What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

WeAreNDHockey said:
So now, after a cop goes out and deliberately shoots a man in the back, lies about the events that led up to the shooting, plants a weapon on the dead man and tries to enlist the aid of fellow officers in his coverup, there is a movement afoot demanding that justice be served and he is tried for the crimes he allegedly committed?

*eta* I'm not saying the quoted poster finds fault with holding the person or persons responsible in my posted example, it just seems like -- once again -- the knee jerk response it to defend law enforcement first, second and last, or to mock those who protest when police use their powers to kill.
Click to expand...

You apparently are unaware of the whole story, the entire incident of the attempted murder of police in Boston was caught on tape from the outset. The man threatened them with a very large and dangerous knife, they repeatedly kept away from him while pleading with him to put the knife down, and he kept coming after them. So your fact pattern just doesn't apply at all to this case.

Not only that, but it turns out that the man who tried to kill the police left a voice mail for his father saying something like "dad, you won't see me again after today." He apparently planned to kill as many police as he could before being taken down. He also told a friend that he was planning to kill police.

So if you are going to get all self-righteous, try getting your facts in line first. I was talking specifically about one incident, and the response to it, even after it was so clearly documented that the man set out to kill police from the beginning and was very close to succeeding.

The outlier response, after all the attempts to convince the man, who kept coming and coming and coming, and was finally shot in justifiable self-defense, after all the conclusive video evidence and even the acceptance of said evidence by all the leaders but one in the black community, was that they should have tried to tranquilize him instead? Apparently that person doesn't realize that it takes time for tranquilizer darts to work, they are not instantaneous. What are those people who are under direct and potentially lethal attack supposed to do while they wait for the tranquilizer to take hold?


The plural of anecdote is not data.
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

FreshFish said:
You apparently are unaware of the whole story, the entire incident of the attempted murder of police in Boston was caught on tape from the outset. The man threatened them with a very large and dangerous knife, they repeatedly kept away from him while pleading with him to put the knife down, and he kept coming after them. So your fact pattern just doesn't apply at all to this case.

Not only that, but it turns out that the man who tried to kill the police left a voice mail for his father saying something like "dad, you won't see me again after today." He apparently planned to kill as many police as he could before being taken down. He also told a friend that he was planning to kill police.

So if you are going to get all self-righteous, try getting your facts in line first. I was talking specifically about one incident, and the response to it, even after it was so clearly documented that the man set out to kill police from the beginning and was very close to succeeding.

The outlier response, after all the attempts to convince the man, who kept coming and coming and coming, and was finally shot in justifiable self-defense, after all the conclusive video evidence and even the acceptance of said evidence by all the leaders but one in the black community, was that they should have tried to tranquilize him instead? Apparently that person doesn't realize that it takes time for tranquilizer darts to work, they are not instantaneous. What are those people who are under direct and potentially lethal attack supposed to do while they wait for the tranquilizer to take hold?


The plural of anecdote is not data.
Click to expand...

You apparently missed the point of my entire post -- including specifically the added part at the bottom -- which never insinuated that the events in your post were not an example of police using force in the correct ways. We all know there are disturbed, bad people out there, and sometimes they harm cops. But in this thread and everyone like it before, the knee jerk reaction by far too many people is to reflexively take the side of law enforcement, often refusing to change their positions even after all reasonable people have concluded the frigging cops were wrong.

Your one example of cops probably acting professionally, reasonably and within their rights is hardly "data" that law enforcement is not largely out of control in many locations around the country. Reading comprehension should be expected on forums like this. Yet daily I am disappointed.
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

WeAreNDHockey said:
Reading comprehension should be expected on forums like this. Yet daily I am disappointed.
Click to expand...

You are debating a fully automated talking point dispenser. Kitchen appliances would do better on a Turing Test than the Fishy 3000.
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

Kepler said:
You are debating a fully automated talking point dispenser. Kitchen appliances would do better on a Turing Test than the Fishy 3000.
Click to expand...

Well apparently an earlier poor choice of words on my part drove one poster away from this site entirely, and it is a little more civil as a result. Maybe a reasoned exchange, free of my throwing personal attacks out there, can have the same effect. ;):D
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

WeAreNDHockey said:
Well apparently an earlier poor choice of words on my part drove one poster away from this site entirely, and it is a little more civil as a result. Maybe a reasoned exchange, free of my throwing personal attacks out there, can have the same effect. ;):D
Click to expand...

Meh, if people don't want to read what you have to write, that's their prerogative. They just don't know what they're missing. :)

I'm almost curious to know, though, how I would do on a Turing test... :eek::p
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

Yes, this thread isn't proof that Pavlovian reactions to cops using force isn't a two-way street.
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

Kepler said:
You are debating a fully automated talking point dispenser. Kitchen appliances would do better on a Turing Test than the Fishy 3000.
Click to expand...

thank you for your scintillating insight, Mr. Pot.

Signed, Mr. Kettle.
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

WeAreNDHockey said:
You apparently missed the point of my entire post -- including specifically the added part at the bottom -- which never insinuated that the events in your post were not an example of police using force in the correct ways. We all know there are disturbed, bad people out there, and sometimes they harm cops. But in this thread and everyone like it before, the knee jerk reaction by far too many people is to reflexively take the side of law enforcement, often refusing to change their positions even after all reasonable people have concluded the frigging cops were wrong.

Your one example of cops probably acting professionally, reasonably and within their rights is hardly "data" that law enforcement is not largely out of control in many locations around the country. Reading comprehension should be expected on forums like this. Yet daily I am disappointed.
Click to expand...

Sometimes cops are right, sometimes they are wrong. There is not enough reliable data one way or the other for anyone to generalize. Each incident has its own unique features.

One set of actual data from a properly-conducted study is that citizen complaints against the police decline when the police use dashboard cameras / body cameras.

Criminals lie. Police lie. I'd take neither at their word.

You don't notice the irony in how you took one single incident from South Carolina and used it as a talking point, yet are annoyed that in response I took a different single incident to discuss?
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
You apparently missed the point of my entire post -- including specifically the added part at the bottom -- which never insinuated that the events in your post were not an example of police using force in the correct ways. We all know there are disturbed, bad people out there, and sometimes they harm cops. But in this thread and everyone like it before, the knee jerk reaction by far too many people is to reflexively take the side of law enforcement, often refusing to change their positions even after all reasonable people have concluded the frigging cops were wrong.

Your one example of cops probably acting professionally, reasonably and within their rights is hardly "data" that law enforcement is not largely out of control in many locations around the country. Reading comprehension should be expected on forums like this. Yet daily I am disappointed.
Click to expand...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRd5oucG114
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

See, cops ain't racist. Almost twice as many white folks killed by cops as black folks. Nothing to see here.
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

I'm thinking that guy doesn't have the temperament required to protect and serve.
 
Re: Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

ScoobyDoo said:
Are cops really this dumb nowadays that they don't know they're being taped?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-after-wild-pool-party-video-surfaces-n371281

What an idiot.
Click to expand...

Notice how the media only uses the word "alleged" when a magic badge is involved? Can't remember if it was NBC or another source in the government-media complex, but it does show the obvious bias.

And plus, they still do it because they know, even with the tapes, they can still get away with it, maybe a paid vacation to boot.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top