, non sequitor question, yes, if Soros were in the voting machine business I'd wonder if the machines could be rigged to produce a desired outcome. However, wondering isn't quite the same as asserting it as fact, is it? Some of my Democratic friends were obsessing about the guy from Diebold long before the balloting in '04. Again, since Democrats cheat every time they get the opportunity, when a Republican says "I'm going to do whatever I can to help Bush carry Ohio," they apply their own standards and assume he's intending to cheat. Evidence? None. It hasn't even been demonstrated that what you and the boys are (still?) having masturbatory fantasies about is even possible.
 
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Old Pio said:
It would be nice (but you apparantly think unnecessary) to have at least a sliver of evidence before you smear someone. And the sour grapes whining by Democrats in '04, absent any proof whatsoever, is also not evidence.

To answer your silly, non sequitor question, yes, if Soros were in the voting machine business I'd wonder if the machines could be rigged to produce a desired outcome. However, wondering isn't quite the same as asserting it as fact, is it? Some of my Democratic friends were obsessing about the guy from Diebold long before the balloting in '04. But Soros isn't in that business. And Diebold was a going, successful, enterprise long before voting machines came on the horizon. Again, since Democrats cheat every time they get the opportunity, when a Republican says "I'm going to do whatever I can to help Bush carry Ohio," they apply their own standards and assume he's intending to cheat. Evidence? None. It hasn't even been demonstrated that what you and the boys are having masturbatory fantasies about is even possible.
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I see someone's door is coming off its frame.
 
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Rimbaud said:
I see someone's door is coming off its frame.
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That depends on whom you're referencing. I'm not the one claiming a "vast right wing conspiracy" to steal Ohio from that phony, botoxed a*s*s*hole.
 
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Old Pio said:
That depends on whom you're referencing. I'm not the one claiming a "vast right wing conspiracy" to steal Ohio from that phony, botoxed a*s*s*hole.
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Nope, you're just someone who's inclined to believe that there's a vast SEIU run conspiracy to 'steal' Nevada for Harry Reid. And that in every major city, Democrats have committed fraud and have cheated in every single election, and that Republicans haven't done anything wrong...ever.
 
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Rimbaud said:
Nope, you're just someone who's inclined to believe that there's a vast SEIU run conspiracy to 'steal' Nevada for Harry Reid. And that in every major city, Democrats have committed fraud and have cheated in every single election, and that Republicans haven't done anything wrong...ever.
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And ACORN is going to use of army of Tony Romos to get Obama reelected.
 
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Rimbaud said:
Nope, you're just someone who's inclined to believe that there's a vast SEIU run conspiracy to 'steal' Nevada for Harry Reid. And that in every major city, Democrats have committed fraud and have cheated in every single election, and that Republicans haven't done anything wrong...ever.
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Your "brain" must be on automatic pilot. I said I'm inclined to believe the old folks in Nevada were having trouble with the machines. I also said: "I haven't seen anything YET that makes me suspicious." If I thought there was cheating going on, I would have said so. Evidently the plain language I used wasn't plain enough for you.

The only place where voter fraud on a significant level is possible is in big cities. Who runs them? My assertiion that Democrats try to steal every election they can is based on personal experience and the historical record. And while it's possible Republicans might cheat as much as Democrats do if they were in a position to do so, that hardly absolves the donkeys, does it?
 
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Old Pio said:
Does someone need advice on opening a "ho-house" in Clark county?
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You know that video was a fraud, right? Or are you still under the delusion that that was all on the level?
 
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