bigblue_dl
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
My favorite part is the abortion.
My favorite part is the abortion.
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College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
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bronconick
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
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Honestly, NCAA, Drop the Tactical Nuke on Miami.
Not to sound cold blooded or anything, but how did they talk that girl into getting that abortion? You would think she would want to take her chances with the baby daddy being a decent draft pick in a year or two.
Honestly, NCAA, Drop the Tactical Nuke on Miami.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Miami should get the Death Penalty...there is no excuse against it, the sheer amount of illegal crap that has come to light is more than enough to show they have no institutional control and that the coaches and the school are EMBRACING this. An example needs to be made...
That said, they will likely get off easy just like tOSU.
Miami should get the Death Penalty...there is no excuse against it, the sheer amount of illegal crap that has come to light is more than enough to show they have no institutional control and that the coaches and the school are EMBRACING this. An example needs to be made...
That said, they will likely get off easy just like tOSU.
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yep, on the whole, it doesn't really sound all that out of the ordinary. Its just the amount of it and for how long it went on, and at how much of it Miami just seemed to turn a blind eye to. Hell, Shapiro all but picked a fistfight with Miami's director of compliance at the 2007 Orange Bowl press box. If that's not going to send up red flags there for them to check in on the guy and start turning down his money, then they likely know already whats going on, and just don't wanna know more about whats going on.
unofan
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I like how Sports Illustrated has brought its "Miami should drop football" article out of the vault and on the front page of its website this morning. Doesn't look like much has changed in the last 15 years.
I like how Sports Illustrated has brought its "Miami should drop football" article out of the vault and on the front page of its website this morning. Doesn't look like much has changed in the last 15 years.
bronconick
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
He started losing some access after the 2007 incident. Ironically, after the February 2008 recruiting class, Miami's had two straight crappy classes to the point where they basically needed a great season and class this year or cede the ACC Coastal to Virginia Tech for a decade.
Looks like that happened anyway. Golden's been recruiting a full step below Florida and Florida State this year.
Even without sanctions, they're probably down and out until 2015. With sanctions? 2020 or later and unlike USC, there are plenty of schools able to mine Dade and Broward. Three other BCS schools, 6 FBS schools total in the state and the SEC and Big Ten like to poke around for a few themselves.
He started losing some access after the 2007 incident. Ironically, after the February 2008 recruiting class, Miami's had two straight crappy classes to the point where they basically needed a great season and class this year or cede the ACC Coastal to Virginia Tech for a decade.
Looks like that happened anyway. Golden's been recruiting a full step below Florida and Florida State this year.
Even without sanctions, they're probably down and out until 2015. With sanctions? 2020 or later and unlike USC, there are plenty of schools able to mine Dade and Broward. Three other BCS schools, 6 FBS schools total in the state and the SEC and Big Ten like to poke around for a few themselves.
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Although I do see your point about how its just going to open the Miami up to everybody from a school with a decent enough of a recruiting budget that they can send a coach or two down there yearly. Miami had the edge there just by being the local big dog that everybody had to get past to get kids out of there. Drop the death penalty on them, and its going to be the Wild Wild West there with schools recruiting the area that has a whole lot of high end stuff along with a lot of poverty around just a few blocks away from the mansions.
Yeah, but they had a pretty good idea he was dirty, even if nobody was really saying anything about how dirty. They're still taking his money after that incident, so they're not really cutting back.
Although I do see your point about how its just going to open the Miami up to everybody from a school with a decent enough of a recruiting budget that they can send a coach or two down there yearly. Miami had the edge there just by being the local big dog that everybody had to get past to get kids out of there. Drop the death penalty on them, and its going to be the Wild Wild West there with schools recruiting the area that has a whole lot of high end stuff along with a lot of poverty around just a few blocks away from the mansions.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
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I wonder how USC will be punished for this.
Gotta stop hitting that sarcasm button.
I wonder how USC will be punished for this.
Gotta stop hitting that sarcasm button.
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
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The more I get into this story, there is one question that keeps popping into my head:
Is Miami the exception or the rule with boosters/cash flow like this?
