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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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What amazes me is that when pictures and video of these incidents are shown as happening elsewhere in the world, us Americans are aghast at what takes place.

Sh** happens in our backyards and Americans are all like "eh, the [nope] probably deserved it." What the fu** is wrong with us as a nation?
 
What amazes me is that when pictures and video of these incidents are shown as happening elsewhere in the world, us Americans are aghast at what takes place.

Sh** happens in our backyards and Americans are all like "eh, the [nope] probably deserved it." What the fu** is wrong with us as a nation?

EXACTLY. If we saw the rounding up of journalists and assault on the press in any other country, we'd be vehemently condemning this. It's fucking terrifying this is coming from an Aw Shucks liberal governor.
 
I also don't agree with how the media is being handled, so that is fair. But I get why they aren't just keeping the gatherings away from the police station as well.

I've said my piece numerous times I'm not going over it again. We're in agreement that things need to be done to keep these situations from arising in the first place.
 
I also don't agree with how the media is being handled, so that is fair. But I get why they aren't just keeping the gatherings away from the police station as well.

I've said my piece numerous times I'm not going over it again. We're in agreement that things need to be done to keep these situations from arising in the first place.

I agree. I think we're in agreement on 95%+ of the issues here
I think we all agree we need to protect the city. I also think we all agree a review of the tactics is in order.

We can leave it at that. :-)
 
I would rather the NG be there than not be there. The problem isn't their presence, it is their actions. No different than the cops. We need police, we just need better trained and trustworthy police.

If Walz is pissing off both sides that means he is doing it right...or at least as best as he can. If he takes a hands off approach and the NW suburbs become Uptown not only will he look like a feckless leader but he will guarantee a primary challenge and he will lose. People will accept that a corrupt city precinct was overrun in the heat of the moment...but if the suburbs go then say hello to Governor Mike Lindell. (well not really but you get my point)

As someone who lives a couple miles from where this all went down, I think he made the "correct" choice. The NG should not be able to act with impunity though and the actions with the Press especially should lead to serious repercussions. Normally it would...but these days people hate the Press almost as much as they hate the cops. At this point though it is time to start scaling back, the cop was arrested and charged (fairly quickly) and I believe the BC Mayor is getting fed up. If he asks for them to leave (and he might have, I have been occupied with other stuff) then time for them to get the fuck out.
 
I also don't agree with how the media is being handled, so that is fair. But I get why they aren't just keeping the gatherings away from the police station as well.

I've said my piece numerous times I'm not going over it again. We're in agreement that things need to be done to keep these situations from arising in the first place.
But the protest is because of the police. So why head over to the football stadium when you are protesting the cops. And let us not forget that we all have the right to assembly and the right to protest- and that right is not lost around police stations.

Again, if the police accepted that they are being protested against, and approached it totally differently, the outcome would probably be very different. But they are handling it as if they were a crowd trying to lynch someone in the station.
 
But the protest is because of the police. So why head over to the football stadium when you are protesting the cops. And let us not forget that we all have the right to assembly and the right to protest- and that right is not lost around police stations.

Again, if the police accepted that they are being protested against, and approached it totally differently, the outcome would probably be very different. But they are handling it as if they were a crowd trying to lynch someone in the station.

I won’t swear to knowing all the details, but it seems like the local LEOs have been handling both the protests around Daunte Wright’s killing and the Derek Chauvin trial very well. It’s when the protests come to an end and the rioters start to move in that things turn ugly. Yes, there have been the occasional issue with the protests, but they’ve been fairly tame, and have been when individual people start threatening the LEOs with their antics, apart from the crowds at large.
 
What amazes me is that when pictures and video of these incidents are shown as happening elsewhere in the world, us Americans are aghast at what takes place.

Sh** happens in our backyards and Americans are all like "eh, the [nope] probably deserved it." What the fu** is wrong with us as a nation?

The police are our new "peculiar institution."
 
The police are our new "peculiar institution."

This is true.

I hope things go well in the Twin Cities this week. I had planned on being back there on Wednesday (I was there for 3 days last week) but have cancelled plans to travel to my shops in Minneapolis and St. Paul. My Minneapolis shop was right where the rioting was last year. Driving around there last month and the physical scars to the city are still very visible. I sure hope the jury does the right thing.

Whether or not they are feeling it (and I'm sure they are feeling it) the fate of the city -- and maybe more -- is really resting in the hands of the Chauvin jury. If they fail to convict this country is going to see rioting the likes of which we have never seen before. Last year will seem like a fun-filled block party compared to the violence that will accompany a not guilty verdict or probably even a hung jury. At this point the fate of Derek Chauvin is not really what is important. If things go haywire you Twin Cities posters stay safe and be careful.
 
I'm very afraid* of what happens to the Cities if he's found not guilty or there's a mistrial. I'm guessing if it's a mistrial we're looking at 2 wks of deliberation. Fast verdict has to be guilty.

