D1 tryouts

[gotice]

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Your apathy is a sure sign that I hit a raw nerve - and evidence that you've got a personal interest in the outcome. Are you my daughter's coach?

a word of advice, ccookie79. It is not a wise thing to come on a message board and pick a fight with the coach of your daughter's hockey team. As anonymous as you think you may be, hockey is a small world. Your apparent, very public, dislike for this particular coach may have an adverse affect on your daughter in the future. Take the advise that has been posted and take a step back from the situation. It is obvious that you have raised an intelligent daughter, who is capable of handling her own hockey "career". As hard as it may be to let go, you have no choice but to do so. The more you meddle, the more you undermine your own daughter and the decision that she made to attend Brown.

 

[scores]

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I have been called out before on this issue where we have all these kids getting selected for all the wrong reasons.

I know a girl that got cut from her college team last year. She made every USA hockey selection camp. There will be more.

I have seen this and from being a former player I can say they are not selecting the best skaters / puck handlers for these camps.

No more OH daddy/Mommy she got better .. don't worry we know whats going to happen.

I said there is going to be trouble and its coming from up NORTH. they have more girls involved for a longer period of time.

These coaching jobs are nice and the AD is going to say hey you spent how much on recruiting trips/ assistance coaches---we went to the financial aide
Office for you .. how come you can not win.

Say what you want about me but I know what I see with my own eye's.

I see some kids 16/17 they have marked as super stars no way...they get all the prime ice and lots of it--collect the puck in full stride over the red line..that's easy.

I continue to look for kids that carry a line..say what you want about me but they are long lasting players.

 

[videohockey]

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1) Not blowing off steam. Just pointing out the over-involved, helicopter hockey parent. Your level of involvement is fine in YOUTH hockey, but once she matriculates to college, it is HER career to manage, both academically and athletically. Show up to games and cheer the team on. Be available for your daughter to discuss her experience when she wants. Stay out of managing the team. Digit's management of HER team is NO concern of yours, regardless of how you feel about Digit. If she wants to go Inny-Minny-Miney-Moe to pick her players, it is her perogative.

2) Diplomacy over Bullying??? Hello??? Not sure where either of those were brought up.

3) Didn't assume anything about you or your daughter. I was making an observation regarding your level of interest (inappropriate) in the nuts and bolts of how Digit runs her team.

4) You have every right to be concerned about your daughter's position on the team. And the only thing you need to be concerned with in that regard is how you can support her to be the best hockey player she can be. After that, let the chips fall where they may and keep your nose out of the team management.

5) I don't care how much money you spend on tuition at Brown or if you are a recipient of a full-ride there (those of us who don't make much do get financial aid). It doesn't give you any more rights to manage the team than anyone else who pays admission at the gate.

6) I'm glad you are involved with your daughter's hockey development. Unless you are a major donor to the women's hockey program, I'd say you have no involvement with the management therof.

7) You can keep your award.

8) Been feeling fine all along, thank you.

Have you figured out that I'm not the only one who thinks you're not being very persuasive here?

On the money, as usual, G!

 

[123kidd]

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How is it that you hang out at the rink with the players so much? That seems odd to me. A parent hanging out with players listening to the politics of hockey.
Any DI coach with a backbone would ask you to leave and say, "see you on game night." Then under their breath, "if she even dresses!"

 

[OnMAA]

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I have a relative who played for Harvard and I've spent a lot of time at that rink. Unfortunately, Harvard was not an option for my daughter. My daughter's choice was Brown. Academically (my priority), I'm comfortable with it. Athletically (her priority), I wish Digit was picked up by the Men's team. Let's face it, sitting amongst the players at any hockey rink is quite an eye-opener which is where I've learned most of the politics of hockey for the past 20+ years. Brown is NO different just because it's Ivy.

If you have a daughter playing hockey at Brown, I'd suggest you follow the advice of many other well respected veteran contributors to this forum and refrain from any negative comments on how the team is run.

It is frankly up to the coaching staff to run the team, and up to the AD to decide if it is to their satisfaction. Let your daughter deal with the coaching staff. If she comes to you for advice and support provided it. Otherwise watch from the stands and enjoy the experience.

If you or your D made the wrong choice let it be an important learning experience. We have had the experience of my D's play for the wrong teams at times in the past. At the end of the day we looked at it as a mistake made in our choice and moved on to make better educated choices the next time around.

