Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

[MichVandal]

Isn't conviction rate on a retrial negligible?

Dunno, but I suspect that angle is what the defense is shooting for because it will be harder to find a jury in Minneapolis.

 

[MichVandal]

i get that. I'm talking on appeal. The judge seemed particularly upset at her and obviously didn't want to make the call himself. Or more likely didn't think it was his place. But boy was he upset.

Maxine is right that we need to keep the pressure on to change the procedures and policies, though. When a simple action to subdue someone in that manner is deemed to be OK, something is bad.

 

[SJHovey]

i get that. I'm talking on appeal. The judge seemed particularly upset at her and obviously didn't want to make the call himself. Or more likely didn't think it was his place. But boy was he upset.

It's easier for the trial judge to let it go and see what the verdict is. A not guilty verdict solves his problem.

Also, this is not something that is going to lead to a reversal at the appellate level if Chauvin is convicted, imho.

Now, all that said, anyone who thinks that Chauvin got a "fair trial" is sort of kidding themselves. Between the news media and the governor and other politicians calling for a conviction, to the armed invasion of Minneapolis, to the protests, to the trashing of a house of one of the defense experts that he moved from 15 years ago, I don't see a lot of normal everyday citizens on that jury willing to raise their hand and say "not guilty."

Personally, I think Chauvin is guilty, at least of something, so I suppose at the end of the day we'll reach the result we should. But we aren't more than a scaffold, some rope, pitchforks and torches removed from Arizona justice in the 1880's with this case.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

It's easier for the trial judge to let it go and see what the verdict is. A not guilty verdict solves his problem.

Also, this is not something that is going to lead to a reversal at the appellate level if Chauvin is convicted, imho.

Now, all that said, anyone who thinks that Chauvin got a "fair trial" is sort of kidding themselves. Between the news media and the governor and other politicians calling for a conviction, to the armed invasion of Minneapolis, to the protests, to the trashing of a house of one of the defense experts that he moved from 15 years ago, I don't see a lot of normal everyday citizens on that jury willing to raise their hand and say "not guilty."

Personally, I think Chauvin is guilty, at least of something, so I suppose at the end of the day we'll reach the result we should. But we aren't more than a scaffold, some rope, pitchforks and torches removed from Arizona justice in the 1880's with this case.

Oh, please. What a crock. He got a fair trial by any standard you can apply.

 

[SJHovey]

Oh, please. What a crock. He got a fair trial by any standard you can apply.

The process itself, inside the courtroom, was completely fair.

 

[MichVandal]

It's easier for the trial judge to let it go and see what the verdict is. A not guilty verdict solves his problem.

Also, this is not something that is going to lead to a reversal at the appellate level if Chauvin is convicted, imho.

Now, all that said, anyone who thinks that Chauvin got a "fair trial" is sort of kidding themselves. Between the news media and the governor and other politicians calling for a conviction, to the armed invasion of Minneapolis, to the protests, to the trashing of a house of one of the defense experts that he moved from 15 years ago, I don't see a lot of normal everyday citizens on that jury willing to raise their hand and say "not guilty."

Personally, I think Chauvin is guilty, at least of something, so I suppose at the end of the day we'll reach the result we should. But we aren't more than a scaffold, some rope, pitchforks and torches removed from Arizona justice in the 1880's with this case.

Given the trial that George would have gotten, with all of the cop "witnesses"- I can't see how this is any different than that.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

The process itself, inside the courtroom, was completely fair.

If you think life is fair outside a coutroom or even in a courtroom I want whatever drugs your taking. Again. He got a fair trial by any standard you can apply. Inside and outside. Tucker Carlson has been wearing his jock strap since he got arrested.

 

[psych]

It's easier for the trial judge to let it go and see what the verdict is. A not guilty verdict solves his problem.

Also, this is not something that is going to lead to a reversal at the appellate level if Chauvin is convicted, imho.

Now, all that said, anyone who thinks that Chauvin got a "fair trial" is sort of kidding themselves. Between the news media and the governor and other politicians calling for a conviction, to the armed invasion of Minneapolis, to the protests, to the trashing of a house of one of the defense experts that he moved from 15 years ago, I don't see a lot of normal everyday citizens on that jury willing to raise their hand and say "not guilty."

Personally, I think Chauvin is guilty, at least of something, so I suppose at the end of the day we'll reach the result we should. But we aren't more than a scaffold, some rope, pitchforks and torches removed from Arizona justice in the 1880's with this case.

If they “controlled the controllables”, as in, those in charge kept the courtroom itself fair and impartial, what could have been done differently to give Chauvin a fairer trial, other than holding it in Pakistan or twenty years from now? I’m not saying there weren’t things that could have been done, but I haven’t thought of them yet myself, and you’re the only one currently saying the trial wasn’t entirely fair.

