Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Or she nodded off from boredom.... brutal save percentage tonight...
Or she nodded off from boredom.... brutal save percentage tonight...
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D3 scores 2014-2015
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DelayedOffside
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Ok, 6 goals in one game 4 in the other, so I was little off. I hope this opens the eyes of those that do the rankings. SOS really has to have more weight with unbalanced schedules!
CrossCheck
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
YOu are 100% correct. Said the same thing a few weeks back when Oswego was getting votes...After Elmira and Platty, the ECAC West is soft as Charmin...all Oswego's wins were against mid to lower level teams. The one time they play a good team and it's a 10-0 weekend.
YOu are 100% correct. Said the same thing a few weeks back when Oswego was getting votes...After Elmira and Platty, the ECAC West is soft as Charmin...all Oswego's wins were against mid to lower level teams. The one time they play a good team and it's a 10-0 weekend.
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
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This is why Plattsburgh and Elmira both play a very tough non-conference schedule. They are aware of their conference's issues.
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This is why Plattsburgh and Elmira both play a very tough non-conference schedule. They are aware of their conference's issues.
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PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Not to make excuses for Oswego but playing the "top tier" teams in non-conference is very difficult. All of them like to schedule each other to strengthen their SOS and there are only so many games to go around.
Norwich for instance is booked solid with its eight non-conference games against Plattsburgh (2), Elmira (2), Amherst, Bowdoin, Utica, Middlebury. Who do you give up in that group? The only one that could possibly be subbed out is maybe Utica and until recent years, Utica has historically been better than Oswego.
Not to make excuses for Oswego but playing the "top tier" teams in non-conference is very difficult. All of them like to schedule each other to strengthen their SOS and there are only so many games to go around.
Norwich for instance is booked solid with its eight non-conference games against Plattsburgh (2), Elmira (2), Amherst, Bowdoin, Utica, Middlebury. Who do you give up in that group? The only one that could possibly be subbed out is maybe Utica and until recent years, Utica has historically been better than Oswego.
alternatecaptain
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Judging by Oswego's games against Plattsburgh and Elmira, I don't think anyone needs to worry about them making it to the championship game. Oswego was very good at winning close games in their conference, but they only won most of their games by 1-2 goals, and dominated no one. Oswego honestly could have lost to any team in the ECAC-West on any day, and it would not be a huge upset for the other team.
Overall the traditionally bottom teams in the ECAC West (Chatham, Buff State, Cortland) have all vastly improved, while the middle teams (Potsdam, Neumann, Utica, and even Oswego) have all taken a step back. I don't know if that means that overall the conference is weaker, or stronger. There are no guaranteed wins anymore unless you are Plattsburgh or Elmira.
If you remove Elmira and Plattsburgh from the conference, it becomes a very even playing field. Oswego is closer to last place William Smith in talent, than it is to Plattsburgh, or Elmira. Actually in fact, William Smith had much more competitive games with Elmira than Oswego did.
Judging by Oswego's games against Plattsburgh and Elmira, I don't think anyone needs to worry about them making it to the championship game. Oswego was very good at winning close games in their conference, but they only won most of their games by 1-2 goals, and dominated no one. Oswego honestly could have lost to any team in the ECAC-West on any day, and it would not be a huge upset for the other team.
Overall the traditionally bottom teams in the ECAC West (Chatham, Buff State, Cortland) have all vastly improved, while the middle teams (Potsdam, Neumann, Utica, and even Oswego) have all taken a step back. I don't know if that means that overall the conference is weaker, or stronger. There are no guaranteed wins anymore unless you are Plattsburgh or Elmira.
If you remove Elmira and Plattsburgh from the conference, it becomes a very even playing field. Oswego is closer to last place William Smith in talent, than it is to Plattsburgh, or Elmira. Actually in fact, William Smith had much more competitive games with Elmira than Oswego did.
HockeyEast33
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I know this isn't the right thread for this but I couldn't find the other one. With Lebanon Valley College announcing a D3 women's ice hockey program for 2016-2017, does that get the NCAA tournament to 9 teams?
I know this isn't the right thread for this but I couldn't find the other one. With Lebanon Valley College announcing a D3 women's ice hockey program for 2016-2017, does that get the NCAA tournament to 9 teams?
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
I added LVC to the new teams joining D3 for the new ECAC-NA conference to get 58 for 2015-16 (assuming no programs fold). That's 8.92. I may be missing programs joining D3, especially in the west region but I may have also forgotten a couple of East teams joining D3 in the next two seasons. I've listed all of the programs I know below if anyone wants to add.
It would take 59 teams to reach 9 for the current access ratio.
Adrian
Amherst
Augsburg
Bethel
Bowdoin
Buffalo State
Castleton State
Chatham
Colby
Concordia (Wis.)
Concordia-Moorhead
Connecticut College
Cortland State
Daniel Webster
Elmira
Finlandia
Gustavus Adolphus
Hamilton
Hamline
Lake Forest
Manhattanville
Marian
Mass-Boston
Middlebury
Neumann
New England College
Nichols
Norwich
Oswego State
Plattsburgh State
Plymouth State
Potsdam State
Salve Regina
Southern Maine
St. Benedict
St. Catherine
St. Mary's (Minn.)
St. Norbert
St. Olaf
St. Scholastica
St. Thomas
Stevenson
Trinity (Conn.)
University of New England
Utica
UW-Eau Claire
UW-River Falls
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Superior
Wesleyan
William Smith
Williams
Becker
Morrisville
Salem State
Johnson & Wales
LVC
Endicott
I added LVC to the new teams joining D3 for the new ECAC-NA conference to get 58 for 2015-16 (assuming no programs fold). That's 8.92. I may be missing programs joining D3, especially in the west region but I may have also forgotten a couple of East teams joining D3 in the next two seasons. I've listed all of the programs I know below if anyone wants to add.
