Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

[dxmnkd316]

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It would probably be cheaper for them to interview around the time the F4 kicks off.

Ha, here's the post:

Well, it will be nice meeting you all when the Feds depose all of us after our resident nutjob does something stupid.

 

[joecct]

If you think your gun protects you against police brutality, we're going to see you on the news someday.

Yep. They have more firepower.

Caveat - most of the time.

 

[Kepler]

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Yep. They have more firepower.

Caveat - most of the time.

Even if they don't win the first battle, they're winning the war. The preppers' fantasies of standing off a hostile US armed forces is either funniest thing I've ever heard or the saddest.

Truth be told, though, the preppers, the cops and a fair chunk of the army come from the same dispensational premillennialist fever swamp, so if they ever do have it out on a large scale everybody wins.

 

[The Rube]

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Even if they don't win the first battle, they're winning the war. The preppers' fantasies of standing off a hostile US armed forces is either funniest thing I've ever heard or the saddest.

Truth be told, though, the preppers, the cops and a fair chunk of the army come from the same dispensational premillennialist fever swamp, so if they ever do have it out on a large scale everybody wins.

This is ONE thing that Kluwe was right about. A paragraph from his book (source: my bookshelf):

The Second Amendment is absogoddammlutely worthless in this day and age. If the government ever wanted to seriously oppress you, IT HAS TANKS AND AIRPLANES. Your kitted-out AR-15 with folding bipod, beechin' thermal scope, and custom-engraved Dale Earnhardt bald eagle on the grip will do approximately jack and sh* to any sort of modern mechanized force, especially one operating within its own logistical supply theater.

I am for gun rights, but that chapter in the book is pure gold.

 

[Slap Shot]

Yeah but no one is arguing violence against cops is a good thing..

I'd argue there's easily more of the general population hoping that bad things happen to cops as there are cops doing bad things and it's not even close. Bad cops must go without question, but the backlash is grossly disproportional to negatives inflicted upon society by criminals.

 

[SJHovey]

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Even if they don't win the first battle, they're winning the war. The preppers' fantasies of standing off a hostile US armed forces is either funniest thing I've ever heard or the saddest.

Truth be told, though, the preppers, the cops and a fair chunk of the army come from the same dispensational premillennialist fever swamp, so if they ever do have it out on a large scale everybody wins.

This is ONE thing that Kluwe was right about. A paragraph from his book (source: my bookshelf):



I am for gun rights, but that chapter in the book is pure gold.

No, he wasn't.

Preppers don't hold a fantasy of engaging with a modern day U.S. military, and pushing it back across the Mississippi river or something. Their vision lies somewhere between that of Eric Frein and a Jed Eckert led style of guerrilla bandits. Just a guy running around in the forest with his own weapon causing havoc, and claiming "freedom". It's the equivalent to the Confederate flag in the back window of their pickup truck. They know the confederacy isn't going to rise again, but it's their way of flipping everyone the bird.

 

[Kepler]

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No, he wasn't.

Preppers don't hold a fantasy of engaging with a modern day U.S. military, and pushing it back across the Mississippi river or something. Their vision lies somewhere between that of Eric Frein and a Jed Eckert led style of guerrilla bandits. Just a guy running around in the forest with his own weapon causing havoc, and claiming "freedom". It's the equivalent to the Confederate flag in the back window of their pickup truck. They know the confederacy isn't going to rise again, but it's their way of flipping everyone the bird.

Do you think preppers have a plan, or is it just a fetish hobbyist lifestyle, like Civil War Reinactors or Furries?

The only "rational" (to use the term lightly) prepper strategic "plan" I can imagine (putting myself in their messed-up heads for a moment) are:

1. The Things Fall Apart Plan: establish my own Heinleinian freehold after the center does not hold, the dollar collapses, all authority ceases to function, and the Negro Hordes come for my well water and white women.

2. The Seven Days in May Plan: hold out for a few hours/days against the Jade Helm-esque coup by the evil/librul/Muslin/Commies until the godly/conservative/Pentecostal/Capitalists in the army rise up, dethrone the AntiChrist, and establish the Millenium.

Neither makes any sense in the real world, but if we're just assuming for the sake of argument that the preppers' Manichean world-historical narrative was real, there's some method in their madness.

 

[geezer]

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I don't think "preppers" have any kind of unified vision or philosophy, do they? I think the only thing they have in common is overwhelming fearfulness, which could be stemming from anything and everything... mental illness, extreme poverty/deprivation, childhood abuse, violent video games, Detroit Tigers... Maybe modern media has drawn enough of these nuts out of the woodwork to give some sort of unifying identity, but there have always been nuts, in the old days you only would have ever heard of one or two "hermits" or "bag ladies" in your own neighborhood.

