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Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.

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SJHovey said:
Letting the Republicans do your dirty work for you has paid off handsomely for you Democrats.
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That is a way of looking at it that I had not considered before. Given my functionalist understanding of political parties, I'm going to say you could be on to something. :-)

Frank Zappa fervently believed the two parties were merely sock puppets manipulated by the same guy under the table. The illusion of choice diverts energy from real change and allows for superficial self-corrections that mask the continuity of a status quo that exists simply to protect the power elite. There are different ways of stating this that range from Flag-level conspiracy down to impersonal economic forces.

My strategy is to vote the Dems in by such margins that they can no longer blame the thwarting of a leftist agenda on the GOP. I take the 30s and FDR as the evidence that it can be done: the plutocratic monster can, at least for a time, be pushed back. I am certainly all ears if you have a better way. :-)
 
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SJHovey said:
No doubt the article mirrors much of what you've posted. But here is where the author's Democrat-tinted glasses cause him to miss the point.

The rich do like being rich. But that's not a partisan belief. Believe me, rich Democrats like to keep their money just as much as rich Republicans.

So what is worse, rich Republicans who acknowledge they are rich, tell you they want to cut their taxes and do cut their own taxes? Or, the rich Democrats who tell those they are pandering to that they'll look out for them, but once elected act no differently than their Republican counterparts, serving at a minimum as facilitators for the Republican actions they publicly decry but privately enjoy? Letting the Republicans do your dirty work for you has paid off handsomely for you Democrats.

It's not the Republican party waving the magic wand as they lift your wallet. The Republicans campaign that they're going to cut taxes for the rich. The Democrats pat you on the back and tell you they're your friend, as they are filling their back pockets with public largesse.
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Wrong.

Data released by the I.R.S. on Wednesday shows that tax rates on the income of America’s 400 wealthiest taxpayers rose sharply to 22.9 percent in 2013, erasing a majority of the last two decades’ decline in their effective tax rate.

As described in an article in The New York Times on Wednesday, tax rates on America’s 400 wealthiest taxpayers fell sharply from the late 1990s through 2012, when their average effective income tax rate fell to 16.7 percent from 26.4 percent.

The reason behind the reversal is instructive. Broadly, if tax shelters are a problem, there are two ways to fix it. One is to outlaw them. The other way is to change the tax rate rules, so money inside the shelter is not treated so differently from money outside the shelter.

The spike in the wealthiest people’s tax rates was mostly achieved the second way, and mostly through initiatives of President Obama. Two laws that he championed became effective in 2013, raising tax rates on high earners and limiting the value of tax deductions they are entitled to take.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/u...ners-tax-rates-rose-sharply-in-2013.html?_r=0
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.

Kepler said:
That is a way of looking at it that I had not considered before. Given my functionalist understanding of political parties, I'm going to say you could be on to something. :-)

Frank Zappa fervently believed the two parties were merely sock puppets manipulated by the same guy under the table. The illusion of choice diverts energy from real change and allows for superficial self-corrections that mask the continuity of a status quo that exists simply to protect the power elite. There are different ways of stating this that range from Flag-level conspiracy down to impersonal economic forces.

My strategy is to vote the Dems in by such margins that they can no longer blame the thwarting of a leftist agenda on the GOP. I take the 30s and FDR as the evidence that it can be done: the plutocratic monster can, at least for a time, be pushed back. I am certainly all ears if you have a better way. :-)
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Beyond my skill set, or pay grade. Hard to picture that we are in any sort of Age of Enlightenment, though, so I fear I'll go to my grave with the country in an "as is" condition.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.

ScoobyDoo said:
Wrong.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/u...ners-tax-rates-rose-sharply-in-2013.html?_r=0
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I just love the buy in Democratic voters give to the platitudes thrown out by their leaders, and lapped up by places like Gawker and DailyKos. "Our hearts are in the right place. We eventually do right. We just keep getting thwarted by those Republicans and the southern neanderthals who keep putting them in office." :rolleyes:

Do you guys really believe that? Anyone remember the Clinton Kickstarter campaign to make sure that poor ol' Bill and Hill wouldn't have to sleep in a broken down VW bus when they left the White House because of those nasty Republicans? They're shoveling their money around with front end loaders now, and coming back for more. When the rest of us dodge financial disaster we say a silent prayer and run as far in the other direction as possible.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.

SJHovey said:
I just love the buy in Democratic voters give to the platitudes thrown out by their leaders, and lapped up by places like Gawker and DailyKos. "Our hearts are in the right place. We eventually do right. We just keep getting thwarted by those Republicans and the southern neanderthals who keep putting them in office." :rolleyes:

Do you guys really believe that? Anyone remember the Clinton Kickstarter campaign to make sure that poor ol' Bill and Hill wouldn't have to sleep in a broken down VW bus when they left the White House because of those nasty Republicans? They're shoveling their money around with front end loaders now, and coming back for more. When the rest of us dodge financial disaster we say a silent prayer and run as far in the other direction as possible.
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It's not buy in. It's a number line with one party way the hell out on one end of it and one party around the middle. The question isn't do I get screwed. The question is do I get screwed from behind with the sapling or the mature oak?
 
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So wait "rich Democrats in Congress" aren't trying to increase taxation on the 1%? Because if they are how is that not acting differently from the right? Also hasn't Hillary said?:

1) No increases for those making < $250,000 and
2) Cut taxes for the middle class
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.

Handyman said:
Rats Fleeing a Sinking Ship

In other news, Scooby now has Ben Carson a virtual lock to win the nomination and take Minnesota in the next election :D
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Nope. Never was on the Ben bandwagon. I had legit reasons for the Walker pick. Appears based on recent findings the GOP is looking for someone like Ben Carson more then they are Governor experience. So, I read that completely wrong.

At this point I'd say it's Trump to lose. And if he wins it it's a coin flip from there.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
At this point I'd say it's Trump to lose. And if he wins it it's a coin flip from there.
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Not a coin flip -- probably more of a 1-outta-3 shot, but those odds are still way too scary.
 
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Kepler said:
Not a coin flip -- probably more of a 1-outta-3 shot, but those odds are still way too scary.
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and now that he brilliantly defused hilly's "he picks on women" defense she has little to fall back with.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.

burd said:
True enough, but the more relevant question: If you did not commit a scandalous act but everyone hears that you did, does it matter whether you did or not?
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I see what you did there...
 
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