College Football II: The BCS hits the Fan

[amherstblackbear]

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If Boise wins the rest of their games, they will make the big BCS game in my opinion. The other undefeated teams will all find a way to lose. Hopefully they will have BSU and a half dozen one loss teams and the ridiculous nature of the BCS will continue to be exposed.

The big test will be Auburn at Alabama.

But, BSU doesn't need to be the top-unbeaten. If Auburn and BSU run the table, they should play for the crystal football.

Meanwhile, in the subdivision that's managed to figure out a playoff, the nerdgeeks* of William and Mary hung an L on an undefeated top-2 FCS team for the 2nd straight week. I'm on the bandwagon. Too funny to see a lib-arts institution win a football title, even if it is fCs.

*not their actual nickname

 

[MaizeRage]

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Just out of curiosity, did Oklahoma get hosed on that failed 2-pt conversion as bad as their radio guys seemed to think they did? It probably didn't matter since they couldn't stop Mizz or move the ball when they got it back, but maybe getting within one score would have given them some momentum.

 

[UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing]

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I expect Oklahoma to fall about as low as #2 in the next BCS standings. Gotta keep one of the brand names up there, or people might stop watching football and turn to mumbledypeg.

 

[unofan]

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It would be less aggravating if BSU were avoiding playing the BCS schools, but they have practically been begging them for games. No-one will play them, and yet the BCS punishes them for their sked.

Let's not let Boise off the hook that much. As much as I dislike Nebraska, when Boise came calling Nebraska was willing to do a home-and-home. Boise said no to that because they wanted the money from a buy game ($1 million+, or about 33-50% above most buy game prices at the time of the offer) to come to Nebraska, which would've been more than they'd have gotten from a home-and-home.

So, it's not just about playing "anyone anywhere" - it's still all about the $$$ even for Boise.

 

[alfablue]

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Let's not let Boise off the hook that much. As much as I dislike Nebraska, when Boise came calling Nebraska was willing to do a home-and-home. Boise said no to that because they wanted the money from a buy game ($1 million+, or about 33-50% above most buy game prices at the time of the offer) to come to Nebraska, which would've been more than they'd have gotten from a home-and-home.

So, it's not just about playing "anyone anywhere" - it's still all about the $$$ even for Boise.

AND they will not play their historical rival once they move to the MWC, since the stadium in Moscow is too small. BSU can whine all they want, but the hypocracy is a lot louder.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

AND they will not play their historical rival once they move to the MWC, since the stadium in Moscow is too small. BSU can whine all they want, but the hypocracy is a lot louder.

Just let it go already, I don think that is nearly as hypocritical as you repeatedly mention.

 

[Dirty]

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AND they will not play their historical rival once they move to the MWC, since the stadium in Moscow is too small. BSU can whine all they want, but the hypocracy is a lot louder.

So Boise does play Idaho and what happens? The morons use it as an excuse for why Boise doesn't deserve to play for a National Championship. They'll say the Broncos don't play anyone in non-conference play. Perhaps if everything wasn't so rigged against them, Boise would be much more willing to play Idaho.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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You should be allowed to play your in state rivalry without it being used against you. Boise St-Idaho is a big deal to that state, but the honks at the BCS basically forced the Broncos hand. I wish they'd have a playoff. I'd rather crap about who should've been the 8th team in.

 

[blockski]

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Let's not let Boise off the hook that much. As much as I dislike Nebraska, when Boise came calling Nebraska was willing to do a home-and-home. Boise said no to that because they wanted the money from a buy game ($1 million+, or about 33-50% above most buy game prices at the time of the offer) to come to Nebraska, which would've been more than they'd have gotten from a home-and-home.

So, it's not just about playing "anyone anywhere" - it's still all about the $$$ even for Boise.

Exactly.

And given Boise's limited budget, I don't blame them for trying to take the money. That said, they deserve to be called out for the 'woe is me, nobody will play us' schtick. Any coach or program that says they'll play anyone at anytime is lying - or at the very least, they haven't discussed it with their accountants yet.

UW had an open date that matched one of Boise's, too - they inquired and got the same ridiculous offer for financial terms, and UW said no thanks.

 

[French Rage]

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You should be allowed to play your in state rivalry without it being used against you. Boise St-Idaho is a big deal to that state, but the honks at the BCS basically forced the Broncos hand. I wish they'd have a playoff. I'd rather crap about who should've been the 8th team in.

But then every bowl not in the playoff will have no meaning, as opposed to now where every bowl game other than the NC has no meaning, and somehow that explanation is supposed to make sense.

 

[redwing77]

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I think the bowl system is broken like you say, but I also think they are short one bowl: The Tid-E-Bowl Toilet Bowl game (location TBD). This would be played by two teams who finished the year in FBS football with the two worst overall records. The conference is irrelevent (the teams can come from anywhere, SEC, WAC, Mtn West, wherever). The Trophy would of course be a plunger on a wooden mount, the plunger of course being made of crystal. The loser of the game would get the trophy. I think that this would get decent ratings much like the Who the Hell cares bowl and the 1045 other bowls not called "Orange," "Fiesta," "Sugar," "NC," and "Rose"
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In other news, I think yesterday showed the Big 12 fans at least why Texas didn't beat Nebraska. Rather, Nebraska beat themselves.

I'm not saying that Nebraska should be NC contenders. I don't think they're at the same level as Oregon. In fact, I think Oregon would blow them out of the water. I'm just saying that Texas' "win" wasn't as great as people seem to think.

This year also shows that playoffs are needed (discussed already at length here) and that all previous #1s weren't as good as the media thought they were (nor I, as I thought tOSU would be unstoppable... whoops).

