Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

[Slap Shot]

Anybody in Minny know more about this?

Kos, which is far from objective, has the timeline as follows:

1. BLM "escorts" white supremacists from the crowd.
2. WS turn and fire on BLM.
3. Police tell BLM to pound sand.

From what I understand five protestors weren't shot it was 2 or 3, protestors have admitted to attacking them first for not removing their masks (meaning it was self defense) and at least one of the supposed white supremacists was Asian. So many parties to the protests (there was a live feed out there) were manufacturing claims (such as a recently spray-painted wall was at the hands of cops) that they have t gained much traction due to being so full of s##t. Oh and no credible evidence (including eyewitness testimony) has been found to show Jamar Clark was in handcuffs when shot.

 

[The Rube]

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From what I understand five protestors weren't shot it was 2 or 3, protestors have admitted to attacking them first for not removing their masks (meaning it was self defense) and at least one of the supposed white supremacists was Asian. So many parties to the protests (there was a live feed out there) were manufacturing claims (such as a recently spray-painted wall was at the hands of cops) that they have t gained much traction due to being so full of s##t. Oh and no credible evidence (including eyewitness testimony) has been found to show Jamar Clark was in handcuffs when shot.

From what I know....protesters launched Molotov Cocktails at cops. WS then shot some folks. BLM says they are peacefully protesting (which is true for the MOST part). It's a mess either way. Outsiders or not, it's time to stop this crap. Once the MC's were launched...ok folks, we're done here.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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Damming doesn't even begin to cover the Laquan McDonald video...

 

[The Rube]

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Damming doesn't even begin to cover the Laquan McDonald video...

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And I'm a cop-lover.

That CHI vid....JFC.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Oh and no credible evidence (including eyewitness testimony) has been found to show Jamar Clark was in handcuffs when shot.

I guess we won't really know if that's true or not until the video is released. The fact they thought 'There's nothing here you need to see. Just trust what this Important White Person says' was the right PR move does not make me optimistic.

 

[The Rube]

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I guess we won't really know if that's true or not until the video is released. The fact they thought 'There's nothing here you need to see. Just trust what this Important White Person says' was the right PR move does not make me optimistic.

The Governor has said there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other on the MPLS video. Too much stuff missing.

My note: I'd say he was wanting to find something conclusive, to put this thing to rest, for either "side."

 

[dxmnkd316]

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A little under 7 minutes long. First 5 minutes are primarily cop car driving on streets with lights on responding to call. Arrives at scene as the victim attempts to flee on foot. Victim proceeds to run/walk down center turn lane of 4 lane street. Walking away from camera. Cop cars approach from opposite direction and stop. At least two cops get out and approach victim. Victim sticks right hand into jacket pocket and retrieves something. Walks, angling slightly away from cops on foot. Shot from a distance of 20 feet or so. Falls to ground. Cop approaches and kicks object away from body.

As someone who has defended cops on here pretty vociferously, I can confirm.

Not sure it is first degree murder but certainly above manslaughter.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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You do see the result of (I think) three shots with the pavement flying up as the round passes through the body. The other 13, including shots in the back were not on the vid. However, you don't see the shooter as the police car camera was turned to the right and the shots came from the left.

Wait, what? There were more shots after the video cut?

 

[The Rube]

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As someone who has defended cops on here pretty vociferously, I can confirm.

Not sure it is first degree murder but certainly above manslaughter.

This.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Just to clarify, before anyone jumps down my throat, I don't think this meets the legal requirements of murder one. He didn't set out to kill someone that day. This was murder two. Most likely.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Oh, and before anyone claims the Minneapolis kid was in handcuffs or not, let's wait for the investigation to conclude before stating unequivocally that he was or wasn't.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Just to clarify, before anyone jumps down my throat, I don't think this meets the legal requirements of murder one. He didn't set out to kill someone that day. This was murder two. Most likely.

I don't think anyone would for thinking it's not murder one.

Serious question, has Chicago ever had a Rodney King like situation they've had to confront? I mean CPD has always had a bit of a notorious rep.

 

[joecct]

Wait, what? There were more shots after the video cut?

No. You see the first shot that drops the suspect. Then you see the pavement kick up for 3 more shots, you don't see evidence of the other 12.

If you slow the video down I THINK you see the officer who shot first, but you can't identify who fired the next 15 rounds.

 

[RaceBoarder]

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No. You see the first shot that drops the suspect. Then you see the pavement kick up for 3 more shots, you don't see evidence of the other 12.

If you slow the video down I THINK you see the officer who shot first, but you can't identify who fired the next 15 rounds.

The fact that a shot was clearly fired a couple seconds after the guy was down on the ground and making no more progress to becoming a threat is the most disturbing part of the deal...

