D1 tryouts

[notfromaroundhere]

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Anyone know anything about D1 women's hockey? My daughter just got recruited for D1 spot at Brown. She's obviously only in her first year but we now learned that the coaches instituted "tryouts" for all players even though they were all recruited. I just learned that they dumped 2 juniors and a senior after these "tryouts" and now I'm concerned that my daughter could end up the same way. She gave up scholarship money to play for Brown - I hope we didn't make a mistake in selecting Brown. One of the kids that was let go is the best forward on the team. It doesn't make sense. How do you have tryouts after you've recruited these kids?

Aside from the previously posted "issues" with the posting history of ccookie79, I think cookie is becoming a poster child for what is wrong with hockey parents.

Cookie, grow up! Your daughter is an adult, enrolled in college. She is now responsible for her academic and hockey career, even if you chose to foot the bill. This is not house hockey anymore where everyone who shows up gets equal ice time, either. Coaches always bring in more players than they need (they never know how many will actually show up) and use tryouts to determine who is most committed and able to do the job.

You'd be surprised to find out how many girls think they've made it to their last team getting that D1 scholarship/Ivy Admission, slack off all summer long and find out at tryout that their "last team" was the "last team" they played for in high school.

It is an important life lesson that every day is a tryout and you can find yourself on the 4th line, in the stands, or even cut from the roster if you don't bring it to work every day.

You have no idea why she cut the players she cut. Your worry about your daughter's position on the team seems more motivated about your own bragging rights as a parent (as observed by your daughters lack of such concern) than anything pertaining to hockey. Time to check out of being hockey parent and be just a parent.

 

[rinkrat890890]

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Aside from the previously posted "issues" with the posting history of ccookie79, I think cookie is becoming a poster child for what is wrong with hockey parents.

Cookie, grow up! Your daughter is an adult, enrolled in college. She is now responsible for her academic and hockey career, even if you chose to foot the bill. This is not house hockey anymore where everyone who shows up gets equal ice time, either. Coaches always bring in more players than they need (they never know how many will actually show up) and use tryouts to determine who is most committed and able to do the job.

You'd be surprised to find out how many girls think they've made it to their last team getting that D1 scholarship/Ivy Admission, slack off all summer long and find out at tryout that their "last team" was the "last team" they played for in high school.

It is an important life lesson that every day is a tryout and you can find yourself on the 4th line, in the stands, or even cut from the roster if you don't bring it to work every day.

You have no idea why she cut the players she cut. Your worry about your daughter's position on the team seems more motivated about your own bragging rights as a parent (as observed by your daughters lack of such concern) than anything pertaining to hockey. Time to check out of being hockey parent and be just a parent.

I know some of the players that aren't on the roster are not there because they quit, not because they were cut!

 

[rinkrat890890]

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Aside from the previously posted "issues" with the posting history of ccookie79, I think cookie is becoming a poster child for what is wrong with hockey parents.

Cookie, grow up! Your daughter is an adult, enrolled in college. She is now responsible for her academic and hockey career, even if you chose to foot the bill. This is not house hockey anymore where everyone who shows up gets equal ice time, either. Coaches always bring in more players than they need (they never know how many will actually show up) and use tryouts to determine who is most committed and able to do the job.

You'd be surprised to find out how many girls think they've made it to their last team getting that D1 scholarship/Ivy Admission, slack off all summer long and find out at tryout that their "last team" was the "last team" they played for in high school.

It is an important life lesson that every day is a tryout and you can find yourself on the 4th line, in the stands, or even cut from the roster if you don't bring it to work every day.

You have no idea why she cut the players she cut. Your worry about your daughter's position on the team seems more motivated about your own bragging rights as a parent (as observed by your daughters lack of such concern) than anything pertaining to hockey. Time to check out of being hockey parent and be just a parent.

Anyone can come on a forum and post anything they want when they THINK they are anonymous but then they find out differently!

 

[DC78-82]

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Coaches always bring in more players than they need (they never know how many will actually show up) and use tryouts to determine who is most committed and able to do the job.
You'd be surprised to find out how many girls think they've made it to their last team getting that D1 scholarship/Ivy Admission, slack off all summer long and find out at tryout that their "last team" was the "last team" they played for in high school.

