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D3 scores 2014-2015

Re: D3 scores 2014-2015

spwood said:
How about Trinity for #6? Record isn't great but they hold wins over Middlebury, Amherst, and St. Thomas. Each of those wins is more impressive than anything Oswego can bring to the table.
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But Plattsburgh and Elmira gain important 2 wins each with wins over ranked teams if Oswego is 6th.

Any who, I nailed the East rankings as they have debuted. EDIT: Whoops, skipped right over Middlebury being above Plattsburgh. didn't see that coming. So i was off one there.

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1	Elmira	21-1-1	21-1-1
2	Middlebury	18-2-3	18-2-3
3	Plattsburgh St.	19-2-2	19-2-2
4	Norwich	13-4-2	15-4-3
5	Amherst	14-3-4	15-3-4
6	Oswego St.	17-4-1	18-4-1
WEST			
1	Wisconsin-River Falls	20-3-1	20-3-1
2	Adrian	18-1-4	18-1-4
3	Gustavus Adolphus	18-3-2	18-3-2
4	Wisconsin-Stevens Point	16-7-2	16-7-2
5	Lake Forest	10-8-3	10-8-3
6	Wisconsin-Superior	15-9-0	15-9-0
 
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015

So much for the "help" in ranking Oswego. The weakness of the majority of the ECAC West seems to have dropped Plattsburgh below Middlebury, but that will be settled this weekend on the ice. The easy thing to do would be to just take Oswego's record and rank them, but I think the eye test would tell you that Trinity is the better team. Owsego's only two games against ranked teams all season are two losses to Plattsburgh. Again, that'll be settled on the ice when Oswego plays Elmira for a pair. Lose both of them and I think Oswego's days of being ranked will be over.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
But Plattsburgh and Elmira gain important 2 wins each with wins over ranked teams if Oswego is 6th.

Any who, I nailed the East rankings as they have debuted. EDIT: Whoops, skipped right over Middlebury being above Plattsburgh. didn't see that coming. So i was off one there.

Code: 
1	Elmira	21-1-1	21-1-1
2	Middlebury	18-2-3	18-2-3
3	Plattsburgh St.	19-2-2	19-2-2
4	Norwich	13-4-2	15-4-3
5	Amherst	14-3-4	15-3-4
6	Oswego St.	17-4-1	18-4-1
WEST			
1	Wisconsin-River Falls	20-3-1	20-3-1
2	Adrian	18-1-4	18-1-4
3	Gustavus Adolphus	18-3-2	18-3-2
4	Wisconsin-Stevens Point	16-7-2	16-7-2
5	Lake Forest	10-8-3	10-8-3
6	Wisconsin-Superior	15-9-0	15-9-0
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How can Lake Forest be ahead of UWS, and/or ranked alt all. UWS should be 5, and St. Norbert should be 6.
 
Re: D3 scores 2014-2015

spwood said:
So much for the "help" in ranking Oswego. The weakness of the majority of the ECAC West seems to have dropped Plattsburgh below Middlebury, but that will be settled this weekend on the ice. The easy thing to do would be to just take Oswego's record and rank them, but I think the eye test would tell you that Trinity is the better team. Owsego's only two games against ranked teams all season are two losses to Plattsburgh. Again, that'll be settled on the ice when Oswego plays Elmira for a pair. Lose both of them and I think Oswego's days of being ranked will be over.
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Plattsburgh also has tied Norwich and lost to Elmira twice. Middlebury beat Norwich and tied Elmira. That factors in too. Plus, Plattsburgh has two losses in their last 25 percent of season currently that isn't helping them.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Plattsburgh also has tied Norwich and lost to Elmira twice. Middlebury beat Norwich and tied Elmira. That factors in too. Plus, Plattsburgh has two losses in their last 25 percent of season currently that isn't helping them.
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Plattsburgh also beat Elmira and Norwich. The records are identical. It's irrelevant anyway as they play on Saturday. BTW, your last sentence just proves why the L25 metric is just absurd. Yes, Plattsburgh has two losses, but those two losses will disappear after the Middlebury game Saturday. So they matter today, but they won't matter in next weekend's ranking.

To review: #2 is up for grabs this weekend at Kenyon Arena!
 
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Any thoughts on the West Region rankings. Correct me if I am wrong, but having the WIACs #1, #4 and #6 says to me we may well see a 4-4 split again this season, with 2 WIAC Pool "C"s, notwithstanding a major upset in the conference playoffs.
 
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24checking said:
How can Lake Forest be ahead of UWS, and/or ranked alt all. UWS should be 5, and St. Norbert should be 6.
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Lake Fores is a definite head scratcher...I don't really see why UWS should be in there either, but I guess someone has to be.

Looking at Criteria

LFC vs UWS
.547 win % .625
161.6 SOS 150
1-6 Ranked 2-7
6-2-3 COP 7-6--mainly due to Superior's 4 losses to River Falls
1-3-1 last 25% 2-4
--- H2H ----

I think I have it at 3-2 for UWS...I'd think you could pretty much call results vs ranked and last 25% a tie, which would swing it to 2-1 LFC

LFC vs SNC
.547 win% .673
161.6 SOS 127.4
1-6 ranked 2-4-2 (a lot of those are LFC)
7-4-3 COP 10-3-3
1-3-1 last 25% 3-0-2
2-1 H2H 1-2

So SNC should win 4-2...but the 2 SNC loses are pretty big categories...so they might be waited more. I could be mistaken on these though I looked pretty quick. I'd think SNC almost wins the comparison against UWS as well
 
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obserbear said:
Any thoughts on the West Region rankings. Correct me if I am wrong, but having the WIACs #1, #4 and #6 says to me we may well see a 4-4 split again this season, with 2 WIAC Pool "C"s, notwithstanding a major upset in the conference playoffs.
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Probably will come down to Stevens Point vs Amherst Steven Point needs to sweep Superior in the WIAC semis and they will have a pretty good case. It looks like if Middlebury were to lose in the NESCAC tourney...they would get in over Stevens Point or anyone else from the West.

