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D3 Decisions: Running up the score

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My kid was on the losing side of a big blow out this weekend and I can tell you from her point of view - she got more frustrated at her own team (she is a goalie) then she was at the other team. She could list the mistakes made by her team by shot on net (including her own) and as a goalie, she doesn't want a team to let up because she knows that it is pity when they do. She was playing down a level, and the team she was against was up at the level of play she is used to, but after 50+ shots, she had just about had it with her team (and trust me, her team can be at times it's own worst enemy). Lets face it, playing better teams is the only way you get better, and some times it is your team that is better than the other team. The game before she got blown out, this same team spanked another team 7-0 and the coach told the girls to let up on this team during the final period. So we lived both ends of the spectrum in one week and I tell you what, my D was not happy at either end of the spectrum.
However, she picked herself up and is playing this week, she worked out her frustration and is ready to go again this week knowing that she will face another hot team on Saturday and is getting her game ready for another 50+ shot game. That is all you can do - PLAY THE GAME and work hard to improve so your team has a chance to win.
 
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posttopost2 said:
My kid was on the losing side of a big blow out this weekend and I can tell you from her point of view - she got more frustrated at her own team (she is a goalie) then she was at the other team. She could list the mistakes made by her team by shot on net (including her own) and as a goalie, she doesn't want a team to let up because she knows that it is pity when they do. She was playing down a level, and the team she was against was up at the level of play she is used to, but after 50+ shots, she had just about had it with her team (and trust me, her team can be at times it's own worst enemy). Lets face it, playing better teams is the only way you get better, and some times it is your team that is better than the other team. The game before she got blown out, this same team spanked another team 7-0 and the coach told the girls to let up on this team during the final period. So we lived both ends of the spectrum in one week and I tell you what, my D was not happy at either end of the spectrum.
However, she picked herself up and is playing this week, she worked out her frustration and is ready to go again this week knowing that she will face another hot team on Saturday and is getting her game ready for another 50+ shot game. That is all you can do - PLAY THE GAME and work hard to improve so your team has a chance to win.
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I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe it's goalie mentality, but my daughter feels exactly the same way. When she was in prep school (and being scouted by the coach from her #1 choice school) she was in net against NAHA. It was the most lopsided game I have ever witnessed. The shot differential was 70+ for NAHA to 1 for her school. The score was 11-1. NAHA never let up and I still have the utmost respect for Bill Driscoll as a coach (probably more so because he didn't have his team change the way they play). You only get better as an athlete when you face adversity and then tell yourself, "I'm never going to let that happen again." We're talking collegiate athletes here, not girls 10 and under. If you can't bring that mentality to the game, then maybe one shouldn't be playing.
 
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creasemonkey said:
I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe it's goalie mentality, but my daughter feels exactly the same way. When she was in prep school (and being scouted by the coach from her #1 choice school) she was in net against NAHA. It was the most lopsided game I have ever witnessed. The shot differential was 70+ for NAHA to 1 for her school. The score was 11-1. NAHA never let up and I still have the utmost respect for Bill Driscoll as a coach (probably more so because he didn't have his team change the way they play). You only get better as an athlete when you face adversity and then tell yourself, "I'm never going to let that happen again." We're talking collegiate athletes here, not girls 10 and under. If you can't bring that mentality to the game, then maybe one shouldn't be playing.
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I should have realized earlier by your handle. You are certainly correct here, goalies and their parents have a very different mentality. Yikes!
 
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CanHockGuy said:
There is no competition if the score is that lobsided! The game becomes Mickey Mouse. Where I come from you don't run up the score, you protect a good lead. You respect your team, your opponents and your league. Where you come from you don't get it yet and maybe never will. You're selfish. You didn't read all the posts, I never agreed with monkey in the middle dumb___, and you're as simple as that. What level do you play and tell the truth? Anyone who can't understand that blowing a team out by 15 goals is a bad idea.........Why am I wasting time with this idiot?...........
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So that's your brilliant response? You resort to name calling? Bravo. BTW, the level at which I play is completely irrelevant and I play multiple team sports. Sport doesn't matter and level doesn't matter. Like I said in a previous post, if you want to even things up, you might as well take your goalie out of the net or maybe tell your goalie to let in some soft shots for the opposing team - what's the difference between this and your other players not playing their game or up to their potential?
 
