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This seems like a good place to point out Queen Elizabeth II was the longest reigning monarch in UK history, yet Cal never won a single Rose Bowl during that entire time.
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College Football 2022: “Here’s a twenty, bury two.”
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This seems like a good place to point out Queen Elizabeth II was the longest reigning monarch in UK history, yet Cal never won a single Rose Bowl during that entire time.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Decided they couldn't wait that long. Fired
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
unofan
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That's an expensive 3 weeks. 7.5 million extra to not wait until October 1. Not worth it.
Spartanforlife4
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I would have to think it's coming from donors. Or enough donors threatened to not donate more than 7.5 million if they kept him.
Maybe they were scared of what might happen if he was still coaching next week against Oklahoma. But based on the last two years it would've just been another one score loss instead of a blowout.
WeAreNDHockey
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I know of a rapidly rising offensive coordinator I'm willing to let go of, cheap. Somebody have Trev Albert's number they can share with me?
Kepler
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MichVandal
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Not to bash on ND too much, but they are a great example why pre and early season polls are junk. Can’t call any game early in the season an upset until you know how good a team really is.
Heck, App St may really be that much better than A&M.
The only real upsets at this point are crossing divisions.
Heck, App St may really be that much better than A&M.
The only real upsets at this point are crossing divisions.
WeAreNDHockey
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Agree about the junkiness of pre-season polls and the polls for the first couple of weeks. About the only thing positive in the old BCS system was they didn't bother with releasing any rankings until 5 or 6 weeks into the season. By then you have at least some idea about who is as good or bad as suspected, and enough data to begin figuring out where the suprisingly good or bad teams are on a week-by-week basis.
Spartanforlife4
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There will always be polls. Look at hockey. The tournament is literally locked in with a formula and there are still polls. They’ve even expanded in the last decade to rank more teams than make the tournament!
MichVandal
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It’s not that I’m against the polls, I just hate the early season ones. At the end of the season, the ND win for OSU is a top 10 win even if ND finishes the season out of the polls. And that is dumb.
Spartanforlife4
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Right. Plus the poll inertia that always benefits the P5. Perfect example is happening right now.
App State loses by 2 at home to UNC, then goes on the road and beats #6 A&M on the road.
A&M wins by 30 at home to an FCS school, then loses at home to App State.
App State has put in two good contests, and is a missed two point conversion from being 2-0, and at this point has a better resume than A&M, but A&M is 25th and App State is 27th because reasons.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Not sure if he's updated it recently,, but Ken Pomeroy did an analysis once of how predictive the pre-season CBB poll was relative to the others, and the shocking result (to me) was that the pre-season poll was a better predictor of the final four than the final regular season poll. I think I have that correct.
MichVandal
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Maybe, but there are enough over ranked teams that beating them has an unrealistic impact on the quality of wins. Enough teams have been underrated and made it to the top, it’s not as bad as an “upset” of overrated teams.
dxmnkd316
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I don't disagree. I'm also not sure Pom's study is truly applicable to football given the limited schedule and disproportionate negative value of a single loss (to any team) has on a team's rating (regardless of system).
But to your point, that's why computer systems tend to be significantly better than human systems. THey don't care when you lost or how "good" that team was at the time. THey look at how good that team is given all data available. I agree with you that you shouldn't get bonus points for beating a #1 team who then proceeds to lose six more games. You should get bonus points for one week and if that team continues to lose, those bonus points fade.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Well, yeah, there will always be polls because they are click bait, but what I meant was maybe we can reach the point where polls are entirely figurehead, like hockey.
Slap Shot
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In the grand scheme of things how often have EOY results (bowl placement, BCS placement) been disproportionately impacted because a supposed early season "upset" really wasn't once all things shook out?
SonofSouthie
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Totally lost track of BYU knocking off (#9 at the time)Baylor in 2OT. A trip to Eugene, Ore next Sat(3:30 on Fox)
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