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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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unofan said:
Oh go take a long walk off a short pier already. No one's buying your shtick that white people are opressed by cops.
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It is very tough to live without fear of anything and having the ultimate in privilege...we all have Affluenza!!
 
SJHovey said:
Yeah, obviously, you're always worried about the defendant tripping up.

But in this case everyone knows the facts. We know exactly what happened. If I'm on the jury, I want to know why? Why did he kneel on him for 9 minutes? Why did he do what he did, or did not do? Only Chauvin can answer that.
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I also think if he tried to explain why, he would get convicted. At some point, the question actually becomes- why did you not get up and check on him? And how would you answer that when you clearly did not, and there was no movement by the person.

And once he gets up there and tries to explain why, he gives away his 5th Amendment right to not answer "why didn't you get up"?

I think it would have been pretty easy to trip him up on the prosecution side.

I also think it makes it easier to have the jury make up their own story on why, instead of knowing it. When you know, then it's a question of do you believe him or not- which the prosecution can put a lot of question toward. Seems that it would be easier to find at least one person who would put it together like the defense wants them to- and that's all they need.
 
The Sicatoka said:
Not always.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...90dce0-6893-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.html

The guy was high and a Taser was used on him before this video sequence.
Twelve to the torso at close range from a 9mm before he goes down.
Twelve.
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When cops start randomly pulling over white people because they look like they don't belong there, or they should not own that car, etc. then you can pretend that there's oppression. Heck when clearly non-peaceful protests are actually met with riot police, then you could *barely* talk oppression- but even that is nowhere near when riot police with swat teams come out to drive off peaceful protests.

White people do get shot by cops, but they are not intimidated by them on a constant basis.
 
Handyman said:
People liked OJ though...

I doubt any lawyer would have put Chauvin on the stand because he probably always comes off as a doosh.

BTW if you are in Chicago get ready: https://twitter.com/BlockClubCHI/sta...80795388108807

(I guess it is graphic)

edit to add: This video I guess proves the victim did not have a gun (his hands are up as well I guess) when the cops killed him.
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The usual suspects on the Right are out trumpeting that the video (very terrible footage and they used a tacti-cool strobe light feature on their flashlight) proves the 13 year old was holding something in his right hand (looks like just his hand to me), and also show debris in the alley that "could be the gun."

The fact that the CPD waited days to announce how young that boy was is.... something. The whole way CPD handled this isn't good. It's gonna be a hot summer in Chicago...
 
aparch said:
The usual suspects on the Right are out trumpeting that the video (very terrible footage and they used a tacti-cool strobe light feature on their flashlight) proves the 13 year old was holding something in his right hand (looks like just his hand to me), and also show debris in the alley that "could be the gun."
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He's f-cked. The kid was holding a gun but threw it down when the cop said "show me your hands." Then the cop shot him.

Disturbing bodycam video released Thursday after public outcry over the Chicago police shooting of a 13-year-old boy shows the youth appearing to drop a handgun and begin raising his hands less than a second before an officer fires his gun and kills him.

A still frame taken from Officer Eric Stillman’s jumpy nighttime body camera footage shows that Adam Toledo wasn’t holding anything and had his hands up when Stillman shot him once in the chest about 3 a.m. on March 29.
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Black Super Man is gonna be really hard to foist on a jury for a 13-year old, though of course they'll try. I'm sure we'll hear he was on PCP which gives a darkie the strength of thousands.

Can we please just deport all the RWAs now?
 
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SJHovey said:
Yeah, obviously, you're always worried about the defendant tripping up.

But in this case everyone knows the facts. We know exactly what happened. If I'm on the jury, I want to know why? Why did he kneel on him for 9 minutes? Why did he do what he did, or did not do? Only Chauvin can answer that.
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Duh. He feared for his life. Big, scary black man.
 
Kepler said:
He's f-cked. The kid was holding a gun but threw it down when the cop said "show me your hands." Then the cop shot him.



Black Super Man is gonna be really hard to foist on a jury for a 13-year old, though of course they'll try. I'm sure we'll hear he was on PCP which gives a darkie the strength of thousands.