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creasemonkey said:
So that's your brilliant response? You resort to name calling? Bravo. BTW, the level at which I play is completely irrelevant and I play multiple team sports. Sport doesn't matter and level doesn't matter. Like I said in a previous post, if you want to even things up, you might as well take your goalie out of the net or maybe tell your goalie to let in some soft shots for the opposing team - what's the difference between this and your other players not playing their game or up to their potential?
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It looks like you got the message. Good. Move on.
 
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We may be getting off track ever so slightly. The objective in playing a regular season college game is to get the 2 Points. In that regard, scoring 16 goals is unnecessary...and it is less than respectful. Those who speak of the advantaged team needing a full three periods of 'competition' and the disadvantaged team needing to 'improve' suggests a lack of understanding and compassion. This is not the NHL. It is not about beating the other team into submission. It is about having a once-in-a-lifetime student/athlete experience...rebuilding programs included.
 
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Pops Ryan said:
We may be getting off track ever so slightly. The objective in playing a regular season college game is to get the 2 Points. In that regard, scoring 16 goals is unnecessary...and it is less than respectful. Those who speak of the advantaged team needing a full three periods of 'competition' and the disadvantaged team needing to 'improve' suggests a lack of understanding and compassion. This is not the NHL. It is not about beating the other team into submission. It is about having a once-in-a-lifetime student/athlete experience...rebuilding programs included.
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Spoken like a true professional. Pops...you get it.
 
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As a player, it's far more embarassing when a team lets up and just starts passing around like a game of keep away.

I don't think running up the score is an issue in collegiate sports. These girls are big girls. Every athlete has been beaten badly once in their career. It builds character and makes many of them into a better person. IMHO, every athlete should play on a losing team at least once in their life if they ever want to be successful. This experience teaches them to not give up.

What is more of an issue is the celebration when the score gets so high. If the team is still celebrating their 6/7/8+ goal, then we get into an issue of respect.
 
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eg1351 said:
As a player, it's far more embarassing when a team lets up and just starts passing around like a game of keep away.

I don't think running up the score is an issue in collegiate sports. These girls are big girls. Every athlete has been beaten badly once in their career. It builds character and makes many of them into a better person. IMHO, every athlete should play on a losing team at least once in their life if they ever want to be successful. This experience teaches them to not give up.

What is more of an issue is the celebration when the score gets so high. If the team is still celebrating their 6/7/8+ goal, then we get into an issue of respect.
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If you can't handle beating a team by that many goals and still resort to celebrating, then chances are you wouldn't be able to handle losing by that much and should consider letting up on the reins a bit.
 
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Pops Ryan said:
We may be getting off track ever so slightly. The objective in playing a regular season college game is to get the 2 Points. In that regard, scoring 16 goals is unnecessary...and it is less than respectful. Those who speak of the advantaged team needing a full three periods of 'competition' and the disadvantaged team needing to 'improve' suggests a lack of understanding and compassion. This is not the NHL. It is not about beating the other team into submission. It is about having a once-in-a-lifetime student/athlete experience...rebuilding programs included.
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I agree. The only team that needs to beaten into submission is the Dallas Cowboys!
 
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uvmcats said:
I agree. The only team that needs to beaten into submission is the Dallas Cowboys!
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you mean the only team that needed to be beaten into submission was the Dallas Cowboys. Vikings took care of that for you:)
 
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nbound said:
you mean the only team that needed to be beaten into submission was the Dallas Cowboys. Vikings took care of that for you:)
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Now the Vikings need to be beaten into submission. Oh, sorry. Was that my outside voice? :D
 
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uvmcats said:
I agree. The only team that needs to beaten into submission is the Dallas Cowboys!
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When the Cowboy player was mouthing off at the Vikings sideline after the passing touchdown, all I could wonder was where he was when his teammate was pounding Favre after the whistle on the false start early in the game....
 
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eg1351 said:
What is more of an issue is the celebration when the score gets so high. If the team is still celebrating their 6/7/8+ goal, then we get into an issue of respect.
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My personal favorite is where a coach, up by 6+ goals in the third period, pulls the goalie on a penalty call ...

... or leaves a hanger at the offensive zone blue line, similar scenario ....
 
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dontyelldad said:
My personal favorite is where a coach, up by 6+ goals in the third period, pulls the goalie on a penalty call ...

... or leaves a hanger at the offensive zone blue line, similar scenario ....
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I'm a bit of a lurker, but I thought I would chime in on this given a couple of recent posts. I think it's safe to assume that everyone reading this has some experience on both sides of the blowout as a player, coach, or parent. I've had experienced both sides as both a player and as a coach.

