College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

[LynahFan]

Re: College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

No, because the NFL didn't have any jurisdiction regarding the NCAA rules in the first place. That was before the terms of employment began.

I'm sure the NFL can pretty much suspend players for whatever they want (within the limits of the collective bargaining agreement, anyway). If the NFL thought for an instant that Reggie Bush-type situations were going to affect the league's revenue, they would suspend him immediately to nip this sort of thing in the bud.

However, it doesn't affect the NFL revenue, so they can just wash their hands of the whole thing.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Agreed.

The whole thing does make you wonder what USC did to get on the NCAA's bad side?

Being successful without a good tv contract, with sub-standard facilities, with a sub-standard facility...in a strong academic environment...with celebrities hanging on the sidelines and former USC/NFL greats.

How dare they! How dare they!

 

[Old Pio]

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If the NC$$ cared about stuff like this, the only D-1 programs south of the Mason-Dixon line would be Vandy and Rice.

Ahhh, the Rice Owls. One time at homecoming against Arkansas, the band PA announcer opened the show by saying: "Ladies, Gentlemen and Livestock!" Also, at a different homecoming, the students elected a refrigerator as queen. One time against A & M, the kid in the Sammy the Owl suit was dragging a stuffed border collie around, bumping him up and down stairs, into walls, etc. And the Aggie fans were going mad. Priceless.

In his famous speech announcing the flight to the moon, President Kennedy asked rhetorically, why does Rice play Texas. The answer, of course, is that once in a blue moon they win.

I was in Rice Stadium the night John Mackovic brought the Longhorns in for an easy victory. Rice took the opening kickoff, drove the length of the field, put it in the end zone and missed the PAT--6-0.

Texas muffed the kickoff, Rice recovered, and eventually kicked a field goal. 9-0 and Texas hadn't even snapped the ball. The Owls hung on for the win and on one sweep Mackovic was kayoed by his own running back.
THAT was a night to remember.

 

[bigmrg74]

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While I generally detest Nick Saban as a rule, he is right about the agents. I would happily support a suspension of 2-3 years for an agent whose actions lead to a player losing his eligibility in instances such as what we're seeing this summer.

You want to sign a kid after he declares for the NFL Draft? Great. Go for it. Best of luck to both of you. I hope it works out for the best. You want to front a kid $10K in the summer of his sophomore year and help cost the kid his eligibility? Let's shut your water off for a few years so that you can't represent anyone for a while. Let me know how that tastes.

Look, I realize that some of these kids aren't naive angels, and that some of them know good and well what they're doing along with the resulting consequences, but these agents can be responsible for their own actions. They're grown men, too.

Exactly Hammer. You go after the Agents, and the shenanigans will stop.

 

[J.D.]

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So I heard Jim Tressel gives out a "Jack Tatum Hit of the Week" award. If that doesn't epitomize tOSU, I don't know what does.

 

[Kepler]

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So I heard Jim Tressel gives out a "Jack Tatum Hit of the Week" award. If that doesn't epitomize tOSU, I don't know what does.

Previous winners.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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So I heard Jim Tressel gives out a "Jack Tatum Hit of the Week" award. If that doesn't epitomize tOSU, I don't know what does.

He also gave away a Maurice Clarett award by giving the star player a car.

What?

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Pac 10 changing name to Pac 12

 

[bigmrg74]

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Pac 10 changing name to Pac 12

Think thats bit of a jab towards 2 other conferences who can't count?

 

[unofan]

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Think thats bit of a jab towards 2 other conferences who can't count?

No, just history repeating itself. It used to be the Pac 8, prior to UA and ASU joining. Also, the BIG XII can still count - and it remains to be seen whether it will keep its name or not (assuming it survives long enough to become an issue, which is a fairly sizable assumption at this point).

