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Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

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Bernie 96%
Hilary 81
Christie! 51
Jeb 39
Rand 27
Carson 11
Fiorina 6
Walker 5
Cruz 3%


Nailed it.


back to lurking...
 
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Clinton 71
Sanders 69
Bush 55
O'Malley 52
Walker 52
Paul 51
Huckabee 41
Cruz 34
Christie 31
Carson 31
Rubio 30
Santorum 28
Perry 21
Fiorina 11
 
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Sanders released this letter to his supporters today:

One of the biggest mistakes President Obama made once he was in office was, after mobilizing millions of Americans during his brilliant 2008 campaign, to basically tell those supporters, 'Thank you, I’m going to sit down with John Boehner and Mitch McConnell and take it from here.’

I will not make that mistake.

What we’re building together as part of this campaign is not just about electing a president. No one person, not me or the best president you could imagine, can make the changes we need by him or herself.

What's necessary to make change happen is a mobilized grassroots movement. That’s especially true when a few wealthy billionaires and corporations have their sights set on buying our elections.

If we’re going to accomplish what we want for this country, it won’t happen by negotiating with Mitch McConnell — it will only happen when millions of Americans get out and make their voices heard.

We have a chance to do that today.

Last week, the House of Representatives stopped a bad trade deal that would have continued the approach that forces American workers to compete against workers in nations that have near non-existent minimum wages, where independent labor unions are banned, and where people are thrown in jail for expressing their political beliefs.

But make no mistake, Wall Street, corporate America and their representatives in Congress will try again to pass this bad trade deal … as soon as tomorrow.

This is our chance to make our voices heard. Click here to enter your information and be automatically connected to your member of Congress. Urge your member of Congress to hold fast and vote against any legislation that would allow the president to “fast track” the disastrous Trans-Pacific Partnership.

The TPP follows in the footsteps of other unfettered free trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA that have been supported by corporate America and that cost America millions of decent-paying jobs.

Since 2001, nearly 60,000 manufacturing plants in this country have been shut down, and we have lost almost 5 million decent-paid manufacturing jobs. NAFTA alone led to the loss of almost three-quarters of a million jobs — the Permanent Normalized Trade Agreement with China cost America four times that number: almost 3 million jobs. These agreements are not the only reason why manufacturing in the United States has declined, but they are important factors.

The TPP would also give multinational corporations the ability to challenge laws passed in the United States that could negatively impact their “expected future profits.” Take, for example, Phillip Morris, a company using this process to sue Australia and Uruguay for passing legislation designed to prevent children in those countries from smoking. Or a French waste management firm suing Egypt for over $100 million for increasing the minimum wage and improving labor laws.

Virtually every major union and environmental organization in the United States is against the deal that Congress could vote on again tomorrow. Major religious groups are as well because they know what it could mean for some of the poorest people on the planet.

Click here to be automatically connected to your member of Congress and urge her or him to vote against legislation that would enable the implementation of the TPP.

Not a lot of presidential candidates would use their campaigns to influence legislation being considered in Congress. Some candidates haven’t even expressed an opinion on this critical issue, which, frankly, I don’t really understand.

But as I’ve said before, this campaign is not about Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, or Jeb Bush -- it’s about the needs of the American people.

And we need a new approach to trade in this country — one that benefits working families and not just the CEOs of multinational corporations.

Make your voice heard,
Bernie Sanders
 
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When the President took office in 2009, weren't Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi running the Congre$$ - with bullet proof majorities?

Yeah, that makes his comments pretty idiotic.
 
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When the President took office in 2009, weren't Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi running the Congre$$ - with bullet proof majorities?

No.

Obama did mistake the GOP for a sane political party interested in helping govern. The real question is should he have known better based on the witch-hunt of Clinton (spoiler: yes). The GOP since 1994 is an anomaly in American history: when a member of the opposite party is in the White House their sole goal is to destroy him (or, beginning in 2016, her). We've never had anything like that in a major party before.

Hopefully with a Hillary win and a change of the Senate they'll rethink their philosophy, but I doubt it. When parties get stuck staring at their own navel the only thing that shakes them out of it is electoral Armageddon, and gerrymandering now protects both parties from catastrophic losses in the House. The GOP may gamely hang on playing to a smaller and smaller base who applauds louder and louder well into the 20s.
 
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No.

Obama did mistake the GOP for a sane political party interested in helping govern. The real question is should he have known better based on the witch-hunt of Clinton (spoiler: yes). The GOP since 1994 is an anomaly in American history: when a member of the opposite party is in the White House their sole goal is to destroy him (or, beginning in 2016, her). We've never had anything like that in a major party before.

Hopefully with a Hillary win and a change of the Senate they'll rethink their philosophy, but I doubt it. When parties get stuck staring at their own navel the only thing that shakes them out of it is electoral Armageddon, and gerrymandering now protects both parties from catastrophic losses in the House. The GOP may gamely hang on playing to a smaller and smaller base who applauds louder and louder well into the 20s.

ROFLMAO, are you REALLY trying to tell us that Obama didn't have a majority?! You should be renamed from Kepler to Harold Hill.
 
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When the President took office in 2009, weren't Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi running the Congre$$ - with bullet proof majorities?

And what's to say Bernie Sanders won't just end up doing the same thing? These morons are pandering for votes, but once the hand goes up in front of Roberts, that's when the bait and switch happens.
 