Can we please just deport all the RWAs now?
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So there's your answer asking if complying with cop demands help or not. No, they don't- follow them, and you still get shot.

Geez.
 
Kepler said:
He's f-cked. The kid was holding a gun but threw it down when the cop said "show me your hands." Then the cop shot him.



Black Super Man is gonna be really hard to foist on a jury for a 13-year old, though of course they'll try. I'm sure we'll hear he was on PCP which gives a darkie the strength of thousands.

Can we please just deport all the RWAs now?
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Don Lemon on CNN was defending the cop last night.
 
Kepler said:
Can we please just deport all the RWAs now?
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There is such division right now I believe the only solution is an "amicable divorce", peaceful secession by several States (or maybe by county in certain cases, e.g. Section 8 Minnesota from the metro, or NE Washington from Seattle). I fear the alternative may make 1861-1865 look like a garden party.

There's your de facto deportation (but of whom by whom).
 
SJHovey said:
Don Lemon on CNN was defending the cop last night.
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Will he tonight now that we have a video of the teenager complying with his hands up, and still getting shot?

The kid did the first step in de-escalation by stopping from running, dropping the gun, and putting his hands up. And he still got shot. Made whatever he did a capitol offence w/o a judge or jury even getting a chance to look at it.
 
The Sicatoka said:
There is such division right now I believe the only solution is an "amicable divorce", peaceful secession by several States (or maybe by county in certain cases, e.g. Section 8 Minnesota from the metro, or NE Washington from Seattle). I fear the alternative may make 1861-1865 look like a garden party.

There's your de facto deportation (but of whom by whom).
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How about we deport the cops and let the rest of us have the country to share? They don't seem to be helping tone things down.
 
First Time said:
And merely having the gun was enough for a death sentence...
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Merely having dark skin you mean.

We've all seen the pictures of lynchings in this country where the townfolk gathered around the hanging body of some black man who was hung mostly for not being white. They look jovial, laughing, smiling, like they are at a street-fest. Why? Because they knew nothing was going to happen to them. Not to the ones who pulled the ropes, not to the ones who tied the man's hands, not to the people who gathered around in celebration.

It is the same thing with these cops. They know nothing will happen to them. For a long, long time now they have gotten away with murder after murder. It is part of their "cop" DNA. For some, it is why they joined the force. I would bet my life that if every time some unarmed black man who was posing no real threat was shot by a cop and that cop was then prosecuted and appropriately punished, the cop in Brooklyn Center would not have "mistaken" her Glock for her Taser and Adam Toledo would still be alive.

Now maybe Derek Chauvin will actually pay for his crime. Maybe the cops who shot Adam Toledo and Daunte Wright will too. But there are hundreds of thousands of cops out there and for shootings like these to become a rarity, to become just truly tragic mistakes, will only happen when the white supremacists are removed from law enforcement and our society begins to effectively deal with the systemic racism that is basically in charge of our criminal justice infrastructure.
 
MichVandal said:
Will he tonight now that we have a video of the teenager complying with his hands up, and still getting shot?

The kid did the first step in de-escalation by stopping from running, dropping the gun, and putting his hands up. And he still got shot. Made whatever he did a capitol offence w/o a judge or jury even getting a chance to look at it.
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Lemon had the video. His argument was that even though the kid seemed to try to comply, the problem was it all happened in a split second.
 
MichVandal said:
As I see the video, guns were not even drawn. Nor a taser.

Get shot for resisting arrest if you are black, give a cop a ride and hammer him- just get arrested. Yea, fair.
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I think part of the difference is that the cop tuck to the truck happened in a small town. The more we see this, I think it’s the urban cops are that much more jittery than the more rural areas. Or perhaps it’s just a law of averages.
 
SJHovey said:
Lemon had the video. His argument was that even though the kid seemed to try to comply, the problem was it all happened in a split second.
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I tire of that excuse. Why even yell, demand, and chase if it "happens so fast" that you shoot anyway? Seems like the procedure the cop followed is pretty weak if shooting is and ok outcome of that.

Let him run, or take a few steps and then slow down. How is it that shooting at that point is not an overreaction?
 
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