It is an important life lesson that every day is a tryout and you can find yourself on the 4th line, in the stands, or even cut from the roster if you don't bring it to work every day.
You have no idea why she cut the players she cut. Your worry about your daughter's position on the team seems more motivated about your own bragging rights as a parent (as observed by your daughters lack of such concern) than anything pertaining to hockey. Time to check out of being hockey parent and be just a parent.

Great post! There are many reasons for a college hockey career not working out, but most can be attributed to either the player not living up to the committment level the coaching staff sets or the player having unrealistic expectations of the playing experience when they take the ice as a D1 athlete.

There is nothing wrong or embarrassing about playing on the 4th line, yet most players who reach that level aren't used to being asked to be the support act, and some just aren't willing to make the sacrifices required if they aren't getting star billing as a return on their investment. There are others, who may have top line talent, who either slack off or don't buy in to the work required in the off-season, and are chronically underprepared, or who just don't bring a good attitude to the team, which is as damaging as being unfit physically.

You meet the coaching staff on numerous occasions while your child is looking at schools. you do your research, your kid does what it takes to get into the school, and enrolls. Pick up your ticket at the comp window, take a seat, and support your team and your adult daughter. The rest is out of your hands (or it should be) unless she asks for your help.

 

[Trillium]

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Thanks, I was going to write that
My daughter just tells me not to worry but I'm paying a lot of money "not to worry". I'm going to be prepared to bail with her if we have to. Dartmouth and Princeton both have potential.

Something sounds odd with all this....If Dartmouth and Princeton were also options, its a fact their teams are significantly stronger. So if she is worried about playing time at Brown or getting cut down the road, things would not be better in a stronger program. You must also know that if she were to transfer (assuming D and P would allow this after she asked for a release), your daughter would also have to sit a year and forfeit a year of eligibility too.

Try to make the best of the situation...and if the hockey doesn't work out she still has a great education as consolation.

 

[Trillium]

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This is true to a degree, though in all likelihood the players that "disappeared" were walk-ons. Recruited players aren't cast aside (unless there is academic or other trouble) since there is generally a great deal invested in them. While not the case with all of the programs, the Ivies seem to be more inclined towards "tryouts" and an open opportunity for students as part of a school philosophy of the overall educational experience. (at least in the days of the 27 player rosters)

Actually, I agree with OnMAA....I know of quite a number of players who were recruited to either Ivies (as players rather than academic admits) or on D1 full rides who didn't play 4 years. In some cases they left due to lack of playing time vs expectation, some chose to focus on academics or other sports, and some were eventually cut.

 

[ARM]

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... if she were to transfer ..., your daughter would also have to sit a year and forfeit a year of eligibility too.

Only the WCHA has a rule requiring transfers to sit a year, and there isn't any rule that forces transfers to sacrifice a year of eligibility.

 

[ccookie79]

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Based on another post you wrote earlier concerning Digit coaching the men's team, my guess is you either don't have a daughter there, or your trying to come off as someone else. If you would have liked Digit to move over to the men's side because it's the best thing for the women, why are you paying for your daughter to play at brown when she's an Ivy League student and could have gone somewhere else?

Unfortunately, my daughter playing for Brown is my daughter's choice, not mine, which is why I sought the advice on this board. I do not want to be a part of the politics going on with that team but I also don't want my daughter to suffer because of it.

 

[ccookie79]

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Please don't take this the wrong way, but nobody should give up scholarship money to play for an Ivy unless they have determined that the academics at the Ivy are more important than the hockey. It would be great if every girl got everything she wished for from collegiate sports, but they don't. Many posters have invoked the age-old wisdom that a girl should pick a school she would love even if she had a career ending injury and could not play. I hope your D feels that way about Brown. A degree from Brown is something to be proud of, and I sure hope that was your primary motivation. Also, Brown has not won many games in the last 4-5 years, and anyone enrolling there to play should expect that sooner or later there might be a house cleaning.

It sounds like you and your D have not done enough homework on this choice. I hope things work out for her.

By the way, which "best forward on the team" was let go?

Spike, I did not take your comments the wrong way. My daughter did her homework on the hockey and I did the homework on the academics. It seemed appropriate at the time but if you hang around the rink too long, you don't get a good feeling about the players. The way I look at it, she's only got these last 4 years to play hockey and it's all over. It's not like there's an NHL for women so I think academics should be her priority at this stage of her life. I'm happy overall about her selection of Brown (and vice versa). I'm just over analyzing the situation. Thank you very much.