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He'll compete in the Northeast, but he's too (pick up to three) crazy/sane/smart/stupid/educated/elitist for the rest of America to jump on the bandwagon.
 
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He'll compete in the Northeast, but he's too (pick up to three) crazy/sane/smart/stupid/educated/elitist for the rest of America to jump on the bandwagon.

The better he does early the longer he stays in the more he moves Hillary. I love it when a plan comes together.
 
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ROFLMAO, are you REALLY trying to tell us that Obama didn't have a majority?! You should be renamed from Kepler to Harold Hill.


Not trying to speak for Kep, but Obama mishandled the majority, or to put it a better way Harry Reid did. Nancy Pelosi did her job. She passed his agenda which is what she was supposed to do. Obama and Useless Harry Reid spent two years trying to make deals with Republicans who smiled in their face and then went out campaigning on how they were stalling the Dem agenda. I saw two great jokes during that time. One was the Scott Brown victory, where someone wrote GOP Takes Senate 41-59, and a political cartoon with a two deer staring at a car and one telling the other Dude you've got that Democrat in the headlights look on your face. When given an overwhelming majority - govern. If someone throws up brainless filibusters, get rid of the filibuster. Pass legislation through reconciliation if you need to. There are ways around these things instead of sitting around whining until 5 1/2 years into a Presidency when you finally start playing hard ball. For all their whining, I noticed the Senate Republicans haven't restored the filibuster on Presidential nominations yet....

So, people often ask me why I'm pro Hillary vs someone like Sanders. Its because IMHO Hillary gets it. GOP can't handle that Reagan, a guy who was President 30 years ago, isn't still President even though he's been dead for a dozen years, so they will oppose any Dem President. Nobody knows that better than her. Whoever wins the Presidency wins the Senate in 2016. That leaves the House, where of the 30 seat majority the GOP has 26 or so of those people sit in Obama won districts. So, with a big victory combined with someone who sees DC as it is, not as how it should be in fantasyland, I'm hoping for a more practical approach to governing.
 
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Not trying to speak for Kep, but Obama mishandled the majority, or to put it a better way Harry Reid did. Nancy Pelosi did her job. She passed his agenda which is what she was supposed to do. Obama and Useless Harry Reid spent two years trying to make deals with Republicans who smiled in their face and then went out campaigning on how they were stalling the Dem agenda. I saw two great jokes during that time. One was the Scott Brown victory, where someone wrote GOP Takes Senate 41-59, and a political cartoon with a two deer staring at a car and one telling the other Dude you've got that Democrat in the headlights look on your face. When given an overwhelming majority - govern. If someone throws up brainless filibusters, get rid of the filibuster. Pass legislation through reconciliation if you need to. There are ways around these things instead of sitting around whining until 5 1/2 years into a Presidency when you finally start playing hard ball. For all their whining, I noticed the Senate Republicans haven't restored the filibuster on Presidential nominations yet....

So, people often ask me why I'm pro Hillary vs someone like Sanders. Its because IMHO Hillary gets it. GOP can't handle that Reagan, a guy who was President 30 years ago, isn't still President even though he's been dead for a dozen years, so they will oppose any Dem President. Nobody knows that better than her. Whoever wins the Presidency wins the Senate in 2016. That leaves the House, where of the 30 seat majority the GOP has 26 or so of those people sit in Obama won districts. So, with a big victory combined with someone who sees DC as it is, not as how it should be in fantasyland, I'm hoping for a more practical approach to governing.

I agree with most of this, however you seem to imply that Bernie has less understanding of the GOP's fundamental incapacity to compromise than Hillary. This is false. They both get it, though for different reasons. Hillary is a political shark -- she knows from experience that the GOP has no interest in doing anything but try to gain power and that they will stop at nothing, including deliberately harming the country, if they think that helps them. Bernie, OTOH, understands why the GOP is like that -- their constituency are elites with non-ideological, cold, hard cash aims -- lower their taxes, deregulate their businesses, rape the planet and the electorate as long as the money keeps pouring in. Bernie understands that politics is only a means to an end.

Both of them get it. Neither of them would make the mistake that Obama made of believing Republicans would negotiate in good faith. So that in itself is no reason to prefer one over the other.

As to the question of the supermajority, I was rebutting the idea that they had a 2-year span in which they could do anything. This is false -- they had a few months, and even then they were pinned down on the right flank of the party with DINOs like Liebermann.

However, Obama did blow it. One month with a Senate supermajority and the House would have been enough to remake the country for a generation, if Obama had been so inclined. He wasn't -- he was tentative and self-doubting, which are great characteristics for a law professor but sh*tty ones for a president.

Give Reagan or LBJ the political configuration of that period and they would have accomplished ten times what Obama did. Instead, we got Hamlet. And like Hamlet, by the time he finally made up his mind, it was very late in the game.
 
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Both of them get it. Neither of them would make the mistake that Obama made of believing Republicans would negotiate in good faith. So that in itself is no reason to prefer one over the other.

This effectively ruined his Presidency. Along with picking the wrong (Health Care) issue to spend all his political capital on.
 
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Yeah Hillary gets it, but why would I want to elect someone who will sell us all out the second Wall Street tells her to? She isnt beholden to the people, she is beholden to her purse strings and we all know who is in control of those.
 
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