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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The other bowls could still have meaning. It would be a goal for a rebuilding team (Syracuse) to know that they are making progress. The bowls that aren't in the BCS still play to full stadiums. They still get ratings. They still have meaning. A playoff would be a team's ultimate goal, but a bowl is still not a bad thing.

 

[alfablue]

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Just let it go already, I don think that is nearly as hypocritical as you repeatedly mention.

You may not think, but I do, as to many fans within the state.

So Boise does play Idaho and what happens? The morons use it as an excuse for why Boise doesn't deserve to play for a National Championship. They'll say the Broncos don't play anyone in non-conference play. Perhaps if everything wasn't so rigged against them, Boise would be much more willing to play Idaho.

And when big teams play 1-aa schools, there's no excuse? It's not as if the patsys that Florida and Texas play have any bearing on the program's history.

So the BCS championship is SO important that we turn our backs on history and rivals. Weak.

What's funny is that BSU, Nevada, and Fresno all get to lie in the bed they made- they all bail to the MWC and the top teams leave as they arrive. I have zero sympathy for them- it's all a money grab- not about competing.

As long as BSU keeps getting passed by "lesser" teams, I'll be happy.

 

[UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing]

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I think the bowl system is broken like you say, but I also think they are short one bowl: The Tid-E-Bowl Toilet Bowl game (location TBD). This would be played by two teams who finished the year in FBS football with the two worst overall records. The conference is irrelevent (the teams can come from anywhere, SEC, WAC, Mtn West, wherever). The Trophy would of course be a plunger on a wooden mount, the plunger of course being made of crystal. The loser of the game would get the trophy. I think that this would get decent ratings much like the Who the Hell cares bowl and the 1045 other bowls not called "Orange," "Fiesta," "Sugar," "NC," and "Rose"
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In other news, I think yesterday showed the Big 12 fans at least why Texas didn't beat Nebraska. Rather, Nebraska beat themselves.

I'm not saying that Nebraska should be NC contenders. I don't think they're at the same level as Oregon. In fact, I think Oregon would blow them out of the water. I'm just saying that Texas' "win" wasn't as great as people seem to think.

This year also shows that playoffs are needed (discussed already at length here) and that all previous #1s weren't as good as the media thought they were (nor I, as I thought tOSU would be unstoppable... whoops).

So this year's version would be KU vs...........

 

[Dirty]

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And when big teams play 1-aa schools, there's no excuse? It's not as if the patsys that Florida and Texas play have any bearing on the program's history.

There isn't. If Florida whoops some crappy team, it's OK because they play in the NFL-like SEC. If Boise does the same thing, they are ripped on because they play in a junior high-like WAC.

What the hell is Boise supposed to do exactly? They play Idaho and win, it's used against them. They don't play Idaho, it's used against them. They can not win. If they would just come flat out and say Boise St. can never play for the National Championship because [fill in the blank with terrible excuse], then Boise may as well play Idaho. But when there is still this illusion that Boise can play for the National Championship, playing Idaho just gives people another excuse to exclude the Broncos. Perhaps if the system wasn't completely rigged towards the big schools, the Boise-Idaho game could still take place.

We get it. You hate Boise and therefore don't think they should ever get to do anything. Even if they played Idaho and won 180-0 and went undefeated, you'd still take pleasure in them not getting into the National Championship game.

 

[French Rage]

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The other bowls could still have meaning. It would be a goal for a rebuilding team (Syracuse) to know that they are making progress. The bowls that aren't in the BCS still play to full stadiums. They still get ratings. They still have meaning. A playoff would be a team's ultimate goal, but a bowl is still not a bad thing.

True, but that is the case regardless of a playoff, even though the pro-BCS folk argue they somehow lose value if there is a playoff. Believe me, as a Stanford fan I knew last year's Sun Bowl was meaningless in the NC picture, but I was happy for my team to be there and another chance to measure ourselves against a good team.

 

[UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing]

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True, but that is the case regardless of a playoff, even though the pro-BCS folk argue they somehow lose value if there is a playoff. Believe me, as a Stanford fan I knew last year's Sun Bowl was meaningless in the NC picture, but I was happy for my team to be there and another chance to measure ourselves against a good team.

Above all that, the Sun Bowl still puts money in the coffers. More money = improved facilities = improved recruiting = better bowls, possible BCS money = cycle starts all over again. I think some people lose that in the big picture.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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True, but that is the case regardless of a playoff, even though the pro-BCS folk argue they somehow lose value if there is a playoff. Believe me, as a Stanford fan I knew last year's Sun Bowl was meaningless in the NC picture, but I was happy for my team to be there and another chance to measure ourselves against a good team.

As a Syracuse fan, I know we aren't going to the BCS. However, I'd be thrilled if we go to the Pinstripe Bowl, the Meineke Car Care Bowl or Liberty Bowl. It means were are out of the hole that Greg Robinson put us in.

 

[unofan]

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Above all that, the Sun Bowl still puts money in the coffers. More money = improved facilities = improved recruiting = better bowls, possible BCS money = cycle starts all over again. I think some people lose that in the big picture.

Depending on the revenue sharing arrangements, most schools would be better off financially sitting at home come december, because the expense of travelling more than offsets that school's share of the money for participating. Now that's in theory offset by getting the share of everyone else's bowl game money, but then Kansas and Purdue get those same shares, too.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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Depending on the revenue sharing arrangements, most schools would be better off financially sitting at home come december, because the expense of travelling more than offsets that school's share of the money for participating. Now that's in theory offset by getting the share of everyone else's bowl game money, but then Kansas and Purdue get those same shares, too.

However, it's a chance to get your program on television to potential recruits. Yesterday's win on TV showed that Cuse could hang with a West Virginia. That exposure is good. A bowl game is good publicity.