 

[ccookie79]

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Aside from the previously posted "issues" with the posting history of ccookie79, I think cookie is becoming a poster child for what is wrong with hockey parents.

Cookie, grow up! Your daughter is an adult, enrolled in college. She is now responsible for her academic and hockey career, even if you chose to foot the bill. This is not house hockey anymore where everyone who shows up gets equal ice time, either. Coaches always bring in more players than they need (they never know how many will actually show up) and use tryouts to determine who is most committed and able to do the job.

You'd be surprised to find out how many girls think they've made it to their last team getting that D1 scholarship/Ivy Admission, slack off all summer long and find out at tryout that their "last team" was the "last team" they played for in high school.

It is an important life lesson that every day is a tryout and you can find yourself on the 4th line, in the stands, or even cut from the roster if you don't bring it to work every day.

You have no idea why she cut the players she cut. Your worry about your daughter's position on the team seems more motivated about your own bragging rights as a parent (as observed by your daughters lack of such concern) than anything pertaining to hockey. Time to check out of being hockey parent and be just a parent.

I'm sorry that you needed to blow off steam in response to my post. In fact, it is posts like yours that make it difficult for anyone to speak up in rink matters. Fortunately, my daughter IS a lot like me (not you) and she prefers diplomacy over bullying. Just as you pointed out the hypothetical reasons that players might be cut, you assumed a lot of facts about me and my daughter that sijmply aren't true. My worrying about my daughter's position on the team is what I, as her parent, have every right to be concerned with. I pay a lot of money for her attendance at Brown and I have much time invested in her success as a woman and as a hockey player. If I'm a bad parent for looking for information and support on a public forum, then take away my Mom-of-the-year Award. There, feel better, notfromaroundhere?

 

[ccookie79]

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Anyone can come on a forum and post anything they want when they THINK they are anonymous but then they find out differently!

Your apathy is a sure sign that I hit a raw nerve - and evidence that you've got a personal interest in the outcome. Are you my daughter's coach?

 

[ccookie79]

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Only the WCHA has a rule requiring transfers to sit a year, and there isn't any rule that forces transfers to sacrifice a year of eligibility.

Thank you. We'll do some soul searching down the road.

 

[Trillium]

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Only the WCHA has a rule requiring transfers to sit a year, and there isn't any rule that forces transfers to sacrifice a year of eligibility.

It was my understanding that you only don't have to sit a year if you transfer to another conference. Since he is in theory talking about transfering from one Ivy to another, all of which are ECAC schools, I believe she would have to sit out. And unless I am mistaken I also believe you can't play at an Ivy after you've received your 4 year degree...so she would have to spread out her academics too, which for most would be a significant additional financial outlay.

 

[mattj711]

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It was my understanding that you only don't have to sit a year if you transfer to another conference. Since he is in theory talking about transfering from one Ivy to another, all of which are ECAC schools, I believe she would have to sit out. And unless I am mistaken I also believe you can't play at an Ivy after you've received your 4 year degree...so she would have to spread out her academics too, which for most would be a significant additional financial outlay.

There is no year sit out rule from one ECAC team to another per the ECAC. One could transfer from say Brown to St. Lawrence or vice-versa with no year sit out. There is an Ivy League sit out rule. A player would have to sit out a year if they were to transfer from any Ivy League team to another. It is an Ivy League rule not an ECAC rule.

 

[brookyone]

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There is no year sit out rule from one ECAC team to another per the ECAC. One could transfer from say Brown to St. Lawrence or vice-versa with no year sit out. There is an Ivy League sit out rule. A player would have to sit out a year if they were to transfer from any Ivy League team to another. It is an Ivy League rule not an ECAC rule.

News to me. I didn't think anyone had such a rule...other than the WCHA.

 

[ccookie79]

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Great research RinkRat. I smell a Fish and a Rat at the same time. Just look at three recent posts by said poster. Lots of contradictions. It also brings up many interesting questions.

Posted by CCookie79 on August 8th:


So why would you have picked Brown this year given those comments above.

Posted by CCookie79 on August 6th:


So why would you have picked Brown this year given those comments above. x2

Posted by CCookie79 on August 5th in D3 vs D1:


So why would you have picked Brown this year given those comments above. x3

I have a relative who played for Harvard and I've spent a lot of time at that rink. Unfortunately, Harvard was not an option for my daughter. My daughter's choice was Brown. Academically (my priority), I'm comfortable with it. Athletically (her priority), I wish Digit was picked up by the Men's team. Let's face it, sitting amongst the players at any hockey rink is quite an eye-opener which is where I've learned most of the politics of hockey for the past 20+ years. Brown is NO different just because it's Ivy.