Between the age of 18 and 22, our daughters mature quickly, and often college life brings with it changing priorities in a rapid fashion. Our oldest D had a rough year in college last year WRT the hockey. She was injured a lot and felt like an outcast on the team. She debated over the summer whether to continue the hockey. She decided to return. She is in her third year and enjoys the team more this year than in the first two years.

Good Luck.

 

[IceIsNice]

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Anyone else think Ccookie needs a Whoopie Pie?

But seriously......

On every team, someone has to be on the fourth line, someone has to be the 7th D, someone has to be #2 or worse yet, #3 goalie; every team, at every level, everywhere. While I was fortunate to have a daughter who never took "making the team" for granted, when she was younger we would often chat about how every job everywhere is up for grabs particularly if the incumbent can't meet or exceed expectations. Perhaps this chat was missing from your kitchen table?

Darwinism, Survival of the Fittest, the fundamentals of Capitalism. Welcome to real life! No guarantees, no promises, keep working, try harder. It is after all the American way.

Oh, and.... did you really think you might find "support" out here? What were you thinking???

Best of luck, hope it all works out!

 

[scores]

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I know one skating coach well and he said : I have 20 NHL players now and I am
being asked to take on more every summer but that is my limit.

This is for the off season: The coaching staff at brown as with any college d1/d3 needs to field the best team.

What did your daughter do over the summer to make herself better?

I have been called all kinds of things from people on this board but when I see
basic skating thrown out the window for the favoritism of an organization.

They are just kidding themselves at the next level..

You can only teach speed to a certain point. I think in the no check hockey its the single most important part of winning. Then being a strong skater. I am not sure these things are accounted for at a young age and kids are marked as a super star at age 12??

We will hear more about this in the coming weeks..

Good luck to Brown.. I know nobody at that school but sour grapes does not cut it.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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Your apathy is a sure sign that I hit a raw nerve - and evidence that you've got a personal interest in the outcome. Are you my daughter's coach?

rinkrat, unlike you, is not exactly anonymous on this forum.

My daughter's choice was Brown.

If your daughter's choice was Brown, you need to back off. For God's sake, it's her life. There is nothing worse than an overbearing parent, hockey parent or otherwise, when their kid is in college. I have a good friend who has parents like that and she's miserable, and her parents don't even know it. I suggest you take that information and think about it a bit.

 

[DC78-82]

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You can only teach speed to a certain point. I think in the no check hockey its the single most important part of winning.

I agree that speed is an important part of the game, and in many ways, integral to D1 Women's hockey, however, I have seen players who have lesser speed excel at this level by understanding the game. Puck posession is the be all end all, and you can be fast without being able to retain the rubber. Sadie Wright-Ward and Jen Hitchcock are both All-Americans, but were not regarded as speedsters. Look at how they played the game - they knew where and when to get the puck, and how to keep it. You can't teach speed, but you can teach puck posession and protection, and in a no check environment, you need those two, and you're lucky if you can claim speed

 

[rinkrat890890]

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rinkrat, unlike you, is not exactly anonymous on this forum.

Tony, at least I got some good reps out of the conversation!

 

[winsorhockeydad]

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In fairness to Coach Murphy, she was very forthright when recruiting my D. My D was concerned about playing time and Coach Murphy gave her an honest evaluation of where she stood. Based on that, my D decided to play D-3 instead. She got all the playing time she wanted, had a fine hockey career, and is now in med school.

CCookie, did your D have that conversation with Coach Murphy? Perhaps your D (as my D) is one of those young ladies who are recurited by Ivy teams but who mostly just add to the overall AI of the recruited class.

 

[RStarr]

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all things aside, something has to change at Brown. pronto. as in you can only live in the past for so long. either that or the program lacks support.

 

[Trillium]

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all things aside, something has to change at Brown. pronto. as in you can only live in the past for so long. either that or the program lacks support.

It is my understanding that the program has not had the financial support of comparable ones elsewhere in recent years. Many programs ramped up their spending since the time Brown challenged for titles, and they did not keep pace.

While this perhaps is now being addressed at least to some extent, the program has lacked two fully funded high level asst coaching slots in past years which has handicapped recruiting efforts. They are lucky to have someone of Coady's calibre now that his son is at Brown.

In addition, Browns financial aid isn't anywhere close to that of other Ivies. So, while its hard enough to find really good players with Ivy-type marks & scores, its an even smaller market to focus on those Ivy admissable athletes whose family incomes are so low that they'd get a free ride, or high enough that they wouldn't qualify for any aid at other Ivies either.

