First of all I love your word "slop." It's awesome. Secondly I have more than a clue and until Wesly proves they are better than I think they are or as good as you think they are they are still an easy win for teams NOT on my slop list. Just because a team is in the NESCAC, which I agree is the best overall conference top to bottom, does not mean it can defeat most teams in other conferences. To infer that it does is very naive not to mention a little bit arrogant.
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D3 Hockey is back!
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First of all I love your word "slop." It's awesome. Secondly I have more than a clue and until Wesly proves they are better than I think they are or as good as you think they are they are still an easy win for teams NOT on my slop list. Just because a team is in the NESCAC, which I agree is the best overall conference top to bottom, does not mean it can defeat most teams in other conferences. To infer that it does is very naive not to mention a little bit arrogant.
HockeyEast33
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Wesleyan regularly defeats most of the teams in the other conferences on your list is the point and rarely are an EASY win for the better teams. Regardless, I would agree that yesterday's 9-0, 88-7 SOG (!!!!) shellacking of Johnson and Wales doesn't prove much but it is the worst a-- whooping they have gotten yet. More importantly, J&W only dressed 8 skaters last night according to collegehockeystats and then had a game ejection. These girls are going to get injured badly playing that much time.....just not good. They should have announced and gone live a couple of years later. What they have now is embarrassing and dangerous - it speaks poorly of the school and the athletic director.
Wesleyan regularly defeats most of the teams in the other conferences on your list is the point and rarely are an EASY win for the better teams. Regardless, I would agree that yesterday's 9-0, 88-7 SOG (!!!!) shellacking of Johnson and Wales doesn't prove much but it is the worst a-- whooping they have gotten yet. More importantly, J&W only dressed 8 skaters last night according to collegehockeystats and then had a game ejection. These girls are going to get injured badly playing that much time.....just not good. They should have announced and gone live a couple of years later. What they have now is embarrassing and dangerous - it speaks poorly of the school and the athletic director.
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You most likely stood alone in the rinks over the years as most of the morons do because your obviously a jerk well beyond this forum to write "anyone with a pulse can attend".
You most likely stood alone in the rinks over the years as most of the morons do because your obviously a jerk well beyond this forum to write "anyone with a pulse can attend".
gojackets
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gojackets
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Taking a look at last year...Wesleyan had 7 non-conference games. They played 5 games against ECAC-E opponents and 2 against Sacred Heart.
They beat Nichols and Plymouth State. (combined record last year 11-38-2)
They lost to Sacred Heart twice (7-15-3)
Split with Salve Regina (16-9-1) (won when Salve was doing poorly, lost when Salve was on a huge win streak)
Looking 2 years ago, they had 8 non-conference games
They beat NEC and Plymouth state (combined record of 9-40-2)
Lost to Holy Cross, Salve, Nichols--(combined record of 38-36-5)
Split with St. Kate (11-14-1)
Tied Sacred Heart (3-15-7)
Outside of St. Kates and Sacred Heart (D1ish) they haven't played anyone outside of the ECAC-E before this year.
So your claim that they "regularly defeat most of the teams in other conferences on your list" is completely not true. They've consistently beat Plymouth State...so has everyone else. Again...chalk it up to the mysticism of the NESCAC that teams regularly beat teams that they never play...
Taking a look at last year...Wesleyan had 7 non-conference games. They played 5 games against ECAC-E opponents and 2 against Sacred Heart.
They beat Nichols and Plymouth State. (combined record last year 11-38-2)
They lost to Sacred Heart twice (7-15-3)
Split with Salve Regina (16-9-1) (won when Salve was doing poorly, lost when Salve was on a huge win streak)
Looking 2 years ago, they had 8 non-conference games
They beat NEC and Plymouth state (combined record of 9-40-2)
Lost to Holy Cross, Salve, Nichols--(combined record of 38-36-5)
Split with St. Kate (11-14-1)
Tied Sacred Heart (3-15-7)
Outside of St. Kates and Sacred Heart (D1ish) they haven't played anyone outside of the ECAC-E before this year.
So your claim that they "regularly defeat most of the teams in other conferences on your list" is completely not true. They've consistently beat Plymouth State...so has everyone else. Again...chalk it up to the mysticism of the NESCAC that teams regularly beat teams that they never play...
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Well, eventually almost every discussion by a NESCAC backer always ends up in elitist snob territory. Ever wonder why people don't like the NESCAC backers, Crosscheck, reread the sentence you wrote above. My "anyone with a pulse" degree has served me very well over the years... and I don't have to hold a glass with my pinky raised - ever...
Well, eventually almost every discussion by a NESCAC backer always ends up in elitist snob territory. Ever wonder why people don't like the NESCAC backers, Crosscheck, reread the sentence you wrote above. My "anyone with a pulse" degree has served me very well over the years... and I don't have to hold a glass with my pinky raised - ever...
