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Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

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rufus said:
Oh, so those Baltimore cops who killed Freddie Gray, who included black and I believe Hispanic officers, didn't make the news?
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Not all of them were. They may have determined that after the fact, which is why you don't hear it in the news all that much anymore, aside from riots.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Secondly, coincidence has not necessarily been removed. Because of the days of slavery, the body of the black man has been trained to be much faster and stronger (as is evidenced by the fact you see more of them in the more popular American sports). That obviously explains physical ability and potential magnitude, but not motive. It is true that many are given the illusion of persecution by the government media complex, resulting in them being desperate for vindication, finding brotherhoods/gangs, etc., resulting in said illicit activity, and can be more dangerous given the body statements earlier.
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Wow
 
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St. Clown said:
It's the Chris Rock bit from around 2000, only Col. Flagg's isn't so much a bit.


Or it's the ultimate bit. I can't decide.
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Larry Bird's even made reference to it when he was talking about how white men can't jump. Have as much cheese with that race whine as you guys want, but to take a book out of the Trofim Lysenko believers: Science doesn't lie.
 
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Kepler said:
More hijinks by New York's Finest.
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If incidents like these are supposed to be the isolated acts of just a few bad cops I have a few questions. Like, where do these rogue cops learn this behavior? If it is simply their own personality and their own failings as decent human beings we should be revamping our entire process of selecting and training cops. I spent the better part of my life training people at two of the 4 jobs I have had. I could tell when someone had the right makeup and personality to do what I was training them to do. With the BILLIONS we spend annually on law enforcement is it too much to ask for some effective training? If it is just the isolated acts of a few bad cops why do we never see the well trained and completely professional cops step up and say to the rogue, "you were wrong, let the person go with an immediate apology." If the 11 other cops that responded to the recent incident in McKinney Texas all behave properly and within the accepted guidelines how come none of them came up to the one guy of 12 who acted so completely out of control and -- at the very least -- questioned what was going on? If it is so isolated why does nearly every new day bring another one of these videos? And before anyone points out these videos only show a very limited number of the large number of police/citizen encounters daily I remind you that a very few of these encounters are recorded in the first place. How about all you people who support law enforcement come hell or high water start doing some taping of your own and show us all the encounters where the police acted wholly within their rights, in line with their training and in proportional response to the situation?

The fact is these incidents are hardly isolated and the "bad" cops are hardly just a few rogues. We have spent a generation training and equipping our police officers to behave more like occupiers than public servants who are here first to serve the populace of the cities and states where they are employed. Following 9-11 we have heaped praise and hero worship on them, often disregarding the many officers who behave neither heroically or deserve anything other than a swift termination (and in many instances prosecution). We "allow" a few bad apples because, some say, we need aggressive, tough cops to go after all the criminals that prey upon us daily. All of these factors and many others have created this situation. We really have ourselves and our over-reactions to blame. And these factors don't even begin to touch upon the racism that is still endemic in far too many police organizations and is at the root of many of the issues in policing today.

One of my best friends used to be a cop. More precisely a public safety officer, as the town he lived and worked in required all employees of both the police and fire departments to be cross trained and to perform both the work of police officer and firefighter. (This is used as a cost cutting measure -- and it effectively cuts costs if that is the only concern -- but is usually a horrible idea for any city of moderate or larger size for a ton of reasons that are not part of the points here) He was the kind of cop anyone with a brain and a working pair of eyes could respect. He dealt with people calmly, honestly and always an initial encounter was punctuated by his respect for the person as an individual and a human being. I used to ride along with him when he worked the police side of the department. I saw on a regular basis how people responded to him, and how they responded to the officers who DIDN'T treat people as the human beings they were. His encounters rarely included people getting out of hand. Never saw any violence. Never saw any real anger or vitriol directed in his direction. In fact I repeatedly saw him respond in quiet and low key fashion to people who didn't treat him all that kindly. People talked to him, suspects and witnesses alike. He calmed people down who were being arrested. He took situations that were crazy and on the verge of being uncontrollable to calm encounters where the police had a chance to get the information they needed. Sadly, he's no longer a cop. Once he told me that his superiors were getting after him because he wasn't writing enough tickets. Or making enough arrests. It was only my impression but sometimes it seemed as if a lot of his co-workers didn't respect his methods. This was at a time when I was much younger and was still -- believe it or not -- interested in pursuing my own career in law enforcement. That never worked out and I guess that was a good thing. There is no way I could fit into the culture of law enforcement in the 21st century.
 
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I think when real data is finally available and real investigations are conducted, we will find that police brutality is a lot like pedophilia among Catholic priests:

1. It has been an open secret for so long that you can find jokes about it going back many decades.

2. It is quite prevalent; far more so than outsiders have been led to believe.

3. The institution has always moved to protect itself by protecting bad actors and denying their actions, on the theory that it's best taken care of "in-house."

