College Football II: The BCS hits the Fan

[alfablue]

Re: College Football II: The BCS hits the Fan

There isn't. If Florida whoops some crappy team, it's OK because they play in the NFL-like SEC. If Boise does the same thing, they are ripped on because they play in a junior high-like WAC.

What the hell is Boise supposed to do exactly? They play Idaho and win, it's used against them. They don't play Idaho, it's used against them. They can not win. If they would just come flat out and say Boise St. can never play for the National Championship because [fill in the blank with terrible excuse], then Boise may as well play Idaho. But when there is still this illusion that Boise can play for the National Championship, playing Idaho just gives people another excuse to exclude the Broncos. Perhaps if the system wasn't completely rigged towards the big schools, the Boise-Idaho game could still take place.

We get it. You hate Boise and therefore don't think they should ever get to do anything. Even if they played Idaho and won 180-0 and went undefeated, you'd still take pleasure in them not getting into the National Championship game.

What should they do? First of all, stop asking idiotic demands of other BCS schools to get dates. They *could* play the Nebraskas and Washington's of the BCS had they not been so greedy. Then the rest of the schedule can be just like Notre Dame's and they will get in.

I hate BSU, yes. But isn't it clear that it's more about the money than the BCS? They KNOW that they are getting the short end of the BCS stick, but whine when BCS schools give them opportunities for home-home games but not the money. It's B$U.

If they had ANY credible academics, they could have a path toward the Pac-10, too. But instead they whine about the P10 ignoring them for some other reason.

They lie in the bed they lay, if they want money, then pity about thier schedule should not be given.

The sad thing is that the actual team is really good- it's the morons running the school that are trying for the money.

 

[redwing77]

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So this year's version would be KU vs...........

Hmmm.... Actually... there are much more teams that have worse records than even Kansas, but Kansas might have to make it to allow for some brand recognition. Here are the worst teams thus far:

San Jose State 1-7
New Mexico State 1-6
Washington State 1-7
New Mexico 0-7*
Akron 0-8*
Bowling Green 1-7
Marshall 1-6
Memphis 1-6
Minnesota 1-7
Duke 1-6

So if we're going purely by overall records and not concerned with FBS conferences that have BCS Autobids or whatever, then the Toilet Bowl front runners would be Akron vs. New Mexico.

However, this would not lend itself the the most $$ NC$$ could make. So, revisiting the standings, I'd say the frontrunners have to be Minnesota and Washington State

There isn't. If Florida whoops some crappy team, it's OK because they play in the NFL-like SEC. If Boise does the same thing, they are ripped on because they play in a junior high-like WAC.

What the hell is Boise supposed to do exactly? They play Idaho and win, it's used against them. They don't play Idaho, it's used against them. They can not win. If they would just come flat out and say Boise St. can never play for the National Championship because [fill in the blank with terrible excuse], then Boise may as well play Idaho. But when there is still this illusion that Boise can play for the National Championship, playing Idaho just gives people another excuse to exclude the Broncos. Perhaps if the system wasn't completely rigged towards the big schools, the Boise-Idaho game could still take place.

We get it. You hate Boise and therefore don't think they should ever get to do anything. Even if they played Idaho and won 180-0 and went undefeated, you'd still take pleasure in them not getting into the National Championship game.

I agree completely. I think it is tragic that Utah is off to Pac 10 next year because they know that what you said is true but Boise stays in their conference because of this stupid rivalry. So, in a way, they did it to themselves.

I'm really for bringing back DI-AA as a seperate division from FBS and FCS football. DI-AA would be the Sun Belt, WAC, MAC, Mtn West, and Conference USA.

Then those conferences would have something to play for.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Depending on the revenue sharing arrangements, most schools would be better off financially sitting at home come december, because the expense of travelling more than offsets that school's share of the money for participating. Now that's in theory offset by getting the share of everyone else's bowl game money, but then Kansas and Purdue get those same shares, too.

My understanding has been that it about cancels itself out. Teams get $500,000 for the crappier bowls, and the expenses for the trip are pretty close to $500,000. If there's any difference in cost either way, it's not significant.

 

[alfablue]

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I agree completely. I think it is tragic that Utah is off to Pac 10 next year because they know that what you said is true but Boise stays in their conference because of this stupid rivalry. So, in a way, they did it to themselves.

