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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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rufus said:
Hey, you know, if there weren't so many freakin' guns out there, cops wouldn't have to assume every time they make a stop that the person might be armed and dangerous.

Just a thought.
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This. My friends who used to be cops- all quit- had that fear with all the conceal and carry permits now
 
Slap Shot said:
You can be compliant as all get out and still end up dead. When a cop has a gun pointed at you and screaming who's to say how "easy" it is to follow orders to the T without twitching?
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That's messed up. I just watched the end. Cop says, "put your hands straight up in the air, you put your hands in the small of your back or down, I will shoot you". Next thing, he tells the kid to crawl towards him, and to do so, the kid puts his hands down on the floor. I mean, that's what crawling is, right? It's like the cops are getting off exercising the power they have, playing a high stakes game of Simon Says, where, if you fuck up, you get dead.
 
The Sicatoka said:
I read that the window was tinted and you could not see the temp. Not an excuse at all, but another reason to hate car dealers if they put it where it couldn't be reasonably seen.
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You can see it in one of the videos. (obscured to protect him) That wont fly. even if they couldnt see it from inside their car when he pulled over and the cop behind walked up he could definitely see it.

There is a reason the cop was fired and the town is definitely going to settle this.
 
Slap Shot said:
You can be compliant as all get out and still end up dead. When a cop has a gun pointed at you and screaming who's to say how "easy" it is to follow orders to the T without twitching?
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Many of us are accepting that the cop in this case "screwed up" by "accidentally discharging the wrong weapon" because it was a heated moment but it is apparently too far afield to believe that a Black Person in a car with cops pointing a gun at you (in a country known for Black People having bad runs in with cops) might also panic a bit and don't deserve a friggin death sentence for it.

The stats don't lie, cops aren't in as much danger as they want everyone to believe they are. It used to be a point of pride that cops never even unholstered their gun in their career. Now they all want to be Dirty Harry. I don't care how much someone mouths off or is non-compliant death should only happen if there is a threat. Not a perceived threat but a real one. Just saying "I feared for my life" doesn't give you a license to kill. It means you are in the wrong profession.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
White guy hits cop with a hammer, doesn’t get shot

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota...ZbsqqTFdMB3I70
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Well apparently driving off with the cop still holding on to the car and then bashing him with a hammer is proper compliance.

There are videos of White Men as big as NFL players literally leaving their cars during a traffic stop and threatening cops and they don't end up dead. Black man gets pepper sprayed while his hands are outside the car because he dares ask what he did wrong.

Of course BLM protesters get sprayed and assaulted for daring to protest in the streets...and White Nationalists are walked out of the Capitol after they break in and defecate on the floor, steal property and threaten the lives of the SOTH, VP and kill a cop. (whilst assaulting others)

Maybe compliance is a euphemism for Caucasian...
 
Handyman said:
Well apparently driving off with the cop still holding on to the car and then bashing him with a hammer is proper compliance.

There are videos of White Men as big as NFL players literally leaving their cars during a traffic stop and threatening cops and they don't end up dead. Black man gets pepper sprayed while his hands are outside the car because he dares ask what he did wrong.

Of course BLM protesters get sprayed and assaulted for daring to protest in the streets...and White Nationalists are walked out of the Capitol after they break in and defecate on the floor, steal property and threaten the lives of the SOTH, VP and kill a cop. (whilst assaulting others)

Maybe compliance is a euphemism for Caucasian...
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Every time i think about that really obvious differences in how things are run, my heart cries.

Add in the white color crimes where almost nothing happens, even though there's sex trafficking involved, it's even worse.

Scooby- I understand your frustration with the vandalism- but when the treatment is death for hesitant compliance vs. just letting the person run for physical assault on a cop; and riot police for a peaceful demonstration vs. hardly any police for an obvious non peaceful riot- there should be some empathy for why people are SO, SO, SO angry.

There have been multiple, violent, riots here in Detroit for this reason. I don't condone it, but their pain and anger is real.
 
The Sicatoka said:
Investigate the statistics on carry permit holders and you'll find they have a lower rate of law violations (any law violations) than even law enforcement.
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Isn't that self-fulfilling? If you've already committed certain crimes, you aren't eligible for a permit. Once you commit a certain crime, you lose your permit. Consequently, those who are eligible for and have a permit by definition can't have committed certain crimes (and the other pool of people by definition includes all people who did commit those crimes).
 
unofan said:
Isn't that self-fulfilling? If you've already committed certain crimes, you aren't eligible for a permit. Once you commit a certain crime, you lose your permit. Consequently, those who are eligible for and have a permit by definition can't have committed certain crimes (and the other pool of people by definition includes all people who did commit those crimes).
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Statistics do show that people who hold a concealed pistol permit commit far fewer crimes than the general population. As in I am currently a concealed carry permit holder and I am much less likely to commit a crime than someone who does not hold such a permit. It's not just that you can't obtain, or continue to hold one if you commit certain crimes.

The problems are when states needlessly liberalize their rules and regulations for holding one. Frankly, I'd eliminate the ability to obtain or keep one for anyone convicted of ANY felony, and anyone convicted of ANY crime that does or could lead to physical harm. Even drunk driving, because it shows you can't necessarily be trusted to behave responsibly with a dangerous tool.
 
fwiw although it's difficult to find comprehensive data and I did not feel like digging further to make comparisons to the general public:

Florida revoked 11,189 concealed carry permits for violations such as misdemeanors or felonies between 1987 -2017. This works out an annual rate of 10.4 permits revoked per 100,000.

Texas had 148 concealed carry permit holders convicted of a misdemeanor or felony in 2016. This works out to a conviction rate of 12.3 percent per 100,000. When the Texas and Florida data is combined it shows that CCW permit holders are convicted of felonies and misdemeanors at a rate of 2.4 per 100,000. While among police the rate is 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Texas and Florida have some of the highest rates of CCW permit holders but the figures are similar in other states with less permit holders.
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