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gojackets
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The sentence is also rife with grammar and spelling mistakes. One would think that a hoity-toity NESCAC supporter would have a grasp of the English language.
The sentence is also rife with grammar and spelling mistakes. One would think that a hoity-toity NESCAC supporter would have a grasp of the English language.
CrossCheck
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Shelfie...i like the spunk...but I never inferred [SAT word] that Wesly "can defeat most teams in other conferences"...just that they are not to be lumped in with the rest of the Slop as you inferred.....all the nescac teams can play. I never said they are all top ten...just that they really have no 'weak sisters' in the context of the rest of the Confs out there.]
Shelfie...i like the spunk...but I never inferred [SAT word] that Wesly "can defeat most teams in other conferences"...just that they are not to be lumped in with the rest of the Slop as you inferred.....all the nescac teams can play. I never said they are all top ten...just that they really have no 'weak sisters' in the context of the rest of the Confs out there.]
CrossCheck
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Agree 100% [wait...what is going on here...thats a few times I've agreed with 33Eastie....must be a full moon or I walked under a ladder?]
Agree 100% [wait...what is going on here...thats a few times I've agreed with 33Eastie....must be a full moon or I walked under a ladder?]
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For the record....Acceptance Rates @ Platty 49%; @ Norwich 66%!! So tell me again how tough it is to get a hockey puck past Admissions Dept?
Ok, Mr. Moron...Next. [by the way, it's "you're" not "your"....but of course, you knew that.
For the record....Acceptance Rates @ Platty 49%; @ Norwich 66%!! So tell me again how tough it is to get a hockey puck past Admissions Dept?
Ok, Mr. Moron...Next. [by the way, it's "you're" not "your"....but of course, you knew that.
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The only thing I saw was "passed" instead of "past" admissions. To your credit you used "past" in your 10:17 post.
The only thing I saw was "passed" instead of "past" admissions. To your credit you used "past" in your 10:17 post.
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But they are to be lumped in because the only teams they beat out of conference are also slop with very rare exception. They have to prove themselves in a better way than that. If they had regularly played and beaten teams that aren't on my slop list then I would agree with you but that's simply not the case at all. Sacred Heart is most definitely NOT a D1 caliber team. They don't even beat many D3 teams anymore. Heck they just lost to URI for crying out loud and URI is just a club team! Is Wesly going to boast about beating Sacred Heart?!?! I sure as heck hope not! Most good D3 teams don't even bother scheduling them anymore because it's a total waste to play them.
But they are to be lumped in because the only teams they beat out of conference are also slop with very rare exception. They have to prove themselves in a better way than that. If they had regularly played and beaten teams that aren't on my slop list then I would agree with you but that's simply not the case at all. Sacred Heart is most definitely NOT a D1 caliber team. They don't even beat many D3 teams anymore. Heck they just lost to URI for crying out loud and URI is just a club team! Is Wesly going to boast about beating Sacred Heart?!?! I sure as heck hope not! Most good D3 teams don't even bother scheduling them anymore because it's a total waste to play them.
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HockeyEast33
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1. 2014-2015 - Wesleyan BEAT Sacred Heart twice last season, not lost. That makes them 5-2 last season out of conference with losses to Holy Cross and Salve Regina which are both pretty solid programs.
2. 2013-2014 - You got it right - 3-4-1.
3. 2012-2013 - 4-3 out of conference.
Combined over the last 3 seasons they are 12-9-1. That constitutes "regularly defeat most of the teams in other conferences on your list" since as you note Holy Cross and Salve Regina aren't on the list. Two of those seasons they were the last place team in the NESCAC. Please show me another conference where the last place team has a winning out of conference record. Any one would do. The NESCAC is clearly the strongest conference top to bottom, which was the original point of this discussion. Sorry that your anti-NESCAC bias prevents you from seeing that.
1. 2014-2015 - Wesleyan BEAT Sacred Heart twice last season, not lost. That makes them 5-2 last season out of conference with losses to Holy Cross and Salve Regina which are both pretty solid programs.
2. 2013-2014 - You got it right - 3-4-1.
3. 2012-2013 - 4-3 out of conference.
Combined over the last 3 seasons they are 12-9-1. That constitutes "regularly defeat most of the teams in other conferences on your list" since as you note Holy Cross and Salve Regina aren't on the list. Two of those seasons they were the last place team in the NESCAC. Please show me another conference where the last place team has a winning out of conference record. Any one would do. The NESCAC is clearly the strongest conference top to bottom, which was the original point of this discussion. Sorry that your anti-NESCAC bias prevents you from seeing that.
