D3 Decisions: Running up the score

[5 4 Fighting]

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Bowdoin (9-7-2) over Plymouth State (0-17-0)... 15 - 0.

In this case Bowdoin scores 15 goals on 34 shots including two shortys?

I don't care how many lifes lessons are learned from getting scores run up & getting beat up every night...that's gotta be getting old.

 

[Phil D. Stands]

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Oh Oh.......Bowdoin 15 and Plymouth State 0

Dang! Just when I thought I'd get some sleep

Ridonkulous

Bowdoin takes as many penalties as it allows shots on goal --- that's lame (unless they were looking to work their PP -- wait, they scored 2 SH goals -- nevermind - that's just pretentious)

You out-shoot them and out-penalty them -- I draw the line there, at least play by the rules if it's that much of a mismatch.

 

[Sk8dog]

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look at the boxscore -- Bowdoin only took 9 shots in the 3rd period. They laid down as it was. We can argue they should have laid down earlier, but it could have been a lot worse.

 

[FranchisePlayer]

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Bowdoin (9-7-2) over Plymouth State (0-17-0)... 15 - 0.

In this case Bowdoin scores 15 goals on 34 shots including two shortys?

I don't care how many lifes lessons are learned from getting scores run up & getting beat up every night...that's gotta be getting old.

Yeah.... I don't even know what to say. Except that there are a lot of teams that should expect no mercy after Plymouth gets through recruiting. I don't think any of us will disagree that when Plymouth has the chance to go up big on any of these teams that they shold double-shift the first line, pull the goalie on delayed penalties, work on offensive zone faceoff plays, and call a time out with less than a minute to go to rest the players so they can get one more goal. What goes around comes around...

 

[5 4 Fighting]

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Yeah.... I don't even know what to say. Except that there are a lot of teams that should expect no mercy after Plymouth gets through recruiting. I don't think any of us will disagree that when Plymouth has the chance to go up big on any of these teams that they shold double-shift the first line, pull the goalie on delayed penalties, work on offensive zone faceoff plays, and call a time out with less than a minute to go to rest the players so they can get one more goal. What goes around comes around...

Well I know what to say...Shame, Shame, Shame.


So now it's... let's encourage the teams that get the bejesus beat out of them to get better through recruiting and then start the cycle over again by beating the bejesus out of another team and so on and so on and so on....

I finding that reasoning really hard to follow.

 

[creasemonkey]

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Bowdoin (9-7-2) over Plymouth State (0-17-0)... 15 - 0.

In this case Bowdoin scores 15 goals on 34 shots including two shortys?

I don't care how many lifes lessons are learned from getting scores run up & getting beat up every night...that's gotta be getting old.

Here we go again. I just can't seem to stay away from this thread. Just 4 years before winning the national championship Amherst lost to Bowdoin 9-3. The year prior they lost a game 10-2 and a conference playoff game to Midd by the score of 9-0. Obviously Amherst took something away from these losses - and they got better. They didn't get better by pointing the finger at Bowdoin or Middlebury, they got better by hiring a new coach who set high expectations for himself and hthe members of his team. He did his job to set the stage for success by recruiting good, talented players who had the desire to put in the effort to get better both individually and as a team. I have seen some young women on the Amherst team make immeasurable strides in their level of play over the past two years because they have worked harder and harder, every step of the way, to improve every aspect of their game.

New teams like Plymouth State and Potsdam State can do the same, but it's not going to happen over night and not without some very difficult challenges ahead (to include being blown out consistently or a few times). It's the mettle people are made of that will determine whether a team will get better, or not. This, of course, is only MY philsosophy, so you can take it or leave it.

 

[GoBucky36]

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I have no problem with a team running up the score. I dont believe in being, "nice" and killing the clock when you have a big lead. If you are the team getting blow out and dont like the other team doing it to you, I say do something to stop it instead of whining about it.

 

[gojackets]

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I have no problem with a team running up the score. I dont believe in being, "nice" and killing the clock when you have a big lead. If you are the team getting blow out and dont like the other team doing it to you, I say do something to stop it instead of whining about it.

i agree...maybe teams should forfeit to plymouth state to avoid beating them too badly.