 

[SJHovey]

If they “controlled the controllables”, as in, those in charge kept the courtroom itself fair and impartial, what could have been done differently to give Chauvin a fairer trial, other than holding it in Pakistan or twenty years from now? I’m not saying there weren’t things that could have been done, but I haven’t thought of them yet myself, and you’re the only one currently saying the trial wasn’t entirely fair.

I don't blame the judge or the prosecutors or anyone associated with the trial. I think they've done an admirable job given the pressures they are under. In fact, from their standpoint, I don't think they could have done anything different. If this trial had been held in Duluth, for instance, I believe the same outside factors would have been brought to bear.

I really just blame us as a society, and the politicians and media.

 

[The Sicatoka]

I'm hoping this is a tragic coincidence and not a harbinger.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...s-century-old-church-in-northeast-minneapolis

 

[JF_Gophers]

The justice system hasnt been fair to black people since its inception. So im not too concerned about this one trial for a white police officer being slightly less than perfect.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I'm hoping this is a tragic coincidence and not a harbinger.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...s-century-old-church-in-northeast-minneapolis

That's mild compared to what could happen.

 

[MichVandal]

I really just blame us as a society, and the politicians and media.

If that's the blame- then the blame is that we, as a society, let the media blow up minority problems, allowing the politicians keep a very biased policing system in place since post Civil War. How is it there's a media out there that puts up such BS that makes people want to find fake reasons that minorities should be kept down? And there are politicians who allow this suppression to just go on? Even now, we have very intentional voting laws to suppress minorities. Of course, cops are going to follow that line.

The fact that the current society is largely very tired of that, and the media is covering that frustration make the politicians actually do something that should have been done 160 years ago, well, yea.

 

[Kepler]

It's easier for the trial judge to let it go and see what the verdict is. A not guilty verdict solves his problem.

Also, this is not something that is going to lead to a reversal at the appellate level if Chauvin is convicted, imho.

Now, all that said, anyone who thinks that Chauvin got a "fair trial" is sort of kidding themselves. Between the news media and the governor and other politicians calling for a conviction, to the armed invasion of Minneapolis, to the protests, to the trashing of a house of one of the defense experts that he moved from 15 years ago, I don't see a lot of normal everyday citizens on that jury willing to raise their hand and say "not guilty."

Personally, I think Chauvin is guilty, at least of something, so I suppose at the end of the day we'll reach the result we should. But we aren't more than a scaffold, some rope, pitchforks and torches removed from Arizona justice in the 1880's with this case.

White guy gets trial under presuppositions that are only supposed to apply to black guys. Film at eleven.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

That's mild compared to what could happen.

If Chauvin is acquited this country is going to see rioting the likes of which is has never seen. Think Detroit 1967 times ten and repeated in every city in the United States where cops are out of control. Which is pretty much every city in the United States.

The phrase "electing Biden in 2020 is essential but not sufficient" was uttered many times over the last election cycle. Well, convicting Chauvin in 2021 is essential but not sufficient" carries the same meaning to me. Until we start seeing these cops pay for their crimes, even if the convictions are only for manslaughter, nothing changes.

 

[Kepler]

I'm hoping this is a tragic coincidence and not a harbinger.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota...st-minneapolis

Fire's the Right's signature move, from the Reichstag to the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing. I too hope we can keep the lid on insane racist whites going forward. Masie's bill to track and analyze domestic terrorism will go towards that. Let's see if the GOP tries to block it and really shows their true colors.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Let's see if the GOP tries to block it and really shows their true colors.

Everything the GOP has done in the 21st century has shown their true colors. 90% of what it did in the last 10-20 years of the 20th century did too.

 

[Kepler]

Everything the GOP has done in the 21st century has shown their true colors. 90% of what it did in the last 10-20 years of the 20th century did too.

Nazis gonna Nazi. The history books are going to be extremely severe on the dopes who think they are "Real 'Muricans" hurr.

 

[LynahFan]

I really just blame us as a society, and the politicians and media.

But you can't hold a whole police department responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted cops. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole policing system? And if the whole policing system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our governmental institutions in general? I put it to you, USCHO nation - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

(cue the kazoos!)

 

[psych]

Nazis gonna Nazi. The history books are going to be extremely severe on the dopes who think they are "Real 'Muricans" hurr.

Unless they win. The war is far from over, and the way I see it at the moment, we won the battle (Biden/trifecta), but the GOP is winning the decade war through the inevitable gains in redistricting they’ll make through maintaining/gaining control of statehouses. Not to mention, rural bias of the Senate will continue to strengthen in the GOP’s favor. You know all of this.