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Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

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Slap Shot said:
That doesn't answer the question. What % of the problem is created by circumventing these loopholes? Better yet - how vast are the loopholes at the behest of the NRA-goons that nothing more can/should be done?

btw - where were all the law-abiding gun-toters in CCW happy TX to stop the fuckstains that killed these cops?
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I don't know the percentage. And I'm not pro-NRA, btw. They are friggin' nuts.

And the sniper was kind of a pro. Military vet, etc. He is/was probably smarter in warfare than the avg citizen. IIRC, it was mentioned that the body armor he wore would have stopped the standard police issue ammo, and do correct me if I am wrong in stating this.

We cannot stop everything at this point. We have to find that balance of rights/laws. Right now, it's obviously out of balance. So take a few steps that seal the laws that are enacted, and see what happens. I still believe it's more culture than law. It's sad, but I do believe it's true.
 
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Slap Shot said:
That doesn't answer the question. What % of the problem is created by circumventing these loopholes? Better yet - how vast are the loopholes at the behest of the NRA-goons that nothing more can/should be done?

btw - where were all the law-abiding gun-toters in CCW happy TX to stop the fuckstains that killed these cops?
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If the police are present, which they were, the correct action for a CCW holder is to stand down and let the police handle the situation.
 
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Brenthoven said:
There are ways and methods to make change. Becoming a sniper that kills cops is not one of these methods.
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Yes there is, and you and your ilk always rip them for doing it. Just saying...

Remember, the rage you are feeling now many of them have been feeling all their friggin lives. You talk about how people should feel or act but you have no idea what it is like to live life in fear. (I come from a family of criminals and even I cant relate) You can look back on the past and talk about how the injustice was bad but you and many others seem to turn a blind eye to it in the modern day. This whole thing is a death by a thousand cuts and the people that are killing are done listening to the platitudes. (and they are doing it in a sick way that deserves to be punished swiftly) They have spent years (some of them decades) listening to the average joe tell them how they should "sit still and shut up" and how it is just a few bad apples...they hear us talk about changing and fixing the system and yet things arent all that different now than they were in 1992. (or '68 depending on the area) Some can handle it peacefully and some cant. But lets not pretend like it isnt all BS ok?

And sorry but Slap Shot is right...this ridiculous meme about "enforcing the laws we have" is such a false rhetorical piece of nonsense. The laws we have are a joke, the loopholes you are yelling about are part of said laws. We cant close them, because gun owners fight tooth and nail to keep them. Put forth even the idea of stricter enforcement and we get 12 Cletus' screaming about the Second Amendment and how we want to take their guns away. They then show solidarity by wearing semi-autos to Target and posting pictures on Facebook about it. The loopholes dont exist because of the anti-gun lobby...you want to fix them you need to go to the source. (here is a hint: stop arguing with the Anti-Gun people about it cause they agree with you go after the pro gun Super NRA Weekend Warrior American Hero Wannabes) I agree the Second Amendment is important and should be protected...but not at the behest of Life and Liberty which trumps all.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And the aftermath of that is that presumably good cops are now being attacked. StL is one, there was another shooter in Tennessee retaliatiing, which accomplishes nothing. It's all related, and if you cannot see that, I don't know what to tell you.
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To be very frank, they have brought it upon themselves. By the "good" officers refusing to speak up and begin to enact meaningful change in the culture of policing in this country, this is what its lead to. I know it's a very callous thing to say but it's the truth.

If this whole mess is to stop, there has to be those willing to step up and say something. And it can't be just the "former police officers," it's got to come from current officers. The figurative "blue wall" has to come down.
 
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Handyman said:
Yes there is, and you and your ilk always rip them for doing it. Just saying...

Remember, the rage you are feeling now many of them have been feeling all their friggin lives. You talk about how people should feel or act but you have no idea what it is like to live life in fear. (I come from a family of criminals and even I cant relate) You can look back on the past and talk about how the injustice was bad but you and many others seem to turn a blind eye to it in the modern day. This whole thing is a death by a thousand cuts and the people that are killing are done listening to the platitudes. (and they are doing it in a sick way that deserves to be punished swiftly) They have spent years (some of them decades) listening to the average joe tell them how they should "sit still and shut up" and how it is just a few bad apples...they hear us talk about changing and fixing the system and yet things arent all that different now than they were in 1992. (or '68 depending on the area) Some can handle it peacefully and some cant. But lets not pretend like it isnt all BS ok?

