Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Some SWAC team is going to get it!
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College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
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FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Funny!!!!
Actually though, I could see where that could lead to the SEC raiding the ACC in the future. If Miami does get the Death Penalty, the ACC would only be at 11 teams, and not able to have a conference championship game at the end of the year. The ACC's doesn't really make much, but eh, its money in the bank right? take that check away, and with it the likelihood of it not being there for a while, plus along with the fact that the ACC schools won't be able to sell a game versus Miami as well. That could lead to some schools that have kinda looked at the SEC before in the past with a little more interest.
Funny!!!!
Actually though, I could see where that could lead to the SEC raiding the ACC in the future. If Miami does get the Death Penalty, the ACC would only be at 11 teams, and not able to have a conference championship game at the end of the year. The ACC's doesn't really make much, but eh, its money in the bank right? take that check away, and with it the likelihood of it not being there for a while, plus along with the fact that the ACC schools won't be able to sell a game versus Miami as well. That could lead to some schools that have kinda looked at the SEC before in the past with a little more interest.
Handyman
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
And now tOSU will be swept under the rug as the 800lb gorilla that is Miami gets pimpslapped...they have to be loving this! (as is Oregon and Auburn)
If Miami does not get the Death Penalty then take it off the books because it has no value as even a threat anymore. this is not a joke, this is not *wink* *wink* type of stuff, this is full on SMU level only exponentially higher! Hookers, cash, abortions, yachts...there are rock stars that would be envious of the lifestyle these college students were living...all while getting a free ride to school as well.
If Miami is smart they give themselves 5 years probation, reduce their scholarship levels by a larger number than USC and release publicly every dirty little piece of information they have about what happened at their school. They should cut any players still around, fire any coaches that knew and name names of everything they know about what is going on with teams in the ACC. (and anywhere else they have proof of) They do that and I am all for not blowing them up...anything less and they should go by way of the dodo for a while.
What sucks is my good friend works with Miami for a recruiting site...this has to be killing him.
And now tOSU will be swept under the rug as the 800lb gorilla that is Miami gets pimpslapped...they have to be loving this! (as is Oregon and Auburn)
If Miami does not get the Death Penalty then take it off the books because it has no value as even a threat anymore. this is not a joke, this is not *wink* *wink* type of stuff, this is full on SMU level only exponentially higher! Hookers, cash, abortions, yachts...there are rock stars that would be envious of the lifestyle these college students were living...all while getting a free ride to school as well.
If Miami is smart they give themselves 5 years probation, reduce their scholarship levels by a larger number than USC and release publicly every dirty little piece of information they have about what happened at their school. They should cut any players still around, fire any coaches that knew and name names of everything they know about what is going on with teams in the ACC. (and anywhere else they have proof of) They do that and I am all for not blowing them up...anything less and they should go by way of the dodo for a while.
What sucks is my good friend works with Miami for a recruiting site...this has to be killing him.
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Not exactly - the "Death Penalty" is only a ban on competing for a year or two. There obviously wasn't a SWC conference championship in 87/88, so there's no precedent, but I am betting that the NCAA would allow the ACC to hold its conference championship game even during the death penalty season(s).
bronconick
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Here's the problem with the death penalty as used in 1987: Who is going to pay for the schools who are scheduled to play Miami to find a replacement game on their schedule with one year notice? Miami has non-conference games vs. USF both years, Kansas State and vs. Notre Dame in Chicago next year, Florida and a TBA at Yankee Stadium in 2013. Who's going to refund ESPN, ABC, and the ACC for not having Miami-Florida State, Miami-Virginia Tech, Miami-BC in addition to the other NC games available to be aired? FSU-Miami games are half of ESPN's regular season top 10 rated college games.
College football on TV was a drop in the bucket in 1987 compared to now. They're not giving out the death penalty because the contracts involved are too big for an organization that makes 98% of their money from a men's basketball tournament that requires the continued involvement of the conferences that these contracts are with.
They'll hammer them down with 60-75 scholarships lost over 4-5 years, but the death penalty will be saved for DII and III programs that wouldn't threaten to sue for millions in lost revenue.
Here's the problem with the death penalty as used in 1987: Who is going to pay for the schools who are scheduled to play Miami to find a replacement game on their schedule with one year notice? Miami has non-conference games vs. USF both years, Kansas State and vs. Notre Dame in Chicago next year, Florida and a TBA at Yankee Stadium in 2013. Who's going to refund ESPN, ABC, and the ACC for not having Miami-Florida State, Miami-Virginia Tech, Miami-BC in addition to the other NC games available to be aired? FSU-Miami games are half of ESPN's regular season top 10 rated college games.
College football on TV was a drop in the bucket in 1987 compared to now. They're not giving out the death penalty because the contracts involved are too big for an organization that makes 98% of their money from a men's basketball tournament that requires the continued involvement of the conferences that these contracts are with.
They'll hammer them down with 60-75 scholarships lost over 4-5 years, but the death penalty will be saved for DII and III programs that wouldn't threaten to sue for millions in lost revenue.
Why doesn't the NCAA have Miami pay those schools for having to break those non conference contracts? They're the ones who are getting punished here right? They make payments to those schools til they're paid up, or they work out a deal to make up those noncon games after they allowed to bring back the football program.
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Filling schedules isn't that big of a deal. People deal with it all the time, as teams shift to play somebody else. Arizona State filled a slot very late for last year's schedule (I think it was last year) when San Jose State bailed on them to get a higher payday in Madison. The money side, with ESPN, etc. is more interesting. Could someone like ESPN sue Miami for not providing product per their commitment (no idea how their contracts are actually worded)?