Adrian is within 500 miles of Elmira, but only within 500 miles of Stevens Point in the "other contenders" in the West. So if they only have 3 west teams, you would assume Adrian to Elmira and Gustavus at River Falls...in which I think Adrian kinda gets screwed

But if Stevens Point gets in...you probably have Stevens Point at Adrian and Gustavus at River Falls.

I would say the rankings indicate that River Falls is in.
 
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gojackets said:
Probably will come down to Stevens Point vs Amherst Steven Point needs to sweep Superior in the WIAC semis and they will have a pretty good case. It looks like if Middlebury were to lose in the NESCAC tourney...they would get in over Stevens Point or anyone else from the West.

Adrian is within 500 miles of Elmira, but only within 500 miles of Stevens Point in the "other contenders" in the West. So if they only have 3 west teams, you would assume Adrian to Elmira and Gustavus at River Falls...in which I think Adrian kinda gets screwed

But if Stevens Point gets in...you probably have Stevens Point at Adrian and Gustavus at River Falls.

I would say the rankings indicate that River Falls is in.
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Norwich does not look like the sure thing they have been in recent seasons. It could play out that they are in the Pool "C" hunt.
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
Who in the ECAC East is going to beat Norwich? Way more likely Amherst beats Middlebury in the NESCAC.
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The Cadets have not been the dominant force of past seasons. You run into a hot goalie and a bit of bad "puck luck" and they could be looking for a Pool "C" along with Stevens Point. I think Middlebury is solid in Pool "C" should that become their path, although Amherst really may need the auto-bid to advance into the NCAAs.
 
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obserbear said:
The Cadets have not been the dominant force of past seasons. You run into a hot goalie and a bit of bad "puck luck" and they could be looking for a Pool "C" along with Stevens Point. I think Middlebury is solid in Pool "C" should that become their path, although Amherst really may need the auto-bid to advance into the NCAAs.
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The inability to score for Norwich is a huge concern. When you look at there last three games it may appear that they were dominant because of the difference in shots.
The reality was weak defenses allowing indivisual efforts to just get pucks to the net. This team has made alot of goalies look spectacular because they don't move the puck well enough to get open looks. Maybe that's because of the large amount of Freshman, who know's, the one thing they'll never be accused of is not coming to play. They always skate and there more than willing to compete. If they make it to the final of ECAC playoffs I would think it will be vs Salve. Salve has a few players that can score the puck so if Norwich were to get down early it could be very interesting.
 
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Tjames said:
The inability to score for Norwich is a huge concern. When you look at there last three games it may appear that they were dominant because of the difference in shots.
The reality was weak defenses allowing indivisual efforts to just get pucks to the net. This team has made alot of goalies look spectacular because they don't move the puck well enough to get open looks. Maybe that's because of the large amount of Freshman, who know's, the one thing they'll never be accused of is not coming to play. They always skate and there more than willing to compete. If they make it to the final of ECAC playoffs I would think it will be vs Salve. Salve has a few players that can score the puck so if Norwich were to get down early it could be very interesting.
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Salve is a weird team...not great, but they do have a few snipers [they love to try and hit the long bomb and send a girl in on a breakaway]...and if the goalie is "on"...she is one of the best and could put up a 0 on anyone [but if she's off, not so much]. They have a punchers chance to advance.
 
CrossCheck said:
Salve is a weird team...not great, but they do have a few snipers [they love to try and hit the long bomb and send a girl in on a breakaway]...and if the goalie is "on"...she is one of the best and could put up a 0 on anyone [but if she's off, not so much]. They have a punchers chance to advance.
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Norwich is far from a lock. You have to score goals to win.

Young team working out the kinks that has potential to beat pretty much anybody if the goaltending is there. But without scoring, any team can beat them, see Southern Maine tie.
 
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Tell that to last year's Trinity men's team. #1 in the East until the final night and missing an 11-team field.

Now, I think they're probably safe, too, but I don't think anyone is in any position to be counting chickens for a while yet.
 
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gojackets said:
Even if that were the situation...I can't imagine the #1 team in the west not getting in.
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Is the scenario we are discussing not more about a 5-3 split with only one of the WIACs making the field, Adrian (presumably #2 in the West, and, no doubt, getting the shaft) shipped off to Elmira and the MIAC and WIAC facing off in the other quarter final? This is only relevant if a non auto bid East team (Middlebury/Amherst or Norwich) was knocking out the second of the WIAC teams. I never envisioned the #1 seed in the West not making it into Pool "C".
 
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I don't think the field is ever a true 1v8 - 2v7 - 3v6 and 4-5.
So Adrian to Elmira - they very well could be the true 8th seed by then. Maybe #2-3 in the west, thanks to a soft schedule but overall a case can be made for #8.
 
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