??? BSU is off to the MWC next year, and leaving the WAC. Once BYU annouced they were hinting toward a WAC alliance, Fresno and Nevada joined BSU in leaving the WAC to the MWC. Boise is walking away from the rivarly that so many of you dismiss as pointless. Taking the cash.

 

[LynahFan]

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Depending on the revenue sharing arrangements, most schools would be better off financially sitting at home come december, because the expense of travelling more than offsets that school's share of the money for participating. Now that's in theory offset by getting the share of everyone else's bowl game money, but then Kansas and Purdue get those same shares, too.

That's only true in the short term, though. If you sit home *one* December, maybe you break even or come out a little ahead that year. But sitting at home year after year means that your recruiting will slip, which eventually will cost you wins, and therefore fans, and therefore ratings, and therefore money.

 

[redwing77]

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??? BSU is off to the MWC next year, and leaving the WAC. Once BYU annouced they were hinting toward a WAC alliance, Fresno and Nevada joined BSU in leaving the WAC to the MWC. Boise is walking away from the rivarly that so many of you dismiss as pointless. Taking the cash.

My mistake. So Boise is leaving the WAC for another meaningless conference.

My point is that Utah is going to a conference that the pro-BCS people see as relevent. Boise is leaving one pointless conference for another. Unless MWC becomes a BCS Conference, then Boise is giving up a rivalry to get some cash and the same amount of irrelevence.

 

[Priceless]

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That's only true in the short term, though. If you sit home *one* December, maybe you break even or come out a little ahead that year. But sitting at home year after year means that your recruiting will slip, which eventually will cost you wins, and therefore fans, and therefore ratings, and therefore money.

In addition to the money and exposure, coaches get another 3-4 weeks of practice if their team is invited to a bowl. That can be worth more than any monetary gain.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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What would you want Boise to do? They can't do any right your eyes can they. The Mountain West may be in line for a BCS spot because of TCU and Boise. I'm from Big East country, but Boise and TCU would light up Pitt and West Virginia like a Christmas tree. I'm sure Boise will schedule Idaho to keep the rivalry going. Boise wasn't going to get invited to the Pac 10 even if they had the academics. They are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't.

 

[redwing77]

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What would you want Boise to do? They can't do any right your eyes can they. The Mountain West may be in line for a BCS spot because of TCU and Boise. I'm from Big East country, but Boise and TCU would light up Pitt and West Virginia like a Christmas tree. I'm sure Boise will schedule Idaho to keep the rivalry going. Boise wasn't going to get invited to the Pac 10 even if they had the academics. They are ****ed if they do and ****ed if they don't.

I think that's my point. There is nowhere Boise can go to gain respectability. There's no way Boise can play the schedule they'd need to gain it either.

The only way they could possibly do so is to get invited to a conference that has a BCS bid.

If the MWC gets that, then I think Boise will gain it. If it doesn't then, in my opinion, Boise is just a team who can just go out and play. Win, lose, who cares. It's not like they'll play for anything other than school pride and some irrelevent bowl berth anyways.

Do you get what I'm saying?

Put yourself on a football team. You're pumped up and you think your team can go all the way. Then coach comes in and tells you more about your teams situation and you realize that you could go undefeated winning every game by 50+ points. You could average giving up 10 points or less to the other team for the entire season as well. AND IT WON'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Sorry, man. You're on a team in an irrelevent conference. Seriously. Tell me how this is a just and fair system. Tell me why ANY school would want to be in that conference? Tell me why a 4 or 5 star recruit would want to commit to a school in that conference? So they can watch other players play in the NC Game in January?

 

[Priceless]

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I think that's my point. There is nowhere Boise can go to gain respectability. There's no way Boise can play the schedule they'd need to gain it either.

The only way they could possibly do so is to get invited to a conference that has a BCS bid.

If the MWC gets that, then I think Boise will gain it. If it doesn't then, in my opinion, Boise is just a team who can just go out and play. Win, lose, who cares. It's not like they'll play for anything other than school pride and some irrelevent bowl berth anyways.

Do you get what I'm saying?

Put yourself on a football team. You're pumped up and you think your team can go all the way. Then coach comes in and tells you more about your teams situation and you realize that you could go undefeated winning every game by 50+ points. You could average giving up 10 points or less to the other team for the entire season as well. AND IT WON'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Sorry, man. You're on a team in an irrelevent conference. Seriously. Tell me how this is a just and fair system. Tell me why ANY school would want to be in that conference? Tell me why a 4 or 5 star recruit would want to commit to a school in that conference? So they can watch other players play in the NC Game in January?