Filling schedules isn't that big of a deal. People deal with it all the time, as teams shift to play somebody else. Arizona State filled a slot very late for last year's schedule (I think it was last year) when San Jose State bailed on them to get a higher payday in Madison. The money side, with ESPN, etc. is more interesting. Could someone like ESPN sue Miami for not providing product per their commitment (no idea how their contracts are actually worded)?
bronconick
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
So, what you're saying is you want the top 60 or so schools to finally say "Fark it" and make their own division? Because if the NCAA dared to push any kind of real financial punishment, that's what you'll get. And in the process, kiss about half of the other championships the NCAA provides goodbye since their money maker will feature Georgetown, Butler, Marquette and Gonzaga as 1 seeds and 5 MAC schools in the tournament.
Bob, I think they'd have to include the NCAA, simply because Miami would argue that they're perfectly willing to still provide the content and the NCAA's lack of consistency in punishment would probably get them an stay at minimum. The NCAA's backed themselves into a corner they're probably not going to get out of.
So, what you're saying is you want the top 60 or so schools to finally say "Fark it" and make their own division? Because if the NCAA dared to push any kind of real financial punishment, that's what you'll get. And in the process, kiss about half of the other championships the NCAA provides goodbye since their money maker will feature Georgetown, Butler, Marquette and Gonzaga as 1 seeds and 5 MAC schools in the tournament.
Bob, I think they'd have to include the NCAA, simply because Miami would argue that they're perfectly willing to still provide the content and the NCAA's lack of consistency in punishment would probably get them an stay at minimum. The NCAA's backed themselves into a corner they're probably not going to get out of.
Handyman
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
ESPN can show other games...no such lawsuit would ever work. As long as there is replacement programming and the season is cancelled early enough that they havent lost a ton in ad revenue then in reality they have nothing to sue over. (they havent lost anything)
And the Big Conferences wont leave, not now anyways even if they are forced to pay damages because of this. That would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. How good is it going to look if they all leave because the NCAA chose to *gasp* make a severe example out a school that is about as dirty as they come and has been for about 30 years? Not to mention, such a move would kill the NCAA tourny since the entire "One Shining Moment/Cinderella" story is dead.
If a compromise needs to be made...then 80 scholarships (over 5 years) 5 years of post season probation (no bowls, no conference title games...etc) and 2 years of television blackout. (I would say not even highlights on any national broadcast but I am not sure if that is possible) If they have to be allowed to play, no one can watch them and they must pay back the networks since the networks paid them for the rights.
ESPN can show other games...no such lawsuit would ever work. As long as there is replacement programming and the season is cancelled early enough that they havent lost a ton in ad revenue then in reality they have nothing to sue over. (they havent lost anything)
And the Big Conferences wont leave, not now anyways even if they are forced to pay damages because of this. That would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. How good is it going to look if they all leave because the NCAA chose to *gasp* make a severe example out a school that is about as dirty as they come and has been for about 30 years? Not to mention, such a move would kill the NCAA tourny since the entire "One Shining Moment/Cinderella" story is dead.
If a compromise needs to be made...then 80 scholarships (over 5 years) 5 years of post season probation (no bowls, no conference title games...etc) and 2 years of television blackout. (I would say not even highlights on any national broadcast but I am not sure if that is possible) If they have to be allowed to play, no one can watch them and they must pay back the networks since the networks paid them for the rights.
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
They're pretty much already their own division anyways, and well, I believe if you took a straw poll of all of the BCS schools administrations, they would probably want the NCAA to drop the hammer on Miami. Everybody has known that Miami has been dirty for years, and yet they allowed THAT to go on? Heck, I believe even the SEC schools think that would be excessive there to have the guys out at Da Club every night and would probably begrudgingly agree that a death penalty is in order for Miami.
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Yeah...when the SEC looks at what you have done and says "HOLY CRAP!" then that is a problem. It is one thing to break the rules, but to basically throw a huge party with a large flashing neon sign saying "Screw the Rules We Are the U" and bring in drugs, strippers, hookers, celebrities and cash for everyone to receive that is a different story.
Yeah...when the SEC looks at what you have done and says "HOLY CRAP!" then that is a problem. It is one thing to break the rules, but to basically throw a huge party with a large flashing neon sign saying "Screw the Rules We Are the U" and bring in drugs, strippers, hookers, celebrities and cash for everyone to receive that is a different story.
MountieBoyOz
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Willful violators clause could come into play with Miami. Link. NC$$ prez Emmerty says that if it takes the 'death penalty' to deter more of this from happening he is "fine with that." The clause does mean they will look back to 2002 and that the normal 4 year statute of limitations will be over-ridden.
Willful violators clause could come into play with Miami. Link. NC$$ prez Emmerty says that if it takes the 'death penalty' to deter more of this from happening he is "fine with that." The clause does mean they will look back to 2002 and that the normal 4 year statute of limitations will be over-ridden.
In other words I think they're looking really hard at being able to drop the nuke I think.
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Has anyone else noticed that they, conveniently, can only go back to 2002, even with the statute of limitations overridden? Seems like Shapiro said 'I'll sing, but you gotta wait until they can't take our championship.'
Has anyone else noticed that they, conveniently, can only go back to 2002, even with the statute of limitations overridden? Seems like Shapiro said 'I'll sing, but you gotta wait until they can't take our championship.'
bronconick
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
What, Shapiro's going to make up some things he didn't do in 2001? He started his shenanigans in 2002.
What, Shapiro's going to make up some things he didn't do in 2001? He started his shenanigans in 2002.