FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Perhaps. And maybe Michelle wouldn't even let him.
Perhaps. And maybe Michelle wouldn't even let him.
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Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
If Drumpf wants to be a Republican the first thing he needs to learn is when These People say jump, you say "how high"?
If Drumpf wants to be a Republican the first thing he needs to learn is when These People say jump, you say "how high"?
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Trump is sandbagging. He's now deliberately sabotaging himself, to ensure he doesn't get the nom. I'm officially convinced this was a reality TV gimmick for him all along.
Trump is sandbagging. He's now deliberately sabotaging himself, to ensure he doesn't get the nom. I'm officially convinced this was a reality TV gimmick for him all along.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
While I dont agree...how funny would this be if it was one big trolljob. The GOP would have so much egg on their face it would be hilarious
While I dont agree...how funny would this be if it was one big trolljob. The GOP would have so much egg on their face it would be hilarious
Conservatives are not afraid of change. What we (I?) don't like is rapid change. What we have now is too much, too soon and a significant percentage of the population is unsure if what we're doing is right (ignore the coasts and look in the middle).
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
See I find this point of view fascinating. So much of change is cool and results in better outcomes much of it in products and services (mobile phones, better cars, cheap flights, procedures/drugs that save lives) and social innovations that do likewise. Now I know that many social innovations do not target us and actually may put a slight burden on us both. And sometimes I honestly wonder if conservatives are just thinking that they would rather not have social innovations where others benefit as 'why should others benefit and not me'.
I do know that our state has changed. We have always had things better in MN than the rest of the country. But there were certain cultural traits that were here 30 years ago that are now gone forever. But I see some of that culture passed on to the new twin cities...and in many ways that cultural change was necessary to get us to the next level in terms of development. I guess its kind of a microcosm example of this broader change of which we're talking that's occurring across the board.
See I find this point of view fascinating. So much of change is cool and results in better outcomes much of it in products and services (mobile phones, better cars, cheap flights, procedures/drugs that save lives) and social innovations that do likewise. Now I know that many social innovations do not target us and actually may put a slight burden on us both. And sometimes I honestly wonder if conservatives are just thinking that they would rather not have social innovations where others benefit as 'why should others benefit and not me'.
I do know that our state has changed. We have always had things better in MN than the rest of the country. But there were certain cultural traits that were here 30 years ago that are now gone forever. But I see some of that culture passed on to the new twin cities...and in many ways that cultural change was necessary to get us to the next level in terms of development. I guess its kind of a microcosm example of this broader change of which we're talking that's occurring across the board.
leswp1
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
My internal view of current 'Conservatives' has nothing to do with slow change. I relate the modern 'Conservative' to reactionary, insular, egocentric, hyper-religious, intolerant to other people's life style/belief that everyone should be able to do what they want (schizoid- want control of my bedroom but everyone should be have the personal freedom to pack a gun), inability to compromise and until very recently the party that was able to remain cohesive to achieve perpetuating all of the above. They vehemently abhor compromise, cater to the radical sects within the party, are unable to moderate their stance or respect different points of view.
I probably have a very skewed view of politics when I was younger but my memory is of Conservatives being a much different breed. Not particularly flexible but capable of compromise. They were for the most part capable of expressing the most archaic views more subtley, in the manner of a gentleman (there were no ladies), and able to discuss things without experiencing character assassination from within their own party. I also remember them as the more pragmatic of the politicians while the liberals were pie in the sky. I often wonder what the old breed would say regarding the newer self-styled 'Conservative'
That is a textbook definition of Conservative which I was only exposed to in the last few yrs. I can't say I would ever have guessed it.
My internal view of current 'Conservatives' has nothing to do with slow change. I relate the modern 'Conservative' to reactionary, insular, egocentric, hyper-religious, intolerant to other people's life style/belief that everyone should be able to do what they want (schizoid- want control of my bedroom but everyone should be have the personal freedom to pack a gun), inability to compromise and until very recently the party that was able to remain cohesive to achieve perpetuating all of the above. They vehemently abhor compromise, cater to the radical sects within the party, are unable to moderate their stance or respect different points of view.
I probably have a very skewed view of politics when I was younger but my memory is of Conservatives being a much different breed. Not particularly flexible but capable of compromise. They were for the most part capable of expressing the most archaic views more subtley, in the manner of a gentleman (there were no ladies), and able to discuss things without experiencing character assassination from within their own party. I also remember them as the more pragmatic of the politicians while the liberals were pie in the sky. I often wonder what the old breed would say regarding the newer self-styled 'Conservative'
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
As someone that lives in the middle I will say that while that may have been what Conservatives used to be about, they abandoned that long ago. They are all for rapid change if the change benefits them. For example, they seem to have no problems with sweeping changes to voter registration laws (see: Wisconsin) because it will help them win the next election. (which the nimrod in WI admitted when interviewed) They have no problem with the implementation of laws that benefit their religious or economic belief, and they certainly dont push for them to move along slowly. Unless of course you think all these new Anti-LGBT laws are coming along at a snails pace.