But enough about USC...what about Boise?

 

[alfablue]

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Let's not let Boise off the hook that much. As much as I dislike Nebraska, when Boise came calling Nebraska was willing to do a home-and-home. Boise said no to that because they wanted the money from a buy game ($1 million+, or about 33-50% above most buy game prices at the time of the offer) to come to Nebraska, which would've been more than they'd have gotten from a home-and-home.

So, it's not just about playing "anyone anywhere" - it's still all about the $$$ even for Boise.

This- at a bare minimum, is what BSU can at least accept- home and home for BCS and not for money. At least Nebraska and Washington, et al, would be on their schedule on a regular basis. That would be a credible start. This year, it was good that they got Virgina Tech and Oregon State- reasonably credible.

None the less, why do you care so much that I hate BSU more than you hate your rival? It's not up to me, and if they somehow manage to get into the mythical championship game, nothing I can do about it. I'm not the one taking them down since they play my school- the people who decide the BCS do. So what that it makes me very happy.

 

[bronconick]

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To be fair, the current Mountain West is more relevant than the BCS Big East and probably the ACC, as evidenced by the fact that had Texas missed a FG in the Big XII title game last year, TCU would likely have finished a few hundredths of a point ahead of undefeated Cincinnati based on their poll positions.

 

[NMU8405]

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BCS Top 10 this week:

10. Wisconsin
9. Oklahoma (HUGE drop)
8. Utah
7. Alabama
6. Missouri
5. Michigan State
4. TCU
3. Boise State
*******
2. Oregon
1. Auburn

 

[Priceless]

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There's a stunner.

 

[WeWantMore]

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I love Boise, but I don't think you can really argue with those standings right now.

 

[NMU8405]

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Auburn will not finish the season undefeated.
Oregon will lose to USC or Oregon State
Boise will win out.

What happens if Boise and TCU go undefeated? TCU has almost jumped Boise (only .002 points back). Id have to guess TCU, still with a game vs. Utah is in position for the National Title game compared to Boise.

Michigan State has a game vs. Iowa next week, then after that seems to be a easy road. MSU could easily play for a national title this year. Its early, but do you put MSU over Boise? A MSU team that had to have a trick play to beat Notre Dame and had to come from 17 down to beat Northwestern?

 

[mookie1995]

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Auburn will not finish the season undefeated.
Oregon will lose to USC or Oregon State
Boise will win out.

What happens if Boise and TCU go undefeated? TCU has almost jumped Boise (only .002 points back). Id have to guess TCU, still with a game vs. Utah is in position for the National Title game compared to Boise.

Michigan State has a game vs. Iowa next week, then after that seems to be a easy road. MSU could easily play for a national title this year. Its early, but do you put MSU over Boise? A MSU team that had to have a trick play to beat Notre Dame and had to come from 17 down to beat Northwestern?

boise will play tcu in the sugar bowl while alabama and auburn will meet for rd 2 in the bcs championship in the fiesta II!

 

[bigblue_dl]

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After reading this BS, I hope Boise wins it all just to **** off alfablue.

 

[bronconick]

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Auburn will not finish the season undefeated.
Oregon will lose to USC or Oregon State
Boise will win out.

What happens if Boise and TCU go undefeated? TCU has almost jumped Boise (only .002 points back). Id have to guess TCU, still with a game vs. Utah is in position for the National Title game compared to Boise.

Michigan State has a game vs. Iowa next week, then after that seems to be a easy road. MSU could easily play for a national title this year. Its early, but do you put MSU over Boise? A MSU team that had to have a trick play to beat Notre Dame and had to come from 17 down to beat Northwestern?

State's schedule *is* pretty easy, but every year the eventual champion has stuff like this. Alabama's unstoppable team last year needed two blocked field goals in the 4th quarter to beat sub .500 Tennessee at home.

 

[bigmrg74]

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But then every bowl not in the playoff will have no meaning, as opposed to now where every bowl game other than the NC has no meaning, and somehow that explanation is supposed to make sense.

Above all that, the Sun Bowl still puts money in the coffers. More money = improved facilities = improved recruiting = better bowls, possible BCS money = cycle starts all over again. I think some people lose that in the big picture.

That, and they get some sort of bowl trophy, and everybody gets a snazzy gift basket.