Where do we draw the line between whats acceptable and whats not? No one gets on Elmira for beating Potsdam 9-0, or River Falls for beating Finlandia 10-1.

 

[FranchisePlayer]

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Well I know what to say...Shame, Shame, Shame.


So now it's... let's encourage the teams that get the bejesus beat out of them to get better through recruiting and then start the cycle over again by beating the bejesus out of another team and so on and so on and so on....

I finding that reasoning really hard to follow.

What's hard to follow about it? Notice that I did not take Bowdoin to task for their margin ov victory, although I may very well add an amendment to my philosophy - if the opposing coach is an alumnus, I would probably keep the margin of victory below ten goals. I know it's arbitrary and probably sounds counter to my earlier posts, but its the one exception that I would make. In any case, what is hard to understand - if a team feels comfortable enough to score 15 goals against a team, then they shold also be comfortable (and prepared) to face the same one day. I would certainly hope that these many lopsided victories serve as the greatest motivation for the Plymouth State players to work their tails off in the off-season and for the coaching staff to continue their recruting efforts. Given what I've heard and what has been posted about the new coach, the latter seems to be a safe a bet to actually happen.

 

[creasemonkey]

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Dang! Just when I thought I'd get some sleep

Ridonkulous

Bowdoin takes as many penalties as it allows shots on goal --- that's lame (unless they were looking to work their PP -- wait, they scored 2 SH goals -- nevermind - that's just pretentious)

You out-shoot them and out-penalty them -- I draw the line there, at least play by the rules if it's that much of a mismatch.

Inherently I don't have an issue with your statement, I would only mention however, that there have been countless posts on this site about substandard officiating. The penalties mounted up against Bowdoin could have been pity calls by the refs to try and give Plymouth State a fighting chance (and I'll go on record to say that I'm not in favor of that at all if that was the case). Was anyone there who might be able to elucidate?

 

[5 4 Fighting]

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What's hard to follow about it? Notice that I did not take Bowdoin to task for their margin ov victory, although I may very well add an amendment to my philosophy - if the opposing coach is an alumnus, I would probably keep the margin of victory below ten goals. I know it's arbitrary and probably sounds counter to my earlier posts, but its the one exception that I would make. In any case, what is hard to understand - if a team feels comfortable enough to score 15 goals against a team, then they shold also be comfortable (and prepared) to face the same one day. I would certainly hope that these many lopsided victories serve as the greatest motivation for the Plymouth State players to work their tails off in the off-season and for the coaching staff to continue their recruting efforts. Given what I've heard and what has been posted about the new coach, the latter seems to be a safe a bet to actually happen.

I guess my confusion lies in the first 2 short stories you wrote on the subject which seemed to fly in the face of the third.

You may be right about the alumnus but embarassingly enough that didn`t happen last night. I would also add that if the coach is what I refer to as a "Good Coach" then the problem doesn't exist. Houle at Platty, Fargo at EC and now McDonald at RIT after learning a lesson have all kept their scoring out of the teens against weaker opponents this year and did it in such a way as to not belittle the opposition.

The thing that strikes me about the Bowdoin - Plymouth State debacle is the shots on goal. The other blowout games have shot counts of 40 + and this game it appears that nearly every 1 out of 2 shots on net went in. Not being familiar with either team and by quickly perusing the box score it would appear that first the goalie gave up which when starting your 16th game in an 0-16-0 season can happen and then the team gave up allowing 2 short handed goals in the second half of the game.

The bigger question is how do you recruit good players to a school that may not win all season....that will be the challenge. Before everyone says ``but it`s their first year¨ have a look at the sub 500 teams that have had their programs around for a number of years. They are all challenged by not being able attract enough talent to get them out of the hole.

 

[FranchisePlayer]

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I guess my confusion lies in the first 2 short stories you wrote on the subject which seemed to fly in the face of the third.