This whole situation seems very similar to Baseball and Steroids... Although a few high profile programs are going to take the early heat, I think that once we dig into it, we'll see that almost any decent program is going to have outrageous violations like we have seen at tOSU, Miami, etc... It's going to be the norm, with fully clean programs being few and far between... It's just a question of how pervasive is the culture of the boosters really is.... Just like how every MLB team had steroid users on their teams, but with certain "stars" getting more heat than others...
Edit: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...s.reaction/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2
Article at SI basically calling Dee out and making him eat his words about USC...
The more I get into this story, there is one question that keeps popping into my head:
Is Miami the exception or the rule with boosters/cash flow like this?
This whole situation seems very similar to Baseball and Steroids... Although a few high profile programs are going to take the early heat, I think that once we dig into it, we'll see that almost any decent program is going to have outrageous violations like we have seen at tOSU, Miami, etc... It's going to be the norm, with fully clean programs being few and far between... It's just a question of how pervasive is the culture of the boosters really is.... Just like how every MLB team had steroid users on their teams, but with certain "stars" getting more heat than others...
Edit: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...s.reaction/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2
Article at SI basically calling Dee out and making him eat his words about USC...
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bronconick
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To a degree I'd say it's the norm. Getting discounts at places, taking shoddy classes, and getting $500-1,000 handshakes likely happen everywhere. And it's being openly viewed as okay, or the Big Ten and company wouldn't be pushing for paying their players. They (wrongly) think that if the kids have $500 a month to spend, they won't take the cash from boosters. I think that if the NCAA approves it, that means that kids will have $500 from the school and $500 from their rich booster for $1,000, but Presidents and Conference commissioners don't always see the truth from an ivory tower.
It's when you get into the $40,000 cash or a new car to a kid, $100,000 to parents or mentors, and giant parties with hookers where you get into things that are rare and where coaches get ticked at their rivals and stuff starts to get leaked.
To a degree I'd say it's the norm. Getting discounts at places, taking shoddy classes, and getting $500-1,000 handshakes likely happen everywhere. And it's being openly viewed as okay, or the Big Ten and company wouldn't be pushing for paying their players. They (wrongly) think that if the kids have $500 a month to spend, they won't take the cash from boosters. I think that if the NCAA approves it, that means that kids will have $500 from the school and $500 from their rich booster for $1,000, but Presidents and Conference commissioners don't always see the truth from an ivory tower.
It's when you get into the $40,000 cash or a new car to a kid, $100,000 to parents or mentors, and giant parties with hookers where you get into things that are rare and where coaches get ticked at their rivals and stuff starts to get leaked.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
You've been told that you're awesome all your life and you're going to be worth a million dollars... of course you're going to want money, of course you're going to want power, of course you're going to want more. It'll never be enough... afterall... you deserve it.
You've been told that you're awesome all your life and you're going to be worth a million dollars... of course you're going to want money, of course you're going to want power, of course you're going to want more. It'll never be enough... afterall... you deserve it.
unofan
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Back when I still was thinking of becoming a compliance officer, you couldn't have paid me enough to take a job in the SEC or select other schools (Miami, tOSU, USC, etc.).
Everyone might be corrupt, but definitely not to the same degree.
I think you could goto any major college and find violations with enough digging. I don't think you'd see Miami levels of cheating everywhere.
Back when I still was thinking of becoming a compliance officer, you couldn't have paid me enough to take a job in the SEC or select other schools (Miami, tOSU, USC, etc.).
Everyone might be corrupt, but definitely not to the same degree.
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Ive been waiting all summer for the story...and here it is. They werent kidding when they said that.
Ive been waiting all summer for the story...and here it is. They werent kidding when they said that.
First Time Long Time
Rebuilding
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
If Miami doesn't get the Death Penalty for this, then what does?
It's got to stop.
If Miami doesn't get the Death Penalty for this, then what does?
It's got to stop.
I would have to agree with this. I think it's pretty much impossiable to totally stopping all boosters from slipping kids who really need it some cash when they really need it. And hell, if it just stays at the few and far between hundred dollar handshake, I think I would be able to handle that. It's just the funding of all the players to pretty much live like they're in a **** rap video, well, dang gum it! It's just over the line.