 

[Kepler]

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No, just history repeating itself. It used to be the Pac 8, prior to UA and ASU joining. Also, the BIG XII can still count - and it remains to be seen whether it will keep its name or not (assuming it survives long enough to become an issue, which is a fairly sizable assumption at this point).

In the 70's the joke was Pac 4, since at any given time the rest were on probation.

Of course, compared to the SEC those days look like sainthood.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Yah, it's got a long history of using Pac in various names and relating the number of schools. I remember the old Six-Pac for baseball that included just the California and Arizona schools for baseball. Then the Pacific Northwest teams decided they wanted in, and it went to ten teams.

 

[Slap Shot]

Clearly Texas is afraid of Minnesota.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Interesting discussion on how the Pac 12 might split into two divisions. I hadn't heard of the zipper option before, where all six of the state pairings would be split into separate divisions. I have to say, it'd feel strange for ASU to not be in the same division of U of A. But it sounds like having regular access for all teams to the LA recruiting area is a major driver.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/07/28/pac-10-expansion-the-latest-on-the-division-split/

 

[bigmrg74]

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Interesting discussion on how the Pac 12 might split into two divisions. I hadn't heard of the zipper option before, where all six of the state pairings would be split into separate divisions. I have to say, it'd feel strange for ASU to not be in the same division of U of A. But it sounds like having regular access for all teams to the LA recruiting area is a major driver.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/07/28/pac-10-expansion-the-latest-on-the-division-split/

That would make a lot of sense right there. You can zip the natural rivals up in separate divisions, and then just make the rivalry game be a set cross-division game. Then, that way everybody is guaranteed to be in LA at least once every 2 years.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Clearly Texas is afraid of Minnesota.

Indubitably.

 

[Bob Gray]

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That would make a lot of sense right there. You can zip the natural rivals up in separate divisions, and then just make the rivalry game be a set cross-division game. Then, that way everybody is guaranteed to be in LA at least once every 2 years.

One drawback, other than looking odd, would be that apparently the rivalry games would get moved to the middle of the schedule, instead of being the last, or nearly last game of the season. That would be disappointing.

 

[blockski]

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One drawback, other than looking odd, would be that apparently the rivalry games would get moved to the middle of the schedule, instead of being the last, or nearly last game of the season. That would be disappointing.

I haven't had a chance to look at the proposals at all in depth, but would that need to be the case? Especially if they keep the 9 game schedule?

Games 1-5 within your division
Games 6-8 outside of your division
Game 9, last week of the regular season, against your designated, out of division rival.

I have no idea if the math works on that or not, but that would seem to be the obvious solution. You end up playing every school but 2 each year.

I think the Big Ten is considering this - not the zipper alignment, but there was talk of 9 conference games and a protected rival outside of your division...

 

[Bob Gray]

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I haven't had a chance to look at the proposals at all in depth, but would that need to be the case? Especially if they keep the 9 game schedule?

Games 1-5 within your division
Games 6-8 outside of your division
Game 9, last week of the regular season, against your designated, out of division rival.

I have no idea if the math works on that or not, but that would seem to be the obvious solution. You end up playing every school but 2 each year.

I think the Big Ten is considering this - not the zipper alignment, but there was talk of 9 conference games and a protected rival outside of your division...

The problem is, you don't want to take the chance of playing your rival in the final week of the regular season, and then possibly face them again in the title game. So they'd move the rivalry games to the middle of the season to avoid that possibility. At least that's the rationale I read somewhere.

 

[blockski]

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The problem is, you don't want to take the chance of playing your rival in the final week of the regular season, and then possibly face them again in the title game. So they'd move the rivalry games to the middle of the season to avoid that possibility. At least that's the rationale I read somewhere.

Ah, I hadn't considered that.

I guess that all depends on how they determine conference championship participants - Best conference record in the division? Best division record within the division? Best overall record within the division?

I suppose you could also make the rivalry games quasi-divisional games, too - have them count in the standings. Therefore, if you lose, you're out of the championship game, period. That would up the stakes a little...