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HockeyEast33
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Your criteria for being off the list now appears that you have to regularly beat teams that are not on the list. If a team regularly beats teams on the list, why would they be lumped in with them - I just disagree with that. Also, with the exception of 2 years ago, SC is generally a middling D3 team. I don't generally think of them as a slop school (although their "we're a D1 school" BS is annoying for sure). Anyway, I'm done with the list and defending Wesleyan's honor at this point - the bigger point is that the NESCAC is the deepest conference.
Your criteria for being off the list now appears that you have to regularly beat teams that are not on the list. If a team regularly beats teams on the list, why would they be lumped in with them - I just disagree with that. Also, with the exception of 2 years ago, SC is generally a middling D3 team. I don't generally think of them as a slop school (although their "we're a D1 school" BS is annoying for sure). Anyway, I'm done with the list and defending Wesleyan's honor at this point - the bigger point is that the NESCAC is the deepest conference.
gojackets
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As Shelfit said, Sacred Heart doesn't really count anyway. They are 3-1-1 against Sacred Heart over those years.
The rest of their non-conference opponents the last 3 years...
Plymouth State (3-0)
Nichols (2-1)
Holy Cross (0-3)
Salve Regina (1-3)
NEC (2-0)
St. Kate (1-1)
Again...they've had games against 6 different Division 3 opponents the last 3 years, 5 of which were in the ECAC-E. They consistently beat Plymouth State (who is 13-56-8 over that stretch) and NEC (12-58-7). So you could say, "Wesleyan consistently beats the bottom of the ECAC-E" but you can't say they "regularly beat most teams in other conferences" as they only consistently play teams from 1 conference.
You're right. They are the only last place team to have a winning record out of conference, but they play the "slop" and win.
St. Olaf finished last in the MIAC last year. Their none conference schedule included Stevens Point x 2, River Falls, Eau Claire, Conn College, and Williams. (Eau Claire is in the "slop" but I disagree.)
Finlandia finished last in the NCHA last year--they only had 3 non-conference games 2 against UW-Superior and 1 against Concordia-WI...both of which had winning records.
Eau Claire Finished last in the WIAC (Bethel x 2, St Thomas, St. Kate x 2, Hamline x 2, CSS, Augsburg, St. Mary's, St. Olaf) The 3 "slop" teams on the list Hamline, Olaf, and to an extent St. Kate they beat.
I'm pretty sure Eau Claire and Olaf would beat Plymouth State. Doubtful on Finlandia.
As Shelfit said, Sacred Heart doesn't really count anyway. They are 3-1-1 against Sacred Heart over those years.
The rest of their non-conference opponents the last 3 years...
Plymouth State (3-0)
Nichols (2-1)
Holy Cross (0-3)
Salve Regina (1-3)
NEC (2-0)
St. Kate (1-1)
Again...they've had games against 6 different Division 3 opponents the last 3 years, 5 of which were in the ECAC-E. They consistently beat Plymouth State (who is 13-56-8 over that stretch) and NEC (12-58-7). So you could say, "Wesleyan consistently beats the bottom of the ECAC-E" but you can't say they "regularly beat most teams in other conferences" as they only consistently play teams from 1 conference.
You're right. They are the only last place team to have a winning record out of conference, but they play the "slop" and win.
St. Olaf finished last in the MIAC last year. Their none conference schedule included Stevens Point x 2, River Falls, Eau Claire, Conn College, and Williams. (Eau Claire is in the "slop" but I disagree.)
Finlandia finished last in the NCHA last year--they only had 3 non-conference games 2 against UW-Superior and 1 against Concordia-WI...both of which had winning records.
Eau Claire Finished last in the WIAC (Bethel x 2, St Thomas, St. Kate x 2, Hamline x 2, CSS, Augsburg, St. Mary's, St. Olaf) The 3 "slop" teams on the list Hamline, Olaf, and to an extent St. Kate they beat.
I'm pretty sure Eau Claire and Olaf would beat Plymouth State. Doubtful on Finlandia.
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gojackets
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If you are going to list that many of the MIAC teams than every ECAC-W team outside of Plattsburgh/Elmira should be included. You have 7 of 10 teams listed as "slop" in the MIAC... That "possibly" Bethel team beat Gustavus twice last year and played St. Thomas tight all 3 games.
Eau Claire would beat a lot of the "slop" in other conferences.
If you are going to list that many of the MIAC teams than every ECAC-W team outside of Plattsburgh/Elmira should be included. You have 7 of 10 teams listed as "slop" in the MIAC... That "possibly" Bethel team beat Gustavus twice last year and played St. Thomas tight all 3 games.
Eau Claire would beat a lot of the "slop" in other conferences.
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And legends in your own minds....
Maybe the overall point is that there is a LOT of slop in women's D3 hockey.....and that the NESCAC is the deepest conference from top to bottom.....and that we're the smartest posters on this site.
And legends in your own minds....