*afraid isn't the right word. It's more... I don't know. Like I'm not sure where we go.
 
This is true.

I hope things go well in the Twin Cities this week. I had planned on being back there on Wednesday (I was there for 3 days last week) but have cancelled plans to travel to my shops in Minneapolis and St. Paul. My Minneapolis shop was right where the rioting was last year. Driving around there last month and the physical scars to the city are still very visible. I sure hope the jury does the right thing.

Whether or not they are feeling it (and I'm sure they are feeling it) the fate of the city -- and maybe more -- is really resting in the hands of the Chauvin jury. If they fail to convict this country is going to see rioting the likes of which we have never seen before. Last year will seem like a fun-filled block party compared to the violence that will accompany a not guilty verdict or probably even a hung jury. At this point the fate of Derek Chauvin is not really what is important. If things go haywire you Twin Cities posters stay safe and be careful.


I think what saves the country is Dump lost. Even if the jury hangs, I think (hope) there is a feeling on the street that help is coming and things are changing. Dump, and the GOP writ large, is a come to Jesus moment for white centrists. Before they were able to kid themselves that "things aren't perfect but we've come a long way" and other excuses not to do anything (especially, not to pay anything). But those myths have been exploded. White Center-Left and even some white Left have had the scales fall from their eyes, finally, and have realized this country is never more than one depression from Germany 1932, because there is an immense, unreconstructable racist base at the core of the Right, which will never become better and never grow up. We are just going to have to out-vote those orcs, every election, forever, to keep them as far from the levers of power as possible.

America had a 50-year nap in many ways. In economics they bought Reaganomics' sweet lie that taxes could always remain low on everyone, especially the rich and upper middle class. Now we see that just hollows out the country from the inside until one pandemic puts us on par with a third world nation. In social issues they bought that as long as there were some rich black celebs that meant Racism Over, until the last decade has proven slavery never ended, the incarceration state and Jim Crow 2 are simply the morphing of white supremacy and apartheid to a different form.

The country is waking up. I woke up that violence, which a good way to get attention, can't be The Plan. Revolution can't be aspirational because it leads to giving up on voting and institutional forms and that cedes the ground either to the enemy or to "moderate" friends are who are fat and happy and will never discomfort themselves as long as they don't see atrocities on teevee.

We are fighting the actual malevolence of the Right and the self-congratulatory lethargy of the Center, but importantly we have the tools to win in our institutions, our people, and our morale. For fifty years the "nothing ever changes" or "this country is fucked forever" people dominated the conversation, and they were a clarion call to do nothing. And, unsurprising, through all that time the Right gained, because they had a clear and simple message: repeal the 20th Century. Go back to the old hierarchical order of rich white males as an aristocracy and as "real Americans." But I believe the Left and even the Center-Left under 40 has finally learned and is poised to make a leap.

tl; dr: I believe we are coming into an age when people recognize that pundits have nothing to say to them, that the Democratic party is a mechanism for us and we must seize it, and that consumer power now so dominates our economy that we can shake the corporate state to its knees just by buying or not buying to our ethics. The ubiquitous ironic coolness, which started in the black jazz clubs of the 1930s and then was aped by the commercial state as a method of dulling our senses and destroying our outrage in order to pacify us, is finally being rejected for some honest old school caring. Cool is dead. I've never been so happy to be obsolete along with the rest of the cynicism and poser world weariness of the Boomers and Gen X.
 
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I'm very afraid* of what happens to the Cities if he's found not guilty or there's a mistrial. I'm guessing if it's a mistrial we're looking at 2 wks of deliberation. Fast verdict has to be guilty.

*afraid isn't the right word. It's more... I don't know. Like I'm not sure where we go.

It will be really bad, but at least they will be prepared for it.
 
I'm very afraid* of what happens to the Cities if he's found not guilty or there's a mistrial. I'm guessing if it's a mistrial we're looking at 2 wks of deliberation. Fast verdict has to be guilty.

*afraid isn't the right word. It's more... I don't know. Like I'm not sure where we go.

Remember that a hung jury or mistrial does not mean he gets off, it means they do it all over again.

And I also think that the deliberation will take time, even if they all think he's guilty- the three different charges have to be debated. The biggest one being the 2nd degree one- that one is the most questionable one, and it may take a very long time to come to a full agreement on it.
 
Remember that a hung jury or mistrial does not mean he gets off, it means they do it all over again.

And I also think that the deliberation will take time, even if they all think he's guilty- the three different charges have to be debated. The biggest one being the 2nd degree one- that one is the most questionable one, and it may take a very long time to come to a full agreement on it.

i get that. I'm talking on appeal. The judge seemed particularly upset at her and obviously didn't want to make the call himself. Or more likely didn't think it was his place. But boy was he upset.
 
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