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Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

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Jimjamesak said:
That's why I quoted that Newsroom speech, "liberals lose because liberals are losers." Liberals didn't want to fight for the ideals they believe and conservatives did.

That's the postmortem lesson here for the Democrats: This is a war and you have to be willing to fight.
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How do we win after this? It appears we've reached peak voting with Obama. Hillary was liked much more in liberal areas than Bernie. Bernie may have gotten some of Trump's coalition but still would have lacked in urban areas. Biden may have done better but who knows. I just don't know where we can go from here, especially when the opposition threw out a candidate that shouldn't have needed inspiration from the left because he threw out enough inspiration to vote against him on his own.
 
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Hamilton Nolan sums up the future for the left.

Everyone and everything threatened by Trumpism must be a part of this movement. We need a drawing-together of the many constituencies who are, today, wondering whether this country is a place for them. Fortunately, there are certain areas in which movements are already strong and cohesive: Against racism, we have Black Lives Matter and an entire superstructure of organizations built up over the decades of the civil rights movement that work to try to extend those gains bit by bit; against climate change, we have a fairly coherent global movement, though it is dependent on cooperation from governments. Many other groups that awoke to an existential threat today will have to gird themselves for the sort of fight that they may have hoped had receded into the past. The women’s movement, which faces the structural challenge that accompanies trying to organize a group encompassing half the country’s population, will need to get on war footing fast; those of us who value the First Amendment—writers, artists, journalists, entertainers, academics, activists—will need to prepare for challenges that would have seemed unthinkable one year ago; immigrant and Muslim groups must be embraced and strengthened enough to make them formidable political powers; organized labor must find a way to make itself a force to be reckoned with once again.
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Almington said:
Not when the county that Flint was in had almost 30,000 fewer votes for Clinton than Obama in 2012.

If you don't care enough about your problem to vote (or if you think that Trump and the GOP who caused this issue in the first place is the solution), I don't see why I should spend my time worrying more about your problems then you do.
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What was the final margin. It had to be close to that number...
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Hillary and her vaunted "ground game" did a horrible job with the black vote in Genesee, then.
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7 million fewer Dems voted compared to 2012. I don't think anyone really recognized how significant the enthusiasm gap was. It wasn't accounted for in any of the polls. Its clear that ground game wasn't the deciding factor. We had a midterm electorate in a presidential election.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Honestly there's a ton of posts and I probably missed it, any idea what page it's on or could someone quote it again?
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DX said:
A drop of 28,000 for the Dems and an increase of 10,000 for the GOP in that county. Even after a Republican actually poisoned them.
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They didnt come out and vote for their own flipping cause.
 
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Kepler said:
It aint the Jews, it's the concentration of political power that inevitably follows concentration of economic power.

We must disarm the elites before we can beat them. To do that, we must repeal the monetary and fiscal policies that enrich them and impoverish everyone else.
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Good luck with that with Silver Spoons in the WH.
 
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St. Clown said:
Is this the left's version of "day're comin' to take our guns!"?
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Pretty much, except contraceptives aren't in the Constitution. Unless the neo-cons try to hi-jack the mandate again like they did with the T.E.A. Party in 2010, I don't see it happening.
 
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Handyman said:
You know who is happiest Putin. The only thing that will keep Russia afloat is another Cold War...he just got one.
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I disagree with you about another Cold War*. The thing that makes Putin happy in the pants is that Trump will give him free reign in the Baltics. Trump hasn't shown any inclination to want to challenge Russia.

* In fact, I would put that down as about the lone foreign policy plus from the result.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
How do we win after this? It appears we've reached peak voting with Obama. Hillary was liked much more in liberal areas than Bernie. Bernie may have gotten some of Trump's coalition but still would have lacked in urban areas. Biden may have done better but who knows. I just don't know where we can go from here, especially when the opposition threw out a candidate that shouldn't have needed inspiration from the left because he threw out enough inspiration to vote against him on his own.
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This is war. The Right has been preparing and fighting for years, decades really. For the Left it's time to organize and fight, not sit around b* for four years. It's war, our ideals and way of life are under siege, it's time to band together and fight.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I'm sitting here at work and I'm just numb.
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Same.

Then I overheard a woman in the cafeteria talk about how Trump gave up his billionaire lifestyle to be slandered for over a year but he withstood it and will save the American people, like he's some inspirational figure like Sojourner Truth or Susan B Anthony.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Same.

Then I overheard a woman in the cafeteria talk about how Trump gave up his billionaire lifestyle to be slandered for over a year but he withstood it and will save the American people, like he's some inspirational figure like Sojourner Truth or Susan B Anthony.
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People are mentally ill. My dad has been repeating that mantra for a few years now. FOr the first time, I will have to admit that he's been right all along.
 
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Handyman said:
No she is right...Pence hates birth control and the last time the Right had this power we got "Abstinence Only".
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Pence is also the VP-Elect and not the President-Elect, so he's effectively been neutered. Something tells me that Trump is all in favor of contraception and may have - once or twice - used it during his time on Earth.
 
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Almington said:
My opinion is that Trump is just going to be a speech making figurehead, whereas Pence will actually be working on moving policy forward provided that Trump approves of the overall idea.

Similar to how the Queen and Prime Minister work in the U.K.
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Opinion? It's pretty much a foregone conclusion. Don't you remember when Trump picked Pence, there was a story out that he asked John Kasich first and that one of Trump's sons told him he could be the most powerful vice president ever? And Kasich asked the son "Then what will your father be doing?" and the son replied "Making America great." He's never wanted to do this work. I've been saying it forever, and will continue saying it, he didn't want to BE president. He wanted to win. So now we will have a guy running all domestic and foreign policy who believes gays need conversion therapy, that women who are raped and become pregnant from that rape will be forced to have that child...seriously, I could deal with Trump bumbling his way through a presidency if I didn't have to worry about the person who is a heartbeat away from the job even more.
 
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For the first time in 20, maybe 30, years I am really looking forward to SNL this week. They couldn't really have better material.
 
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Almington said:
My opinion is that Trump is just going to be a speech making figurehead, whereas Pence will actually be working on moving policy forward provided that Trump approves of the overall idea.
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Didn't Trump at one point say that he planned to hand domestic policy off to Pence. And foreign policy.
 
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