There is absolutely nothing disrepsectful about continuing to score, no matter what the score is. It is insulting to play keep-away, etc. The message that is being sent to the blown-out team at that point is "We can score whenever we want, but we've decided to toy with you instead."

There is absolutely everything wrong with continuing to celebrate goals and hooting and hollering when the score becomes lopsided (although that is tricky - at what point is it "lopsided" and insurmountable?). It is also a ridiculous and classless move for any coach to continue to pull the goalie on a delayed penalty; I've also seen coaches on the blowing-out side call a time-out late in the game to "work on something" like an offensive zone faceoff play.

The bottom line is this - if you don't like getting blown out, then get better. If a team continues to score goals, then so be it. As the old football analogy goes, "act like you've been in the end zone before", and simply skate back to center ice after a goal. Show your opponent respect in that way.

And to bring this back full circle to the beginning of the thread - I wouldn't worry too much about Plymouth State. As some have mentioned, their coach has been recruiting her tail off. The school has a beautiful campus, will have a dynamite new rink, and has a committed and energetic young coach for whom players can step in and play immediately - plenty of reasons why someone would be attracted to playing there. I have a feeling that they'll be just fine in a year or two...
 
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FranchisePlayer said:
I'm a bit of a lurker, but I thought I would chime in on this given a couple of recent posts. I think it's safe to assume that everyone reading this has some experience on both sides of the blowout as a player, coach, or parent. I've had experienced both sides as both a player and as a coach.

There is absolutely nothing disrepsectful about continuing to score, no matter what the score is. It is insulting to play keep-away, etc. The message that is being sent to the blown-out team at that point is "We can score whenever we want, but we've decided to toy with you instead."

There is absolutely everything wrong with continuing to celebrate goals and hooting and hollering when the score becomes lopsided (although that is tricky - at what point is it "lopsided" and insurmountable?). It is also a ridiculous and classless move for any coach to continue to pull the goalie on a delayed penalty; I've also seen coaches on the blowing-out side call a time-out late in the game to "work on something" like an offensive zone faceoff play.

The bottom line is this - if you don't like getting blown out, then get better. If a team continues to score goals, then so be it. As the old football analogy goes, "act like you've been in the end zone before", and simply skate back to center ice after a goal. Show your opponent respect in that way.

And to bring this back full circle to the beginning of the thread - I wouldn't worry too much about Plymouth State. As some have mentioned, their coach has been recruiting her tail off. The school has a beautiful campus, will have a dynamite new rink, and has a committed and energetic young coach for whom players can step in and play immediately - plenty of reasons why someone would be attracted to playing there. I have a feeling that they'll be just fine in a year or two...
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If you are a coach, you should understand (no disrespect intended) that keep-away means you have total control of the puck. That's disrespectful, and very stupid. It does create friction. There have been many replies to this thread, and others, that have complained in this manner.
Good (or experienced) coaches understand that there is a way to avoid the disrespect of keep-away. It is easily accomplished by playing a controlled breakout, followed by a neutral dump, frequent changes, then various defensive strategies that keep the puck moving from end to end, thus keeping the clock moving.
If you understand coaching, this is simple and effective. Dicking around only causes friction, whether it be running up the score, or playing with the weaker team. It's not really complicated if you understand and respect the game. The definition of running up the score is showing disrespect when the weak team obviously has no chance. Don't try to tell me it is unavoidable, you may be bordering on cowardice.
 
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How's this for handling a blow out, put your forth line in and then ask your goalie to let in a couple of softies to let the losing team build some confidence? Oh, and tell your fourth line no shooting on the net even when the opposing goalie falls down and leaves it wide open? That was my Wednesday afternoon. We were up 6-0 and the coach at the end of the first period said to the goalie, let in three softies but don't let it look like they were let in by you - "you know, a couple of 5 holes" wink wink nudge nudge. Of course the fans from the other team were so happy when they finally scored, but all of us knew exactly what was happening. Now is that a good way to handle the blow out or the bad way? We ended up winning 6-3. I really think there is no real good way to answer this question because bottom line is this, the losing team has to work harder to becoming the winning team, and the winning team this game may be the blown out team the next game. I think bottom line is this, work hard get better and remember the blow outs because that is what makes a good player great. Not every team is going to win every game.
 
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