 

[DC78-82]

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all things aside, something has to change at Brown. pronto. as in you can only live in the past for so long. either that or the program lacks support.

Sean Coady

It is my understanding that the program has not had the financial support of comparable ones elsewhere in recent years. Many programs ramped up their spending since the time Brown challenged for titles, and they did not keep pace.

While this perhaps is now being addressed at least to some extent, the program has lacked two fully funded high level asst coaching slots in past years which has handicapped recruiting efforts. They are lucky to have someone of Coady's calibre now that his son is at Brown.

In addition, Browns financial aid isn't anywhere close to that of other Ivies. So, while its hard enough to find really good players with Ivy-type marks & scores, its an even smaller market to focus on those Ivy admissable athletes whose family incomes are so low that they'd get a free ride, or high enough that they wouldn't qualify for any aid at other Ivies either.

I have heard the same from people with first hand experience there.

 

[OnMAA]

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Tony, at least I got some good reps out of the conversation!

Tried to rep you and notfromaroundhere, but got the "Need to spread it around" denial message.

Consider this positive Rep to you, "notfromaroundhere" and "Tony the Tiger" for some excellent postings on this subject.

I'm with DC and Trillium. Coady will be the key to turning that program around in a hurry. He has a wealth of hockey experience and connections rivalled by only a few in the Womens game. He has been recruiting pretty hard over the summer and I would expect this program to improve over the next few years as a result of his involvement. As with any change it may make the incumbents a bit uneasy. Competition for jobs is a good thing, as it will make the program better as well.

 

[OTH]

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Coady will be the key to turning that program around in a hurry. He has a wealth of hockey experience and connections rivalled by only a few in the Womens game. He has been recruiting pretty hard over the summer and I would expect this program to improve over the next few years as a result of his involvement.

Maybe. I understand that he did talk to a lot of players and heard that he's an upbeat and knowledgeable guy. I also heard that he went out of his way far more than is usual to stress upfront that it's still her show. Whether he didn't know that would give some families pause about investing too much in Brown as an option considering recent history, or whether in all honesty he felt he had to stress that his influence was more limited than assistant coaches traditionally have, or whether he was signaling that his influence will be different in the future...is a good question.

 

[DC78-82]

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Maybe. I understand that he did talk to a lot of players and heard that he's an upbeat and knowledgeable guy. I also heard that he went out of his way far more than is usual to stress upfront that it's still her show. Whether he didn't know that would give some families pause about investing too much in Brown as an option considering recent history, or whether in all honesty he felt he had to stress that his influence was more limited than assistant coaches traditionally have, or whether he was signaling that his influence will be different in the future...is a good question.

I don't know why people think that the problem with Brown is coaching. Digit is no different than most college coaches - some thrive on the style, some don't. There are limitations for every program, and it's been evident for a few years that they haven't been able to get players.

I truly believe that bringing Sean Coady on board to recruit frees Digit up to coach. She knows the game and cares about her players.

Wouldn't it be interesting to start a thread extolling the virtues of different coaches instead of slamming them.

 

[ARM]

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Wouldn't it be interesting to start a thread extolling the virtues of different coaches instead of slamming them.

Okay. I'll add to the positives you started. Murphy is a very good interview, plus she does well speaking in front of groups -- she did a coaches luncheon for our booster club once.

 

[OnMAA]

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Okay. I'll add to the positives you started. Murphy is a very good interview, plus she does well speaking in front of groups -- she did a coaches luncheon for our booster club once.

Here is another one in the same vein/context. Ms Murphy not only develops hockey players, she develops many of them into future women leaders and/or role models and is a recognised champion for that cause. I dunno about others, but if I were a young girl/women with ivy league type marks and career aspirations, that would sure catch my attention.

 

[OnMAA]

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Maybe. I understand that he did talk to a lot of players and heard that he's an upbeat and knowledgeable guy. I also heard that he went out of his way far more than is usual to stress upfront that it's still her show. Whether he didn't know that would give some families pause about investing too much in Brown as an option considering recent history, or whether in all honesty he felt he had to stress that his influence was more limited than assistant coaches traditionally have, or whether he was signaling that his influence will be different in the future...is a good question.

IMHO it is a reflection that he is from the mold of "Old Time Hockey", the ultimate team player.