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Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

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Slap Shot said:
Perhaps this is the source of the disconnect - I'm not saying there should be any negotiating with anyone that engaged in violence and/or assaulted anyone. If it's just dummies standing in the way though? I don't see all that much harm. And in this regard the cops are still the ones in charge. :)
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*tipscaptocivildiscussion*
 
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burd said:
Being old enough to remember the mid-to-late sixties does add some perspective to this.
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I remember reading about it. And also the OJ riots (had a friend that was basically jailed in a hotel there at the time). This stuff is for real, man.
 
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The formal protests should be held in the day time. It's much safer, and if you want to block traffic do it at rush hour.

The idea of this civil disobedience is to force the great mass of the unaffected majority to think, "this is inconvenient for me; I'll bet being a minority in a racist society is pretty inconvenient for them, too."
 
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Brenthoven said:
I'm disgusted by the tactic. Ok, sorta arrest us, and we'll go home. It's negotiations with law-breakers. No. You knowingly break the law, you pay the price. Sorry. It DOES set a precedent.
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You probably aren't intending this, but you're coming across as more ****ed off that people aren't being arrested than you are about people being outright killed. Just saying.
 
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Me as well.

And Kepler, while you are right that protests like that should be done during the day remember that a few of the people posting in here have advocated the idea of driving right through protesters blocking streets.
 
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Handyman said:
And Kepler, while you are right that protests like that should be done during the day remember that a few of the people posting in here have advocated the idea of driving right through protesters blocking streets.
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Traditionally, those people have operated with even less restraint at night.
 
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Hmmm...

Dont want to read here is the gist. The guy who released the newest video of Alton Brown shooting went to work the next day. Gets arrested for assault and battery. Handcuffed and shackled he is then informed (away from the prying eyes of others) that he is actually under arrest for unpaid traffic tickets and a suspended license. He admits he didnt pay the fines (he takes an Uber to work so he doesnt drive) and pays the fine off.

Now if this is in any way true that is one weird coincidence. (i.e. it isnt a coincidence) And I got picked up once for driving while suspended (he wasnt driving remember) and I never got handcuffed and shackled...

Oh and the cop in the MN case is saying he pulled them over thinking he was an armed robbery suspect. He kinda matches the description but just looking like a criminal doesnt give the cop the right to shoot someone.
 
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Kepler said:
Traditionally, those people have operated with even less restraint at night.
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True...but I am just saying I guarantee we would hear it in here if they protested during the day. Those posters said it as much when there was a protest that blocked traffic on the U of M campus. I wont name them but they know who they are.
 
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Handyman said:
True...but I am just saying I guarantee we would hear it in here if they protested during the day. Those posters said it as much when there was a protest that blocked traffic on the U of M campus. I wont name them but they know who they are.
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Ironically those are the people who the protest is most directed towards convincing: good people concerned about "restoring order." If you respect the law you are a prime candidate for demanding that equality before the law be extended to everyone. The protesters' central point is the police are not abiding by the law.

"Law and order" is typically invoked to suppress protest, but that's exactly backwards. Protest is the demand for protection under the law. The people who are uncomfortable with the protesters' disturbance are ironically the protesters' comrades in arms.
 
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Kepler said:
The formal protests should be held in the day time. It's much safer, and if you want to block traffic do it at rush hour.

The idea of this civil disobedience is to force the great mass of the unaffected majority to think, "this is inconvenient for me; I'll bet being a minority in a racist society is pretty inconvenient for them, too."
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No, you're being altruistic; allow me to be the realist: Most folks don't give a rat's rump. They'll see traffic stopped and they'll be PO'd that they're going to be late ( for work / getting the munchkin to day care / to their next appointment ). They'll hear what caused it later and just get PO'd at that group for the delay and for any damage the group may have done (see: active I-94 construction zone in St Paul; where do you think they got the rebar they heaved at cops).

Standing in the street and blocking traffic might be a net negative given the reaction it'll cause from some. At best it'll be as good as a Change.org petition (which is slightly better than arguing on Facebook or posting forums).
 
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Brenthoven said:
I interpret that as to who's running the show. And it shouldn't be the protesters. It should be those that have sworn to uphold the law.

Edit: I HOPE that you mean "who is the adult in the situation" but in this case, the protesters are not being the adults.
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There are adults and heros on both sides and there are dangerous elements on both. Not talking to you specifically, but...

The BLM group has legitimate grievances and police will poorly execute on its mission as long as the government gives the green light to the free use of guns by gangs roaming our poorest areas. Until you've spent time in these communities, you can't understand the ongoing gun threat the average family lives under on a daily basis.
 
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walrus said:
I'll bet some of the BLMers will rat the guy out, thats sarcasm btw
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But it's no more sarcastic that saying we should expect the Minneapolis cop's partner to rat him out.

The problem is that the human species like many others, is tribal in nature. We are black tribes and white tribes. The cops are tribes. The unions are tribes. Heck, this site is a perfect example of "tribes" formed based upon allegiances to different hockey programs.

With all tribes there comes a built in "us vs. them" mentality. African Americans feel it. The cops feel it. We as a society even reinforce it when we talk about different groups being "under siege".

Somehow we have to break through that tribalism, and until we do, none of this will change.

People talk about the "blue wall" that has to come down. It's no different for cops than it is for other groups.

If you ever get a chance to talk to a lawyer who sues doctors as part of his or her practice, talk to that lawyer about doctors and hospitals and how quick they are to "out" bad apples. You can privately talk to a doctor and he'll tell you how his colleague really screwed up. But wait until he's asked to go public with it. I think the medical profession even took steps to set up some sort of confidential reporting system to try get around that wall of silence.

There are probably hundreds of other examples.

Somehow it must be established with the police that they are not further endangering themselves if they step forward and identify bad actors. Not sure how we do that. They have a horribly dangerous profession and I too would feel concerned if I knew my back up was someone aggrieved by me publicly criticizing his earlier actions.

But the same is true in the black community. Somehow we have to work to establish with the black community that the police are not the enemy. That isn't going to be easy either. Until we accomplish those, our other efforts are just so much noise.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Could have been moved there. Cops have been known to plant weapons in order to make them look better.
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What I don't get about you is you know cops can act this way yet you utterly reject BLM. You do get that you are saying what BLM is saying, right: that the cops can sometimes act extra-legally and then rely on the system to exonerate them?

It's like you know BLM is right but since you read websites that portray blacks as predators you conveniently forget it when a case of brutality or fraud applies to them.
 
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SJHovey said:
But it's no more sarcastic that saying we should expect the Minneapolis cop's partner to rat him out.

The problem is that the human species like many others, is tribal in nature. We are black tribes and white tribes. The cops are tribes. The unions are tribes. Heck, this site is a perfect example of "tribes" formed based upon allegiances to different hockey programs.

With all tribes there comes a built in "us vs. them" mentality. African Americans feel it. The cops feel it. We as a society even reinforce it when we talk about different groups being "under siege".

Somehow we have to break through that tribalism, and until we do, none of this will change.
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We have broken up some tribes. I doubt there are many places in the US any more where Italians and Irish and Germans and English descendants abstract themselves out as a tribe or identify the others as rival tribes. Yet those used to be enormously important parts of individual and group psyche.

It's true our monkey brains make us territorial, jealous, and fearful, and then of course there will always be public figures who exploit this for their personal ambitions. But the more people rub shoulders with each other the more they realize their bigotries are inane. It's not a hopeless task. There are tons of things we used to kill each other over that we don't anymore.
 
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