And sorry but Slap Shot is right...this ridiculous meme about "enforcing the laws we have" is such a false rhetorical piece of nonsense. The laws we have are a joke, the loopholes you are yelling about are part of said laws. We cant close them, because gun owners fight tooth and nail to keep them. Put forth even the idea of stricter enforcement and we get 12 Cletus' screaming about the Second Amendment and how we want to take their guns away. They then show solidarity by wearing semi-autos to Target and posting pictures on Facebook about it. The loopholes dont exist because of the anti-gun lobby...you want to fix them you need to go to the source. (here is a hint: stop arguing with the Anti-Gun people about it cause they agree with you go after the pro gun Super NRA Weekend Warrior American Hero Wannabes) I agree the Second Amendment is important and should be protected...but not at the behest of Life and Liberty which trumps all.
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Um, I never have supported the NRA, so you can take that out of your diatribe. I'm in the gray area, and from your posts, you are too. We are between the NRA and the ALL THE GUN LAWS, in my opinion.

Jim: you're half-right. The "snitches are b*es" rule also has to come down. You go into a shady neighborhood (no matter what the color is, so to speak), your guard is up. And people aren't talking. Just as dangerous.

As Handy implied, we are closer in agreement than not. We all have to stop the black/white (figuratively) line intended, and start dealing in the shades of the issues. That is the only way we are going to get things done.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
To be very frank, they have brought it upon themselves. By the "good" officers refusing to speak up and begin to enact meaningful change in the culture of policing in this country, this is what its lead to. I know it's a very callous thing to say but it's the truth.

If this whole mess is to stop, there has to be those willing to step up and say something. And it can't be just the "former police officers," it's got to come from current officers. The figurative "blue wall" has to come down.
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And the exact same thing can be said about the other "side". It cuts both ways.
 
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Poor minorities don't have the same amount of power to enact change though that's where your comparison fails. And they are also held accountable for their actions unlike the cops who **** up.
 
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As long as that's applied to both sides fine by me. Problem is that's not the case.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Poor minorities don't have the same amount of power to enact change though that's where your comparison fails. And they are also held accountable for their actions unlike the cops who **** up.
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This (the link I posted) is part of "applies to both sides."

And given your posting history, you can stop with your bullsh* rabblerousing.
 
bigblue_dl said:
And the exact same thing can be said about the other "side". It cuts both ways.
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Please tell in what way minorities have brought any of the treatment they receive at the hand police officers? Keep in mind that the history of said mistreatment goes back to well before emancipation.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Please tell in what way minorities have brought any of the treatment they receive at the hand police officers? Keep in mind that the history of said mistreatment goes back to well before emancipation.
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I think he means, as do I, as Good Cops should snitch on Bad Cops, Good citizens need to start snitching on Bad Citizens. I mentioned the Snitches Are B*es rule earlier. That happens all the time. Police cannot do their job, b/c of that rule. No one talks. It works both ways.
 
Brenthoven said:
I think he means, as do I, as Good Cops should snitch on Bad Cops, Good citizens need to start snitching on Bad Citizens. I mentioned the Snitches Are B*es rule earlier. That happens all the time. Police cannot do their job, b/c of that rule. No one talks. It works both ways.
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You know where the "don't snitch" mentality comes from? Decades of police abuse. It was created because the police acted as an invading force putting their communities virtually under siege. Sorry but the onus is on the police in this country, until there is a fundamental change in the ways police forces conduct themselves, and their attitude towards said changes, then its frankly ridiculous to tell minorities they need to change as well.
 
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So at another website a guy is arguing the dead guy in MN put the cop on edge because he supposedly matched the description of a robbery suspect BOLO issued the day before. The photo of the perp robbing the store shows a black man (but of course) of whatever height, with facial hair above and blow his lips but no wider than his chin, the dead man has facial hair running up the entire side of his face. Also the perp was wearing a hat completely concealing his hair style. But I suppose dark-skinned so SAMESIES! And people wonder why minorities are on edge - it's not just the cops that put them all into one bucket.

I mean the guy actually wrote this: "For God's sake at least from a distance wouldn't you think they look at least similar?"
 
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Slap Shot said:
So at another website a guy is arguing the dead guy in MN put the cop on edge because he supposedly matched the description of a robbery suspect BOLO issued the day before. The phone of the perp robbing the store shows a black man (but of course) of whatever height, with facial hair above and blow his lips but no wider than his chin, the dead man has facial hair running up the entire side of his face. Also the perp was wearing a hat completely concealing his hair style. But I suppose dark-skinned so SAMESIES! And people wonder why minorities are on edge - it's not just the cops that put them all into one bucket.
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Because, in short, racism exists in our society but a lot of people want pretend it doesn't.
 
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So say hypothetically that we actually manage to get decent gun control through that started to put progress towards managing the issue.

We hear so much about admirable, law-abiding citizens who own cases full of guns from the gun backers here. Everyone can be admirable and law abiding if things go exactly as they want. We'd really get a chance to see just how friendly and peaceful gun-loving folks really are if real gun control kicked off.
 
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