 

[rinkrat890890]

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Your apathy is a sure sign that I hit a raw nerve - and evidence that you've got a personal interest in the outcome. Are you my daughter's coach?

Ummm no, I actually don't even know too much about hockey! I just watch!

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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I'm sorry that you needed to blow off steam in response to my post. In fact, it is posts like yours that make it difficult for anyone to speak up in rink matters. Fortunately, my daughter IS a lot like me (not you) and she prefers diplomacy over bullying. Just as you pointed out the hypothetical reasons that players might be cut, you assumed a lot of facts about me and my daughter that sijmply aren't true. My worrying about my daughter's position on the team is what I, as her parent, have every right to be concerned with. I pay a lot of money for her attendance at Brown and I have much time invested in her success as a woman and as a hockey player. If I'm a bad parent for looking for information and support on a public forum, then take away my Mom-of-the-year Award. There, feel better, notfromaroundhere?

1) Not blowing off steam. Just pointing out the over-involved, helicopter hockey parent. Your level of involvement is fine in YOUTH hockey, but once she matriculates to college, it is HER career to manage, both academically and athletically. Show up to games and cheer the team on. Be available for your daughter to discuss her experience when she wants. Stay out of managing the team. Digit's management of HER team is NO concern of yours, regardless of how you feel about Digit. If she wants to go Inny-Minny-Miney-Moe to pick her players, it is her perogative.

2) Diplomacy over Bullying??? Hello??? Not sure where either of those were brought up.

3) Didn't assume anything about you or your daughter. I was making an observation regarding your level of interest (inappropriate) in the nuts and bolts of how Digit runs her team.

4) You have every right to be concerned about your daughter's position on the team. And the only thing you need to be concerned with in that regard is how you can support her to be the best hockey player she can be. After that, let the chips fall where they may and keep your nose out of the team management.

5) I don't care how much money you spend on tuition at Brown or if you are a recipient of a full-ride there (those of us who don't make much do get financial aid). It doesn't give you any more rights to manage the team than anyone else who pays admission at the gate.

6) I'm glad you are involved with your daughter's hockey development. Unless you are a major donor to the women's hockey program, I'd say you have no involvement with the management therof.

7) You can keep your award.

8) Been feeling fine all along, thank you.

Have you figured out that I'm not the only one who thinks you're not being very persuasive here?

 

[gotice]

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1) Not blowing off steam. Just pointing out the over-involved, helicopter hockey parent. Your level of involvement is fine in YOUTH hockey, but once she matriculates to college, it is HER career to manage, both academically and athletically. Show up to games and cheer the team on. Be available for your daughter to discuss her experience when she wants. Stay out of managing the team. Digit's management of HER team is NO concern of yours, regardless of how you feel about Digit. If she wants to go Inny-Minny-Miney-Moe to pick her players, it is her perogative.

2) Diplomacy over Bullying??? Hello??? Not sure where either of those were brought up.

3) Didn't assume anything about you or your daughter. I was making an observation regarding your level of interest (inappropriate) in the nuts and bolts of how Digit runs her team.

4) You have every right to be concerned about your daughter's position on the team. And the only thing you need to be concerned with in that regard is how you can support her to be the best hockey player she can be. After that, let the chips fall where they may and keep your nose out of the team management.

5) I don't care how much money you spend on tuition at Brown or if you are a recipient of a full-ride there (those of us who don't make much do get financial aid). It doesn't give you any more rights to manage the team than anyone else who pays admission at the gate.

6) I'm glad you are involved with your daughter's hockey development. Unless you are a major donor to the women's hockey program, I'd say you have no involvement with the management therof.

7) You can keep your award.

8) Been feeling fine all along, thank you.

Have you figured out that I'm not the only one who thinks you're not being very persuasive here?

well said, fellow nomad

 

[rinkrat890890]

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Your apathy is a sure sign that I hit a raw nerve - and evidence that you've got a personal interest in the outcome. Are you my daughter's coach?

I don't understand how you could think I have a personal interest in the outcome. I only watch Brown hockey if they play Boston College.