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Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

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LynahFan said:
Yeah, but members of Congress don't get to vote!

Only 3rd worst, all time, according to USSnooze.

Growing up in Tennessee, of course, we had to claim him as one of our own.... The elementary schools in my hometown were named Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Jackson...and Johnson. Which one of these things is not like the others...?
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Notice how almost every single one of those worst presidents had something to do with slavery? Something tells me there's a bit of a hidden agenda in there somewhere, especially considering they had to create a tie for 10th just to appease those that wanted Dubya on the list.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Notice how almost every single one of those worst presidents had something to do with slavery? Something tells me there's a bit of a hidden agenda in there somewhere
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The guys who were in charge of the country as it slid into the Civil War probably deserve some blame. :p

It's notable that many of the worst presidents (not just by that list but many others) were produced by the Second Party System with its runaway patronage and extremely corrupt candidate selection process.
 
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Kepler said:
The guys who were in charge of the country as it slid into the Civil War probably deserve some blame. :p

It's notable that many of the worst presidents (not just by that list but many others) were produced by the Second Party System with its runaway patronage and extremely corrupt candidate selection process.
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It's also notable that you cut off my quotes to where the context is gone and fits your agenda. You are officially a troll.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
It's also notable that you cut off my quotes to where the context is gone and fits your agenda. You are officially a troll.
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Well, you can't say I didn't give you a chance. Bye now.
 
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Rover said:
What is up with all the ConservaPerv's running around lately?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczy...f-child-molest?utm_term=.vaxoDAV2N#.yv5DyKmVZ

:eek:
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People who subscribe to an iron age philosophy of male dominion and innate female sinfulness and inferiority, and who fear and suppress sexuality, and who deliberately insulate themselves from more modern and tolerant views of -- well, everything, but primarily sex, gender, personal dignity and equality -- then they're going to not only attract sickos but even create them out of otherwise balanced people.

Fundamentalism is a nasty business all around. If it's not violent, it's perverse.
 
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Kepler said:
People who subscribe to an iron age philosophy of male dominion and innate female sinfulness and inferiority, and who fear and suppress sexuality, and who deliberately insulate themselves from more modern and tolerant views of -- well, everything, but primarily sex, gender, personal dignity and equality -- then they're going to not only attract sickos but even create them out of otherwise balanced people.

Fundamentalism is a nasty business all around. If it's not violent, it's perverse.
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Now that's a classic Kepler rant!

You're like a modern day Don Quixote! Always another fundamentalist Christian windmill around the next corner.
 
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Answered all

Rubio 90
Santorum 83
Paul 82
Cruz 82
Walker 77
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Former FLOTUS 28
Sanders 18
 
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Bob Gray said:
An interesting test to see how you match up on issues with the Presidential candidates. Who knew that I'd be closer to Bernie Sanders than Carly Fiorina?

http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz
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61% Shrill
57% Rand
57% Bernie
57% Santorum (Yeah, @#%* that)
52% Rubio
41% Jebbers
34% Cruz
25% Huckster
23% Walker
23% Christie
17% Carson
8% Fiorina
 
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She has about as much chance of winning the GOP nomination as Al Sharpton has of winning the Democratic, but this is a pretty good ad (Rover, you may want to cover your eyes and ears).

https://youtu.be/lc3qtfUkOKs
 
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joecct said:
Kep & Rover

You will laugh - I am crying. How can they be so stupid?

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/wa...s-vegas-nevada-could-destroy-the-gop-n2010734
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Here's the funniest part of that jeremiad:

Worse, have you read about the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) mystery? Republicans are helping Obama pass major legislation that could kill millions of American jobs, yet they admit they've never read it. No one on Capital Hill has any idea what's in it. The full details of TPP are kept in a special guarded room. Why? Something buried deep in the details must be very, very, very bad. If Obama supports it, it can't promote free trade. It must support socialism, economy-killing climate change regulations and open borders. Yet the GOP is blindly helping Obama pass it. Great job boys!
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The thing is, we on the real left are just as opposed to the TPP since, from what we know of it, it's a giveaway to the international 1% that makes NAFTA look smart. Wouldn't it be funny if the far right and far left were able to hold our noses, join hands just once, and beat this monster back?
 
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Hill 82% (good, glad I haven't been carrying all this water for her for nothing.) ;)
Bernie 78% (as I say, not much difference between the two)
Jebbers 55% :eek: (I think I need to take a long shower)
Santorum 37%
Cruz 20% (Gotta be my support for fracking in sh !tty parts of the country)
Walker 17%
Carson 9%
Fiorina 7%
Paul 6% (don't have a lot in common with loonitarians)

Regarding TPP, I'm not against free trade agreements necessarily, but show me where American, not Chinese or South American, jobs are going to result from any deal. I am not in favor of any agreement that costs jobs but lowers the cost of imports. Cheap Chinese sh !t sold at Mao-Mart is inexpensive enough. Finding even more exploited slave laborers to move production to doesn't do it for me. :mad:
 
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Rover said:
I am not in favor of any agreement that costs jobs but lowers the cost of imports.
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As Henry Hazlitt pointed out 65 years ago, low cost imports give those countries US dollars that they then have to spend on US goods. The trick is to make stuff the Chinese want.

Free trade is going to produce winners and losers among producers -- that in itself is actually a good thing because it's the (rather severe) way the market teaches countries what their natural advantages and disadvantages are. An advanced economy that treats its workers and the environment with respect is not going to be able to compete in manufacturing with a feudal economy that treats its workers like slaves and the environment as a toilet. The problem with deals like this is the erection of transnational institutions that have the power to strike down labor and environmental laws to the lowest common denominator in the name of "fair competition." Since multinational corporations want those type of institutions and they have tons of money to bribe politicians, we always have to be watchful that agreements don't include them. In the case of TPP, we don't know what the terms are because they're secret. Absent that knowledge, the best policy is to kill the deal and demand transparency in the future.
 
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Kepler said:
As Henry Hazlitt pointed out 65 years ago, low cost imports give those countries US dollars that they then have to spend on US goods. The trick is to make stuff the Chinese want.

Free trade is going to produce winners and losers among producers -- that in itself is actually a good thing because it's the (rather severe) way the market teaches countries what their natural advantages and disadvantages are. An advanced economy that treats its workers and the environment with respect is not going to be able to compete in manufacturing with a feudal economy that treats its workers like slaves and the environment as a toilet. The problem with deals like this is the erection of transnational institutions that have the power to strike down labor and environmental laws to the lowest common denominator in the name of "fair competition." Since multinational corporations want those type of institutions and they have tons of money to bribe politicians, we always have to be watchful that agreements don't include them. In the case of TPP, we don't know what the terms are because they're secret. Absent that knowledge, the best policy is to kill the deal and demand transparency in the future.
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Henry Hazlitt lived in a different world. Free trade agreements are fine if you have similar labor standards (not the same thing as cost of labor). If you don't, and have no mechanism to enforce them, you get your clock cleaned. I'm curious if he was thinking more along the lines of trading with Europe back then as China was a backwater economy and Japan was a pile of rubble 65 years ago. Regardless, what can we manufacture that China can't make cheaper themselves? Really just raw materials which aren't something you manufacture and you either have in your country or you don't. Australia is a big beneficiary of Chinese trade for that reason.
 
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