You may be right about the alumnus but embarassingly enough that didn`t happen last night. I would also add that if the coach is what I refer to as a "Good Coach" then the problem doesn't exist. Houle at Platty, Fargo at EC and now McDonald at RIT after learning a lesson have all kept their scoring out of the teens against weaker opponents this year and did it in such a way as to not belittle the opposition.

The thing that strikes me about the Bowdoin - Plymouth State debacle is the shots on goal. The other blowout games have shot counts of 40 + and this game it appears that nearly every 1 out of 2 shots on net went in. Not being familiar with either team and by quickly perusing the box score it would appear that first the goalie gave up which when starting your 16th game in an 0-16-0 season can happen and then the team gave up allowing 2 short handed goals in the second half of the game.

The bigger question is how do you recruit good players to a school that may not win all season....that will be the challenge. Before everyone says ``but it`s their first year¨ have a look at the sub 500 teams that have had their programs around for a number of years. They are all challenged by not being able attract enough talent to get them out of the hole.

I get your message - no more short stories from me What is the method by which those "good" coaches keep the scoring down?

Unless the school has a compelling reason or reasons, I would agree that it's a huge challenge to recruit good players to a winless school. It really depends on the coach. If the coach can demonstrate their vision and commitment to build a program, it can certainly happen. If the school demonstrates a commitment to the program by building a state-of-the art rink, it can happen. If the school upgrades the schedule so that there are more quality teams on it, that can also attract players. All three of those things seem to be the case with Plymouth. Ultimately, if the coach is successful in making recruits feel good about the program and good about playing for the team, she'll land them. It's that simple.

 

[5 4 Fighting]

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I get your message - no more short stories from me What is the method by which those "good" coaches keep the scoring down?

Unless the school has a compelling reason or reasons, I would agree that it's a huge challenge to recruit good players to a winless school. It really depends on the coach. If the coach can demonstrate their vision and commitment to build a program, it can certainly happen. If the school demonstrates a commitment to the program by building a state-of-the art rink, it can happen. If the school upgrades the schedule so that there are more quality teams on it, that can also attract players. All three of those things seem to be the case with Plymouth. Ultimately, if the coach is successful in making recruits feel good about the program and good about playing for the team, she'll land them. It's that simple.

Ì Can not speak to each coaches method but I have seen D playing forward and forwards playing D in third periods. This approach does have some merit as injuries can occur and it`s nice to know who on your team can fill in when you need it. This and playing passivley at about the 10 goal mark can make the difference between a decisive win and a route into the teens.

Don`t get me wrong I`m as competative as the next guy but drubbing a team 15, 16, 17 - 0.... well no good can come from that.

I`m probably going to get tarred & feathered for this...but a good mix of Canadian girls in the lineup doesn`t hurt your teams winning chances. Plymouth has none.

To Ms. Corson Good Luck for the balance of the season and the years to come. I`ve played & coached on both sides of this fence and I know what your going through. Hang in there and BTW the next Alumni event you attend hold your head high, You are better than they are.

 

[creasemonkey]

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You may be right about the alumnus but embarassingly enough that didn`t happen last night. I would also add that if the coach is what I refer to as a "Good Coach" then the problem doesn't exist. Houle at Platty, Fargo at EC and now McDonald at RIT after learning a lesson have all kept their scoring out of the teens against weaker opponents this year and did it in such a way as to not belittle the opposition.

OK, first I think you need to do your homework before you make those statements. This in no way detracts from my opinion of Coach Houle since I think he's an exceptional coach but here are some Platty stats from previous years.

2002-2003
10-0 against Neumann
10-2 against Cortland
10-2 against my beloved Amherst
13-0 against Chatham (twice)

2003-2004
15-0 against Chatham
13-2 against Chatham
12-0 against Neumann
12-0 against Cortland

2004-2005
10-0 against Colby
13-0 against Chatham (twice)

That's as far as I went but lets be objective here. This was all under Coach Houle.

I'm not sure what you mean by learning a lesson either. If you're referring to comments on this board I don't think these coaches could care less what we have to say. They coach according to their own personal philosophies and I don't believe are influenced in the least by what we have to say, nor should they be. They probably laugh their butts off by most of the comments on this board (mine included).