4. There's been a tremendous amount of denial about it both at the grassroots and among higher management, and many people will simply refuse to ever face it.

5. While most actors did not actually engage in the practice, most were complicit in covering it up or at least knowing about it and not speaking out.

6. There are always excuses, from the difficulties of the job to outright smearing of the victims.

7. Greater transparency is always the answer.

8. There will be little or no justice for those already victimized, but with pressure and transparency fewer people will be victimized in the future and future predators will be punished or even weeded out before they have a chance to act.

9. The institution, once reformed, will survive and be stronger for it.
 
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Yeah this is no different than the pedophile priests which was a long running joke/meme. (see also: Bill Cosby who was a known deviant in many circle long before he was outted as a rapist) Sooner or later it stops being an anecdote as the evidence piles up.
 
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Handyman said:
Yeah this is no different than the pedophile priests which was a long running joke/meme. (see also: Bill Cosby who was a known deviant in many circle long before he was outted as a rapist) Sooner or later it stops being an anecdote as the evidence piles up.
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I had no idea Cosby's actions were an inside joke. That's pretty sick they'd ignore a rapist in their midst. I can see it with priests and cops, but not comedians. :(
 
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St. Clown said:
It's the Chris Rock bit from around 2000, only Col. Flagg's isn't so much a bit.


Or it's the ultimate bit. I can't decide.
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Jimmy The Greek was fired and his career was ended for saying something similar.
 
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Handyman said:
Yeah this is no different than the pedophile priests which was a long running joke/meme.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE0mQSaYaNY

TVT&I even has a whole page on it.

Their earliest reference is from a 1950's book, but IINM there are jokes about it in The Decameron, which was written in 1453. Tale as old as time.

As for the cops, all the police procedure radio shows of the 1930s have a de rigeur scene where the DA and the Chief talk about how rubber hoses in the backroom "aren't used anymore," and of course the basis of the "usual suspects" joke in Casablanca is the police practice of false arrest to take the heat off themselves.
 
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Kepler said:
I had no idea Cosby's actions were an inside joke. That's pretty sick they'd ignore a rapist in their midst. I can see it with priests and cops, but not comedians. :(
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It wasnt inside, he just had too much power and money and no one was coming forward. Plus he wasnt exactly respected in Hollywood because he was famous for his casting couch.

Think of it this way, if 30 women hadnt come forward after the joke was made what do you think would have happened to Hannibal Burress' career? (or Seth Rogan and Judd Apatow) Cosby had more power than most for a bevy of reasons. (which is why some STILL defend him now and he still sells out shows) Read and Listen to This and Apatow explains some of what he has seen or heard over the years.
 
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Handyman said:
It wasnt inside, he just had too much power and money and no one was coming forward. Plus he wasnt exactly respected in Hollywood because he was famous for his casting couch.

Think of it this way, if 30 women hadnt come forward after the joke was made what do you think would have happened to Hannibal Burress' career? (or Seth Rogan and Judd Apatow) Cosby had more power than most for a bevy of reasons. (which is why some STILL defend him now and he still sells out shows) Read and Listen to This and Apatow explains some of what he has seen or heard over the years.
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Casting couch is one thing -- that's a decision the would-be starlet is making, and transactional sex isn't predatory per se (it is after all how marriage used to work before women had jobs). But Cosby was dosing woman and raping them -- that's crime, pure and simple.
 
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Kepler said:
Casting couch is one thing -- that's a decision the would-be starlet is making, and transactional sex isn't predatory per se (it is after all how marriage used to work before women had jobs). But Cosby was dosing woman and raping them -- that's crime, pure and simple.
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Sorry but only hiring girls who will bang you and then blacklisting those that dont (he has destroyed plenty of careers) is not transactional sex, it is harassment at best and Date Rape worst. Talk about knuckledragging...

He wasnt some two bit director on a cheap T&A film quid pro quoing the blonde starlet with no talent into a walk on role in Beach Bikini Wash 12...he was one of the most powerful men in the industry who used his status (and his show) as a method to feed his rapey tendencies.

The other thing Apatow is dead on about is that if Bill Cosby was a white guy the entire narrative of this would be different.
 
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Handyman said:
Sorry but only hiring girls who will bang you and then blacklisting those that dont (he has destroyed plenty of careers) is not transactional sex, it is harassment at best and Date Rape worst. Talk about knuckledragging...

He wasnt some two bit director on a cheap T&A film quid pro quoing the blonde starlet with no talent into a walk on role in Beach Bikini Wash 12...he was one of the most powerful men in the industry who used his status (and his show) as a method to feed his rapey tendencies.
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And yet, his influence was undeniable. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
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