 

[Handyman]

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Just to clarify, before anyone jumps down my throat, I don't think this meets the legal requirements of murder one. He didn't set out to kill someone that day. This was murder two. Most likely.

To be fair, premeditation can happen in the moment so to speak. For example if he was driving around, saw the dude and said "I am going to kill that guy" and then did it (no that would be dumb on video ) that would be premeditated.

For point of fact here is the Illinois requirements for Murder 1:

First degree murder is the most serious of the homicide crimes in Illinois. In order to prove that the defendant committed first degree murder, the prosecutor must show beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant killed an individual without lawful justification and either: Intended to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual (or knew that the act would do so); or Knows that the acts create a strong probability of causing death or great bodily harm to the individual; or The defendant was attempting or committed a forcible felony other than second degree murder (i.e. rape). - See more at: http://statelaws.findlaw.com/illino...-degree-murder-laws.html#sthash.dhlOU9sP.dpuf

They could definitely argue that a cop, trained in the art of using force, would know that his actions would kill or do great bodily harm. With that standard you can absolutely argue he should be charged with Murder 1.

 

[5mn_Major]

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From what I understand five protestors weren't shot it was 2 or 3, protestors have admitted to attacking them first for not removing their masks (meaning it was self defense) and at least one of the supposed white supremacists was Asian. So many parties to the protests (there was a live feed out there) were manufacturing claims (such as a recently spray-painted wall was at the hands of cops) that they have t gained much traction due to being so full of s##t. Oh and no credible evidence (including eyewitness testimony) has been found to show Jamar Clark was in handcuffs when shot.

That wasn't how it happened. 5 shot. WS were known to be threats because of previous appearances at protests and masked the whole time. The WS were clearly the instigators and went to the scene for that purpose. WS videos claim so. No such thing as stand your ground in MN where attackers get the benefit of the doubt. WS will get the book thrown at them...and should.

 

[aparch]

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Serious question, has Chicago ever had a Rodney King like situation they've had to confront? I mean CPD has always had a bit of a notorious rep.

No, not since 1968 when there were MLK Jr. riots and the Democratic Convention riots. But then again, I only moved to the area in 2005. There is quite the history of riots in Chicago prior to that though.


Still haven't watched the video, I think I can do without seeing it.


WBBM News Radio reported this morning that there were 18 complaints on this particular officers record over his 14 year career. If I remember the rest of the numbers correct, eight of those complaints were due to excessive force being used. Two of those excessive force complaints were due to his excessive use of firearm.

 

[Handyman]

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WBBM News Radio reported this morning that there were 18 complaints on this particular officers record over his 14 year career. If I remember the rest of the numbers correct, eight of those complaints were due to excessive force being used. Two of those excessive force complaints were due to his excessive use of firearm.

IF that is true...well lets just say some people are going to have some explaining to do!

 

[SJHovey]

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The fact that a shot was clearly fired a couple seconds after the guy was down on the ground and making no more progress to becoming a threat is the most disturbing part of the deal...

I suppose everyone reacts differently to a video like this, but there were two things that really bothered me. The obvious one is that he chose to shoot this guy who was plainly not making any threatening moves towards the cops, but was walking slightly away from them. Now, if what he grabbed from his pocket was a gun (I've seen nothing to support that), then I think this would be a much closer call.

The second thing that struck me was after it's over. They kick the knife or whatever it was out of the guy's hand. Then everyone just stands around, doing nothing. Maybe there is some protocol in cop shootings that you should not disturb the position of the body to preserve the scene, so to speak, but jeebus no one even bothered to go over to check to see if the guy was dead. They just let him lie there like a rabid dog that had just been shot. I understand cops may need to shoot people as part of their job, in certain circumstances. But once the danger has been eliminated, shouldn't someone go see if the guy's life can be saved? I suppose if you shoot someone 17 times you just assume he's dead, but for some reason that lack of action kind of bothered me.

 

[Kepler]

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The second thing that struck me was after it's over. They kick the knife or whatever it was out of the guy's hand. Then everyone just stands around, doing nothing. Maybe there is some protocol in cop shootings that you should not disturb the position of the body to preserve the scene, so to speak, but jeebus no one even bothered to go over to check to see if the guy was dead. They just let him lie there like a rabid dog that had just been shot. I understand cops may need to shoot people as part of their job, in certain circumstances. But once the danger has been eliminated, shouldn't someone go see if the guy's life can be saved? I suppose if you shoot someone 17 times you just assume he's dead, but for some reason that lack of action kind of bothered me.

My guess is it is the cop's judgment when the action is "over." It could be hard to tell when the target has lost consciousness and you do not want to get within lunging distance to reenact the last scene of every horror movie.