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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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St. Clown said:
I think part of the difference is that the cop tuck to the truck happened in a small town. The more we see this, I think it’s the urban cops are that much more jittery than the more rural areas. Or perhaps it’s just a law of averages.
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If this was true why do we not see a proportionally equal number of black cops shooting unarmed white men? There are far more black cops in cities than out in the hollers and valleys of West Virginia. Ascribing anything other than rasicm (systemic or individualized bigotry) to these shootings does not help.
 
MichVandal said:
I tire of that excuse. Why even yell, demand, and chase if it "happens so fast" that you shoot anyway? Seems like the procedure the cop followed is pretty weak if shooting is and ok outcome of that.

Let him run, or take a few steps and then slow down. How is it that shooting at that point is not an overreaction?
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Isn't that called "Shoot first, ask questions later"?
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
If this was true why do we not see a proportionally equal number of black cops shooting unarmed white men? There are far more black cops in cities than out in the hollers and valleys of West Virginia. Ascribing anything other than rasicm (systemic or individualized bigotry) to these shootings does not help.
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I honestly don’t think there are all that many black cops in the US, as a percentage. Does anybody know a source for demographic data on the subject?
 
St. Clown said:
I think part of the difference is that the cop tuck to the truck happened in a small town. The more we see this, I think it’s the urban cops are that much more jittery than the more rural areas. Or perhaps it’s just a law of averages.
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A cop once told me "the larger agency you work for the more people have a beef with you."

Same cop also told me "better to be tried by twelve than carried by six."
 
Don Lemon rarely speaks for me...except when talking about Trump. He is allowed his opinion but it doesn't surprise me he and I differ on this.

And yeah it happened in a split second...but so what the kid did what the cop said. How is he supposed to comply any other way? This is what we are telling you about the idiotic "he should comply" crap cop defenders always say. Complying is just as deadly an act as non-compliance because any action is deemed as an act of aggression or threat towards the cop. The cop is "triggered" so anything could set him off.

The cop should be fired and charged. They can argue mitigation if they like but the video shows the cop didn't act in self defense.
 
St. Clown said:
I honestly don’t think there are all that many black cops in the US, as a percentage. Does anybody know a source for demographic data on the subject?
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Some departments do a better job than others of coming close to matching the racial makeup of the communities they police. The Los Angeles police department is one. Overall a little whiter than LA is, but the proportion of Black, Hispanic and Asian officers comes close to matching LA. In Detroit, 2/3rds of the cops are Black, compared to about 80% of the overall population.

Overall, about 2/3rds of all cops are white in this country. Blacks make up the largest share of the minorities officers, about 12%, which is a little under but close to the percentage of Blacks in America.

Unfortunately what is happening now in many cities is Black officers are leaving quicker. I wonder why?
 
What's this movement to primary Walz I'm suddenly seeing from the Twitter left? Apparently people are pi55ed that he called in the National Guard to enforce the curfew and breakup protests with tear gas?
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
What's this movement to primary Walz I'm suddenly seeing from the Twitter left? Apparently people are pi55ed that he called in the National Guard to enforce the curfew and breakup protests with tear gas?
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That pretty much sums it up. Depending on who you talk to, he's either a gutless pollyanna or a jackbooted thug. Pretty impressive, actually.
 
Cue FOP Butthurt in 5, 4, 3, ...

Attorney General Merrick Garland on Friday rescinded a Trump-era memo that curtailed the use of consent decrees that federal prosecutors have used in sweeping investigations of police departments.

Garland issued a new memorandum to all U.S. attorneys and other Justice Department leaders spelling out the new policies on civil agreements and consent decrees with state and local governments.

The memo comes as the Justice Department shifts its priorities to focus more on civil rights issues, criminal justice overhauls and policing policies in the wake of nationwide protests over the death of Black Americans at the hands of law enforcement.

In easing restrictions placed on the use of consent decrees, the Justice Department is making it easier for its prosecutors to use the tool to force changes at police departments and other government agencies with widespread abuse and misconduct.

