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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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Also, any "general disdain created for the cops" has been created by the actions of cops themselves, whether using excessive force, covering up the use of excessive force, or choosing to remain silent about such abuses. I do not feel bad for them at all and if the stress of the job is a problem for any of them, then perhaps they should seek another line of work.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Also, any "general disdain created for the cops" has been created by the actions of cops themselves, whether using excessive force, covering up the use of excessive force, or choosing to remain silent about such abuses. I do not feel bad for them at all and if the stress of the job is a problem for any of them, then perhaps they should seek another line of work.
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No, the general disdain for the cops has been created by you and other social media warriors. When a bad cop acts badly, and you use that to paint policing in general as bad (which has been done extensively for years now), you create that disdain. The effect is a lack of respect of, and open hostility towards, law enforcement, and an emboldening of actions by people like this clown in Ohio. That leads to good people bailing out of the service, or declining to apply, which leads to a lower quality of candidate, worsening the problem.

Honestly, along with the delegitimizing of our courts, it is something that you, or your children, are going to come to regret.
 
SJHovey said:
No, the general disdain for the cops has been created by you and other social media warriors. When a bad cop acts badly, and you use that to paint policing in general as bad (which has been done extensively for years now), you create that disdain. The effect is a lack of respect of, and open hostility towards, law enforcement, and an emboldening of actions by people like this clown in Ohio. That leads to good people bailing out of the service, or declining to apply, which leads to a lower quality of candidate, worsening the problem.

Honestly, along with the delegitimizing of our courts, it is something that you, or your children, are going to come to regret.
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jfc
 
SJHovey said:
No, the general disdain for the cops has been created by you and other social media warriors. When a bad cop acts badly, and you use that to paint policing in general as bad (which has been done extensively for years now), you create that disdain. The effect is a lack of respect of, and open hostility towards, law enforcement, and an emboldening of actions by people like this clown in Ohio. That leads to good people bailing out of the service, or declining to apply, which leads to a lower quality of candidate, worsening the problem.

Honestly, along with the delegitimizing of our courts, it is something that you, or your children, are going to come to regret.
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Jesus hovey.
 
SJHovey said:
This guy didn't get beat up. He didn't get shot. He didn't get abused.

They drug him out of his car after he refused a lawful command to exit the vehicle. You don't get to disobey a demand to exit the vehicle. Even when you are a paraplegic.

Dragging someone out of their car is never pretty. This wasn't pretty either.
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An officer demanding you exit your vehicle is not a de facto lawful command. There are criteria that must be met and in this incident I haven't fully seen if that is the case.
 
SJHovey said:
No, the general disdain for the cops has been created by you and other social media warriors.
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No, it really hasn't. The general disdain for cops has been created by the ubiquitous cell phone camera now capturing what before could always be waved away with the cops' word versus the alleged suspect's
 
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An officer demanding you exit your vehicle is not a de facto lawful command. There are criteria that must be met and in this incident I haven't fully seen if that is the case.
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I think that once the cops pull you over for a lawful reason that they can command that you get out of the car. So, if they pull you over for expired tabs or failing to signal or engaging in suspicious activity like going in and leaving a known drug house when you have drug offenses on your record, I think you have to get out. I think the courts have said the for reasons such as an officer's safety such a command is lawful.
 
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Jesus hovey.
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Explain how I'm wrong. If some people at Boeing cut corners and planes start falling out of the sky, do we blame Lynah, who is involved in designing aircraft? Should we declare as public pariahs every civil engineer once the I-35 bridge collapsed? You guys have, without a second thought, declared "cops" as public enemy number one when the vast majority of them are ordinary citizens doing excellent work in what can be a dangerous job.

And you wonder why good people don't want that job.
 
SJHovey said:
No, the general disdain for the cops has been created by you and other social media warriors. When a bad cop acts badly, and you use that to paint policing in general as bad (which has been done extensively for years now), you create that disdain. The effect is a lack of respect of, and open hostility towards, law enforcement, and an emboldening of actions by people like this clown in Ohio. That leads to good people bailing out of the service, or declining to apply, which leads to a lower quality of candidate, worsening the problem.

Honestly, along with the delegitimizing of our courts, it is something that you, or your children, are going to come to regret.
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What the ever loving fuck is wrong with you?
 
SJHovey said:
Explain how I'm wrong. If some people at Boeing cut corners and planes start falling out of the sky, do we blame Lynah, who is involved in designing aircraft? Should we declare as public pariahs every civil engineer once the I-35 bridge collapsed? You guys have, without a second thought, declared "cops" as public enemy number one when the vast majority of them are ordinary citizens doing excellent work in what can be a dangerous job.

And you wonder why good people don't want that job.
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It wasn't the left political party that systematically destroyed the government oversight for everything. Including the cops. You want systems in place to hold the right people accountable? Fix the government. The Government that has been completely dismantled since Reagan said the worst thing you could ever hear as an American is, ""I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.".

Well, you reap what you sow. And every fucking Republican since 1980 has been reaping this shit show we have now.
 
state of hockey said:
I actually agree with him that social media has helped drum up disdain for the police. We disagree that it has been unwarranted or is a bad thing.
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Good point. If not for those Social Media Warriors taking videos cops would still be respected despite what they do.

The UND contingent has gone over the cliff...
 
SJHovey said:
Anything Hovey says
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I know why people take offense and exception to some of the things I post. They are over the top, or repetitive, or downright crazy sometimes. But the difference between you and me is I know that about myself. I'd hate to go through life and be so completely clueless as to how wrong some of the things I think or say really is. You have no idea just how wrong most of what you post it.

Frankly I don't know why some of the sane posters here defend you. You come off as reasoned and low key, traits that I think are generally admirable. But to me you are just a clueless victim of your own privilege and are like most people nowadays in that you are 100% unwilling to admit that some of the beliefs and ideals you were probably raised on are completely wrong. In real life you probably are a nice guy and maybe a good neighbor. Here, I just don't see that.
 
And here I thought since cops had the ability to deny us our liberty they should be held to the highest of standards. Apparently I was wrong and they should have almost no scrutiny cause it will hurt their fragile egos.

I mean they have a tough job...life is hardsticking your knee in the back of neuroendocrine!

Meanwhile more copsdie of COVID than violence by perps and the dickless cowards are whining like children about mandates. They can fucking quit they suck at their job anyways.
 
state of hockey said:
I actually agree with him that social media has helped drum up disdain for the police. We disagree that it has been unwarranted or is a bad thing.
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Social media has allows the affected people to shine the bright light of truth on what’s actually happening. A few years ago I sincerely believed these abuses were rare.
 
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