So sorry but here in the middle Conservatives are no more "pure" than anywhere else. They still overspend, they still act rashly on their own behalf and their policies have same effect on the economy. Plenty of examples to choose from to back up my point.
As someone that lives in the middle I will say that while that may have been what Conservatives used to be about, they abandoned that long ago. They are all for rapid change if the change benefits them. For example, they seem to have no problems with sweeping changes to voter registration laws (see: Wisconsin) because it will help them win the next election. (which the nimrod in WI admitted when interviewed) They have no problem with the implementation of laws that benefit their religious or economic belief, and they certainly dont push for them to move along slowly. Unless of course you think all these new Anti-LGBT laws are coming along at a snails pace.
So sorry but here in the middle Conservatives are no more "pure" than anywhere else. They still overspend, they still act rashly on their own behalf and their policies have same effect on the economy. Plenty of examples to choose from to back up my point.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
I've gone GOP in one senate race and otherwise voted Dem in every single vote.
Liberals used to be more respectful than conservatives. Maybe its just the board, but liberals have now eclipsed conservatives in terms of disrespect for others.
I've gone GOP in one senate race and otherwise voted Dem in every single vote.
Liberals used to be more respectful than conservatives. Maybe its just the board, but liberals have now eclipsed conservatives in terms of disrespect for others.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
It's pushback. 40 years of "SOCIALIST!" screaming and ridiculous governing will do that.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
I'm not so sure. I read some of the comments on the local newspaper website. The conservatives are full of hate for anyone to the left of them. Moderates, liberals, they disparage both. And what they say about Obama is unbelievable -- I know people hated Bush, but what liberals say/said about Bush doesn't even come close to the hatred the right has for Obama.
I'm not so sure. I read some of the comments on the local newspaper website. The conservatives are full of hate for anyone to the left of them. Moderates, liberals, they disparage both. And what they say about Obama is unbelievable -- I know people hated Bush, but what liberals say/said about Bush doesn't even come close to the hatred the right has for Obama.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
yeah, I'm not so sure we need to be respectful of the right at this point. The obstructionism, racism, xenophobia, homophobia... they don't deserve our respect.
yeah, I'm not so sure we need to be respectful of the right at this point. The obstructionism, racism, xenophobia, homophobia... they don't deserve our respect.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
They had no problem rushing into a war in Iraq that ended up destabilizing the entire middle east and spawning Isis. Hardly anything conservative about that if you consider your textbook definition of conservatism.
They had no problem rushing into a war in Iraq that ended up destabilizing the entire middle east and spawning Isis. Hardly anything conservative about that if you consider your textbook definition of conservatism.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
No problem rushing in intervening in the medical decisions made by a man and his family either. Yeah, get government out of your life. Bullchit.
No problem rushing in intervening in the medical decisions made by a man and his family either. Yeah, get government out of your life. Bullchit.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Que?
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
To be fair, the Schiavo case all came about because there was a dispute between a man and his in-laws. However, that should've been settled entirely in the court system and never made the national news.
To be fair, the Schiavo case all came about because there was a dispute between a man and his in-laws. However, that should've been settled entirely in the court system and never made the national news.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
This is the famous Buckley definition:
In so far as that used to correspond to some conservatives, it was fine, but since then unfortunately it's been eclipsed by Kirk's apothegm:
This is the famous Buckley definition:
In so far as that used to correspond to some conservatives, it was fine, but since then unfortunately it's been eclipsed by Kirk's apothegm:
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
I disagree with the right's positions and think Obama was a very good president.
But yeah well, I think that's changing. Not the right, but the left. Liberals used to be the adults in the room. Not any more.
Take an example just hours old. On a thread on religion, some liberal posters have used a space that has been historically used by those of faith to discuss theology and various religious points of view, and are now using it to discuss how cathedrals look like naked women. Now faith is a very, very personal issue with most and sex is known to be a very touchy issue with those of most faiths. Now I don't care at all for myself. But on a site where there are so many visitors and those of faith make up somewhere near half, it goes against most religious doctrine to treat others with such intentional disrespect.
I can't imagine a thread on African American heritage having conservatives bring up slavery in such a fashion or some other comparable level of disrespect. As I've noted in the past, the only bigotry left on this site is to be found on the left.
I disagree with the right's positions and think Obama was a very good president.
But yeah well, I think that's changing. Not the right, but the left. Liberals used to be the adults in the room. Not any more.
Take an example just hours old. On a thread on religion, some liberal posters have used a space that has been historically used by those of faith to discuss theology and various religious points of view, and are now using it to discuss how cathedrals look like naked women. Now faith is a very, very personal issue with most and sex is known to be a very touchy issue with those of most faiths. Now I don't care at all for myself. But on a site where there are so many visitors and those of faith make up somewhere near half, it goes against most religious doctrine to treat others with such intentional disrespect.
I can't imagine a thread on African American heritage having conservatives bring up slavery in such a fashion or some other comparable level of disrespect. As I've noted in the past, the only bigotry left on this site is to be found on the left.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Congratulations on making that large leap there Evel Knievel.
A guy says "hey this church kind of looks like a vulva, WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?" and that equals "liberals are bigots now"?
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Seriously?
Seriously?
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