 

[gojackets]

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I'm not sure what you mean by learning a lesson either. If you're referring to comments on this board I don't think these coaches could care less what we have to say. They coach according to their own personal philosophies and I don't believe are influenced in the least by what we have to say, nor should they be. They probably laugh their butts off by most of the comments on this board (mine included).

I believe it was 5-4 fighting...that said last weekend that RIT learned their lesson for bullying Plymouth State because they got beat by Plattsburgh last weekend....someone said it.

 

[5 4 Fighting]

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OK, first I think you need to do your homework before you make those statements. This in no way detracts from my opinion of Coach Houle since I think he's an exceptional coach but here are some Platty stats from previous years.

2002-2003
10-0 against Neumann
10-2 against Cortland
10-2 against my beloved Amherst
13-0 against Chatham (twice)

2003-2004
15-0 against Chatham
13-2 against Chatham
12-0 against Neumann
12-0 against Cortland

2004-2005
10-0 against Colby
13-0 against Chatham (twice)

That's as far as I went but lets be objective here. This was all under Coach Houle.

I'm not sure what you mean by learning a lesson either. If you're referring to comments on this board I don't think these coaches could care less what we have to say. They coach according to their own personal philosophies and I don't believe are influenced in the least by what we have to say, nor should they be. They probably laugh their butts off by most of the comments on this board (mine included).

I'm not here to defend anybodies past records I'm only going by what I've seen this year. If were being objective... I only see four scores in the teens (and I said teens) in your post so obviously some got away from him. I've met Houle and it is my personal assessment that he is not that type of a coach. Maybe I'm wrong.

Furthermore don't be nearsighted, more players and coaches read these boards than what you might think. Whether or not they are influenced by what is written here...it's hard to tell but everytime a firestorm has erupted over a score run up there has been a retraction in scoring the next time they are up against a weak opponent. The reason being...it is the coach who controls the situation, no one else. They know it isn't right so the next time they are in that situation they seem to take take their collective feet off the gas.

With respect to getting a good belly laugh at some of the posts on these boards, I'm all for it (including mine) and in fact there isn't enough of it. My point is getting wacked 17 times in one season is no laughing matter. Some here seem to get enjoyment out of that or having a team run the table on weaker opponents and to me the game of hockey doesn't need those people associated with it. I can however crack a smile when it does happen cause I'm a firm believer in Voo Doo....

 

[gojackets]

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I agree that Bowdoin might have taken it a little far...the last goal being short handed and all...

*I DIDN"T SEE WHAT HAPPENED

but assume if the puck squirted out, she got control of it, had a breakaway what is she supposed to do...

A) ice the puck
B) Slow down so they can catch up to her
C) Skate in shoot it lightly and pray the goalie stops it


Any of those options would **** me off if I were on the other team.

I'm guessing the PS ladies aren't enjoying their hockey season....but maybe they just want to play hockey and have a little fun

 

[5 4 Fighting]

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I agree that Bowdoin might have taken it a little far...the last goal being short handed and all...

*I DIDN"T SEE WHAT HAPPENED

but assume if the puck squirted out, she got control of it, had a breakaway what is she supposed to do...

A) ice the puck
B) Slow down so they can catch up to her
C) Skate in shoot it lightly and pray the goalie stops it


Any of those options would **** me off if I were on the other team.

I'm guessing the PS ladies aren't enjoying their hockey season....but maybe they just want to play hockey and have a little fun

How in the H-E double hockey sticks do you call that fun?

 

[nbound]

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How in the H-E double hockey sticks do you call that fun?

They're still playing the game they love. When it is no longer fun they'll quit. what's left after college hockey beside the real world?? Here's to hoping they have fun till they graduate

 

[5 4 Fighting]

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I believe it was 5-4 fighting...that said last weekend that RIT learned their lesson for bullying Plymouth State because they got beat by Plattsburgh last weekend....someone said it.

In future if anybody has a query to what I may or may not have said or infered on these boards please feel free to contact my assistant Go Jackets. He/She will be able to answer any and all of your inquiries.