It would take 59 teams to reach 9 for the current access ratio.
Adrian
Amherst
Augsburg
Bethel
Bowdoin
Buffalo State
Castleton State
Chatham
Colby
Concordia (Wis.)
Concordia-Moorhead
Connecticut College
Cortland State
Daniel Webster
Elmira
Finlandia
Gustavus Adolphus
Hamilton
Hamline
Lake Forest
Manhattanville
Marian
Mass-Boston
Middlebury
Neumann
New England College
Nichols
Norwich
Oswego State
Plattsburgh State
Plymouth State
Potsdam State
Salve Regina
Southern Maine
St. Benedict
St. Catherine
St. Mary's (Minn.)
St. Norbert
St. Olaf
St. Scholastica
St. Thomas
Stevenson
Trinity (Conn.)
University of New England
Utica
UW-Eau Claire
UW-River Falls
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Superior
Wesleyan
William Smith
Williams
Becker
Morrisville
Salem State
Johnson & Wales
LVC
Endicott
HockeyEast33
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
That's missing the 7 new teams starting next season and the season after. The list has all of the new teams I am aware of - 1 more and it's a nine team tourney - call your local non-participating D3 college
That's missing the 7 new teams starting next season and the season after. The list has all of the new teams I am aware of - 1 more and it's a nine team tourney - call your local non-participating D3 college
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
You're right...that's a bad one to miss too...
So looks like we're at 59.
Now is the NCAA actually obligated to add the 9th slot or it the access ratio just a target? Are there scenarios where they don't add it?
You're right...that's a bad one to miss too...
So looks like we're at 59.
Now is the NCAA actually obligated to add the 9th slot or it the access ratio just a target? Are there scenarios where they don't add it?
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Unless something changes they are obligated to add another team.
So it would appear as long as no one drops in 2016-17 the field will expand by one team. Good timing too because IIRC 2017-18 is the first year the ECAC North Atlantic conference will be eligible for an AQ, so we won't lose a Pool C at-large bid.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
New women's rankings are out. Trinity not only jumps into rankings, they pass Amherst! Didn't see that coming. Thought they would sneak into #6 spot. But, Trinity actually does pretty well in RNK with a 2-1-1 record vs. Middlebury/Amherst.
New women's rankings are out. Trinity not only jumps into rankings, they pass Amherst! Didn't see that coming. Thought they would sneak into #6 spot. But, Trinity actually does pretty well in RNK with a 2-1-1 record vs. Middlebury/Amherst.
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EAST
1 Elmira 23-1-1 23-1-1
2 Plattsburgh State 21-2-2 21-2-2
3 Middlebury 18-3-3 18-3-3
4 Norwich 15-4-2 18-4-3
5 Trinity (Connecticut) 13-6-2 15-6-2
6 Amherst 15-4-4 16-4-4
WEST
1 Adrian 20-1-4 20-1-4
2 Wisconsin-River Falls 21-3-1 21-3-1
3 Gustavus Adolphus 19-4-2 19-4-2
4 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 16-7-2 16-7-2
5 St. Norbert 15-6-4 15-6-4
6 Lake Forest 12-8-3 12-8-3
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Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Well, Trinity beats Amherst in every category except WIN%, which Amherst wins handily. The committee seems to like SOS and L25. I'm hoping the Plattsburgh/Middlebury switch is permanent. OK, what I'm really hoping is to climb the last rung in two weeks and beat Elmira and take over #1! But if not, #2 and #3 in the east seem destined to meet, so I'd rather have that game in Plattsburgh so I can attend!!!
Well, Trinity beats Amherst in every category except WIN%, which Amherst wins handily. The committee seems to like SOS and L25. I'm hoping the Plattsburgh/Middlebury switch is permanent. OK, what I'm really hoping is to climb the last rung in two weeks and beat Elmira and take over #1! But if not, #2 and #3 in the east seem destined to meet, so I'd rather have that game in Plattsburgh so I can attend!!!
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
How about the Adrian move to #1 in the West Region? Any one see this as foreshadowing a desire for a 4x4 split? Hard to imagine moving the #1 team out of region and busing them off to Elmira.
How about the Adrian move to #1 in the West Region? Any one see this as foreshadowing a desire for a 4x4 split? Hard to imagine moving the #1 team out of region and busing them off to Elmira.
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015
Barring upsets, it sets up a tidy 4W @ 1W matchup not requiring a flight, although I think if the top four were to make it, seed would be irrelevant to get the financial matchups it wanted. I'm also not sure Adrian at #1 really matters to the split. The matchup that would seem to matter (assuming no upsets - which as we know is pretty stupid to do!) is the E5 v. W4 for that last spot. New this week is Trinity taking over that spot. A quick look suggests UWSP wins WIN%, SOS & L25, while Trinity wins RNK. That suggests that a 4-4 split is definitely in the cards right now...
Barring upsets, it sets up a tidy 4W @ 1W matchup not requiring a flight, although I think if the top four were to make it, seed would be irrelevant to get the financial matchups it wanted. I'm also not sure Adrian at #1 really matters to the split. The matchup that would seem to matter (assuming no upsets - which as we know is pretty stupid to do!) is the E5 v. W4 for that last spot. New this week is Trinity taking over that spot. A quick look suggests UWSP wins WIN%, SOS & L25, while Trinity wins RNK. That suggests that a 4-4 split is definitely in the cards right now...