The memo in particular rescinds a previous memo issued by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions shortly before he resigned in November 2018.
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state of hockey said:
That pretty much sums it up. Depending on who you talk to, he's either a gutless pollyanna or a jackbooted thug. Pretty impressive, actually.
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You can be both at the same time. Some would argue they're completely congruent positions

You don't get to fire teargas at apartment buildings - teargas the DNR flew in from out of state - brag about the the largest mobilization of law enforcement in state history, and say you're taking a measured and cautious approach. Some may argue that the national guard is just an escalation of the militarization of law enforcement.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
You can be both at the same time. Some would argue they're completely congruent positions

You don't get to fire teargas at apartment buildings - teargas the DNR flew in from out of state - brag about the the largest mobilization of law enforcement in state history, and say you're taking a measured and cautious approach. Some may argue that the national guard is just an escalation of the militarization of law enforcement.
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He tried the hands off approach a year ago. It did not work.

Did the police cause the unrest? I honestly think so. Now people are out rioting and looting, and they're mixed with people that want to peacefully demonstrate. Unfortunately for our leaders, the only group that can clear it up and get it to stop, are the police.

I'm all for the demilitarization of police for most situations they respond to. But when there's a large number of very angry people (which is justified) that are willing to destroy and burn entire neighborhoods, what the hell are they supposed to deploy?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah, this is totally acceptable

https://twitter.com/goddessthemuse/s...557959168?s=21

and this is totally normal

https://twitter.com/bylizsawyer/stat...084861444?s=21
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I remember you being very angry about destruction of property last year. What changed?

Are all of these people going to loot and burn buildings? Probably not. But when the police are facing a huge group of people with varied goals in mind, what are they supposed to do?

Last year they were much more passive the first three or four nights. Uptown burned, a precinct was overtaken, lake street was reduced to ash, and University Ave in Saint Paul didn't do much better.

To each their own I guess? I don't mind them not letting it get there this time around. Things obviously have to change, but it is real hard to change anything when the people that want to enact such change aren't re-elected because they let everything burn.
 
state of hockey said:
I remember you being very angry about destruction of property last year. What changed?

Are all of these people going to loot and burn buildings? Probably not. But when the police are facing a huge group of people with varied goals in mind, what are they supposed to do?

Last year they were much more passive the first three or four nights. Uptown burned, a precinct was overtaken, lake street was reduced to ash, and University Ave in Saint Paul didn't do much better.

To each their own I guess? I don't mind them not letting it get there this time around. Things obviously have to change, but it is real hard to change anything when the people that want to enact such change aren't re-elected because they let everything burn.
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You can want violence and looting you stop and also have a problem with the methods used.

Corralling, assaulting, detaining, intimidating, and photographing the media is a hard line
 
Fuck, man...

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state of hockey said:
I remember you being very angry about destruction of property last year. What changed?

Are all of these people going to loot and burn buildings? Probably not. But when the police are facing a huge group of people with varied goals in mind, what are they supposed to do?

Last year they were much more passive the first three or four nights. Uptown burned, a precinct was overtaken, lake street was reduced to ash, and University Ave in Saint Paul didn't do much better.

To each their own I guess? I don't mind them not letting it get there this time around. Things obviously have to change, but it is real hard to change anything when the people that want to enact such change aren't re-elected because they let everything burn.
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If the cops didn't attack the protesters, and just let them be, maybe directed them to areas, talked to them, etc- would the damage happened or not?

Which means- IF the cops just accept WHY people are so angry, and engage them to just talk about it and let them yell, protest, etc- maybe, just maybe, the destruction would not happen.

I base that on the police presence that summer that did exactly that, and the result was a very peaceful protest. Instead of coming out in riot gear, throwing tear gas, spraying people, etc- they come out in just their uniforms and caps and talk. Hide the military presence until it gets violent- as presenting it has not prevented that what so ever.
 
Exactly. There's a remarkable difference between standing guard around a police station vs using CS gas, rounding up journalists, and charging protesters.
 
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