 

[Kepler]

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I don't think "preppers" have any kind of unified vision or philosophy, do they? I think the only thing they have in common is overwhelming fearfulness, which could be stemming from anything and everything... mental illness, extreme poverty/deprivation, childhood abuse, violent video games, Detroit Tigers... Maybe modern media has drawn enough of these nuts out of the woodwork to give some sort of unifying identity, but there have always been nuts, in the old days you only would have ever heard of one or two "hermits" or "bag ladies" in your own neighborhood.

The rapid influx of cultural change always turns about 10% of the population of rural backwaters into mystics and another 10% into psychopaths. c.f. Islamists. Same people, same effect, from Fayetteville to Falujah.

In his amazing series "Connections," done in 1978, James Burke ends the first episode (The Trigger Effect) by saying the Middle East is "experiencing the change it took the West 1000 years to absorb, but there it's happening in 1000 days. Imagine what sort of reaction that will cause." Presciently, he says this while standing on the roof of the World Trade Center.

Bumpkins take change badly.

 

[SJHovey]

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Do you think preppers have a plan, or is it just a fetish hobbyist lifestyle, like Civil War Reinactors or Furries?

The only "rational" (to use the term lightly) prepper strategic "plan" I can imagine (putting myself in their messed-up heads for a moment) are:

1. The Things Fall Apart Plan: establish my own Heinleinian freehold after the center does not hold, the dollar collapses, all authority ceases to function, and the Negro Hordes come for my well water and white women.

2. The Seven Days in May Plan: hold out for a few hours/days against the Jade Helm-esque coup by the evil/librul/Muslin/Commies until the godly/conservative/Pentecostal/Capitalists in the army rise up, dethrone the AntiChrist, and establish the Millenium.

Neither makes any sense in the real world, but if we're just assuming for the sake of argument that the preppers' Manichean world-historical narrative was real, there's some method in their madness.

I think they have a plan, I just don't think it's a concerted plan. I think most of them view their planning as a "fend for yourself" scheme, or at most, in concert with just a couple of your closest friends/relatives/associates. In a way I suspect most of them just think of themselves as a form of Boy Scout (be prepared).

Unlike others, I don't think they are necessarily crazy, mentally ill, evil or delusional. I think they have a fear that arguably approaches some sort of paranoia, but this is coming from someone with no psychiatric or psychological training or expertise.

I think their decisions really stem from a couple of factors:

1. Most come from relatively rural areas of the country where probably no more than a generation ago being a prepper wasn't frowned upon, it was required to survive. Those habits are deeply ingrained. I have a close friend who has a highly technical job involving the testing and rebalancing of large industrial equipment. Yet year round all he does is chop wood to heat his home, garden, make his own maple syrup, raise chickens and hogs for butchering and hunt deer, ducks, geese, etc..., for food.

2. They are relatively uneducated. I suspect they don't do a lot of traveling, making their lives all the more insular. They do not understand the language in their mortgage. They don't know how credit default swaps work. They don't know the difference between substantive due process and procedural due process. Yet these things control their everyday lives, from their jobs, to their homes, to the government that tells them what they can and cannot do. That doesn't mean they're crazy or delusional. They are just frightened. That is a normal human reaction. When people accuse them of being crazy, when someone threatens them, they only become more frightened.

In such a situation the natural reaction is to retreat into a place that feels relatively safe and be hyper alert to anyone who you suspect of invading that space or your possessions.

One of the things that continues to amaze me about this planet is that we have people who are walking around with a little computer in their pocket that lets them talk face to face with someone anywhere else in the world, all while whizzing across the sky in a flying metal can at 400+ mph. Yet at the same time, on the same planet, members of the same species are running around a jungle in only a loin cloth, chasing a wild pig with a spear so their family can eat tonight. They would probably be in awe of a power drill, and frightened half to death by a large majority of things most of us take for granted.

Preppers just fall somewhere in between.

 

[Kepler]

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I think they have a plan, I just don't think it's a concerted plan. I think most of them view their planning as a "fend for yourself" scheme, or at most, in concert with just a couple of your closest friends/relatives/associates. In a way I suspect most of them just think of themselves as a form of Boy Scout (be prepared).

Unlike others, I don't think they are necessarily crazy, mentally ill, evil or delusional. I think they have a fear that arguably approaches some sort of paranoia, but this is coming from someone with no psychiatric or psychological training or expertise.

I think their decisions really stem from a couple of factors:

1. Most come from relatively rural areas of the country where probably no more than a generation ago being a prepper wasn't frowned upon, it was required to survive. Those habits are deeply ingrained. I have a close friend who has a highly technical job involving the testing and rebalancing of large industrial equipment. Yet year round all he does is chop wood to heat his home, garden, make his own maple syrup, raise chickens and hogs for butchering and hunt deer, ducks, geese, etc..., for food.

2. They are relatively uneducated. I suspect they don't do a lot of traveling, making their lives all the more insular. They do not understand the language in their mortgage. They don't know how credit default swaps work. They don't know the difference between substantive due process and procedural due process. Yet these things control their everyday lives, from their jobs, to their homes, to the government that tells them what they can and cannot do. That doesn't mean they're crazy or delusional. They are just frightened. That is a normal human reaction. When people accuse them of being crazy, when someone threatens them, they only become more frightened.

In such a situation the natural reaction is to retreat into a place that feels relatively safe and be hyper alert to anyone who you suspect of invading that space or your possessions.

One of the things that continues to amaze me about this planet is that we have people who are walking around with a little computer in their pocket that lets them talk face to face with someone anywhere else in the world, all while whizzing across the sky in a flying metal can at 400+ mph. Yet at the same time, on the same planet, members of the same species are running around a jungle in only a loin cloth, chasing a wild pig with a spear so their family can eat tonight. They would probably be in awe of a power drill, and frightened half to death by a large majority of things most of us take for granted.

Preppers just fall somewhere in between.

Great post, all the way.

I'm not sure how to stop "threatening" people who honestly think that them not being able to discriminate against people they don't like is "oppression." Maybe these people truly are "live and let live," and it's just the politicians who whip them up into a fervor of self-righteous activism, but after 30 years of being on the wrong end of their spear, is sure seems like they're on offense, not just defense.

If they don't like what's on TV, turn it off. If they don't like gay marriage or abortion, don't have one. Once they enter the public sphere they can't be aghast it doesn't go all their way, and they're defining "an attack on our values" as them not getting to impose everything they want on everybody else. Well, welcome to society, snowflakes.

 

[geezer]

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I have a close friend who has a highly technical job involving the testing and rebalancing of large industrial equipment. Yet year round all he does is chop wood to heat his home, garden, make his own maple syrup, raise chickens and hogs for butchering and hunt deer, ducks, geese, etc..., for food.

I just call this "the good life." But, then, I'm more or less a bumpkin myself.

 

[SJHovey]

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I just call this "the good life." But, then, I'm more or less a bumpkin myself.

Last year he brewed up a batch of his own whiskey, brought a small keg of it to poker night and poured each of us three fingers or so. We all just looked around at each other like, "jeebus I hope I don't go blind", and let if fly. It actually wasn't bad. Probably could have used some aging. Personally, I like those guys.

 

[joecct]

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Kep

re your #1. Different time and age. It's now Muslim hordes.

 

[Kepler]

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Kep

re your #1. Different time and age. It's now Muslim hordes.

(smacks head) You're right. I shouldn't have missed that.

 

[rufus]

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I'm sure the Negro Hordes will be co-opted by the Muslim Hordes to do their bidding, you know, the whole "rise up with us and take down your oppressors" thing. Once that happens, the Muslim Hordes will be free to exterminate the useless darkies.

I'm not sure that all the gun nuts are preppers. There's a good portion of them I think that seriously believe the government thugs will be coming for them one day, and they need their weapons to protect themselves against that. Not full-blown military, but the cops and FBI.

Ironically, those who believe most ardently that it's their right to stand up against the police and FBI to protect what they hold dear, are also the same ones most ardently supporting the cop's rights to use whatever force they choose to against unarmed darkie thugs and criminals. Strange, that.

 

[Handyman]

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The Gun Nuts who really believe the government is coming for their guns are just another form of the 7 Day Adventists who really believe that THIS TIME they figured out the code right and Jesus is coming!! Just keep moving the dates to suit your argument and get the sheep a grazing!

 

[Kepler]

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Ironically, those who believe most ardently that it's their right to stand up against the police and FBI to protect what they hold dear, are also the same ones most ardently supporting the cop's rights to use whatever force they choose to against unarmed darkie thugs and criminals. Strange, that.

It's always been more than a little suspicious that the people most worried about authoritarianism are typically the people who are most authoritarian. Maybe their fantasies about jackbooted thugs are just them projecting. Like the guy who says "people must have fear of Hell or they'll just steal, rape and kill." Oh, really? What makes you think that... hmm?

 

[Kepler]

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The Gun Nuts who really believe the government is coming for their guns are just another form of the 7 Day Adventists who really believe that THIS TIME they figured out the code right and Jesus is coming!! Just keep moving the dates to suit your argument and get the sheep a grazing!

Why am I never the guy those people give away all their property to?

 

[Kepler]

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I'm sure the Negro Hordes will be co-opted by the Muslim Hordes to do their bidding.

"The white man uses the black man to kill the yellow man to keep land he stole from the red man."