Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Yeah Hillary gets it, but why would I want to elect someone who will sell us all out the second Wall Street tells her to? She isnt beholden to the people, she is beholden to her purse strings and we all know who is in control of those.

And what guarantees can you show that Sanders wouldn't do the exact same thing? How quickly you forget Obummer's campaign promises of 2008, and how quickly some of those flipped.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

This from the guy who votes GOP...dont get all moral on me. Does your car still have your Dubya sticker on it?

I would rather chance it with someone who might not sell us out over the person that is guaranteed to do it. That is why I stay away from the GOP and Hillary.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

This effectively ruined his Presidency. Along with picking the wrong (Health Care) issue to spend all his political capital on.

I think he picked the right issue. Yes, wealth inequality is the foundational issue that all of our problems stem from, but Obama was the wrong guy to address it -- remember, he chose guys like Summers and Geithner. I don't think that was a tactical error, I think it's his strategic plan. He's just wrong on finance.

But he was right on health care and he made a big difference in many people's lives and this country's future. That was an unqualified success.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

This from the guy who votes GOP...dont get all moral on me. Does your car still have your Dubya sticker on it?

I would rather chance it with someone who might not sell us out over the person that is guaranteed to do it. That is why I stay away from the GOP and Hillary.

I hate to break your heart, but I didn't vote for Romney in 2012.

And I'm warning you right now; it's not might, it's will. Learn from the death of Kennedy and Kissinger's attacks upon Nixon. Those two presidents dared challenge the Wall Street status quo. There's a reason Dodd-Frank didn't last long nor do anything nearly as power as Glass-Steagall, and here's a hint: It has nothing to do with elected officials.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

But he was right on health care and he made a big difference in many people's lives and this country's future. That was an unqualified success.

Yeah, doubling premiums, co-pays, and indirectly eliminating independent small practices in favour of large inefficient medical networks. It's definitely a difference, but not a very good one.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Yeah Hillary gets it, but why would I want to elect someone who will sell us all out the second Wall Street tells her to? She isnt beholden to the people, she is beholden to her purse strings and we all know who is in control of those.

Bill?

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

But he was right on health care and he made a big difference in many people's lives and this country's future. That was an unqualified success.

In what way did Obamacare do anyone any good? More people with "health insurance"? The only documented result is that MORE people are going to the ER with their "health insurance" which has been so devalued that they are less able than before to pay any of the resulting bills. The only outcome for our family are that 1) our insurance rates skyrocketed while the coverages were slashed and 2) our former family doctor and chiropractor no longer accept insurance; so don't bother going to a good provider if you don't have the cash in hand. Go to the ER with your Obamacare plan and fight it out with the bureaucrats from there.
Every aspect of Obamacare has been a complete disaster. We'd be far better off with a national single-payer plan for everyone, even coverage across the board with no distinctions between "published rates" to "Medicare rates" and every provider that wants a license can accept it and shut up, or go practice in Canada.

 

[unofan]

In what way did Obamacare do anyone any good? More people with "health insurance"? The only documented result is that MORE people are going to the ER with their "health insurance" which has been so devalued that they are less able than before to pay any of the resulting bills. The only outcome for our family are that 1) our insurance rates skyrocketed while the coverages were slashed and 2) our former family doctor and chiropractor no longer accept insurance; so don't bother going to a good provider if you don't have the cash in hand. Go to the ER with your Obamacare plan and fight it out with the bureaucrats from there.
Every aspect of Obamacare has been a complete disaster. We'd be far better off with a national single-payer plan for everyone, even coverage across the board with no distinctions between "published rates" to "Medicare rates" and every provider that wants a license can accept it and shut up, or go practice in Canada.

My anecdote is the complete opposite of yours and therefore cancels yours out, though I agree single payer is the way to go.

And who the Fark goes to the ER instead of urgent care for non-emergencies if they have insurance?

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Yeah, doubling premiums, co-pays, and indirectly eliminating independent small practices in favour of large inefficient medical networks. It's definitely a difference, but not a very good one.

I'm willing to bet it's part of the long play by the Dems to create a groundswell of bad sentiment towards private health insurers in order to move towards a single-payer system. Although, because of the path chosen to get to that point, the gov't will be the single contractor to the various private insurers. It'll be a jacked up design, though it'll be the politically expedient option. It will, however, make it easier for those who choose to do so, to purchase "premium services" from those same companies, which will justify their continued existance.

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

My anecdote is the complete opposite of yours and therefore cancels yours out, though I agree single payer is the way to go.

And who the Fark goes to the ER instead of urgent care for non-emergencies if they have insurance?

Apparently more people than ever. It has a lot to do with doctors turning away the crappy insurance we've been left with, people don't have any choices left but the ER, thanks to Obamacare.
""It goes to the false promise of the ACA," Roy says, that Medicaid recipients are "given a card that says they have health insurance, but they can't have access to physicians.""
As to the distinction between Emergency Room and Urgent Care (assuming it's relevant in terms of costs and quality) I'm sure it has a lot to do with where you live. Many people live in rural areas with a limited number of facilities and might not be able to travel far, especially when they're sick. You might have a doctor's office or two, and a hospital so if the doctors are turning away Medicaid you're left with the ER.

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

I'm willing to bet it's part of the long play by the Dems to create a groundswell of bad sentiment towards private health insurers in order to move towards a single-payer system.

And if true, we'll all be better off for it.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

My anecdote is the complete opposite of yours and therefore cancels yours out, though I agree single payer is the way to go.

And who the Fark goes to the ER instead of urgent care for non-emergencies if they have insurance?

Urgent care facilities are a relatively new thing, catching on in the last 10-12 years, I think, and may not be well established in all parts of the country.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Urgent care facilities are a relatively new thing, catching on in the last 10-12 years, I think, and may not be well established in all parts of the country.

And they're awesome.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

In what way did Obamacare do anyone any good? More people with "health insurance"? The only documented result is that MORE people are going to the ER with their "health insurance" which has been so devalued that they are less able than before to pay any of the resulting bills. The only outcome for our family are that 1) our insurance rates skyrocketed while the coverages were slashed and 2) our former family doctor and chiropractor no longer accept insurance; so don't bother going to a good provider if you don't have the cash in hand. Go to the ER with your Obamacare plan and fight it out with the bureaucrats from there.
Every aspect of Obamacare has been a complete disaster. We'd be far better off with a national single-payer plan for everyone, even coverage across the board with no distinctions between "published rates" to "Medicare rates" and every provider that wants a license can accept it and shut up, or go practice in Canada.

If only someone had done a study instead of relying on knuckledragger anecdotes...

http://wonkwire.com/2015/06/16/more-than-80-of-enrollees-are-satisfied-with-obamacare-plans/

81% satified with their plans!

Have the Death Panels come for you yet?

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

And they're awesome.

I'm kind of curious about this terminology now. Are "urgent care facilities" the things they have in Target stores between the bubble gum vending machines and the rest rooms? Do they have actual doctors in them?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

I'm kind of curious about this terminology now. Are "urgent care facilities" the things they have in Target stores between the bubble gum vending machines and the rest rooms? Do they have actual doctors in them?

No Urgent Care is an alternative that Clinics are offering to Emergency Rooms. Which cuts the cost way way way down. Target Stores and Walgreen's is another great idea for a level of care that is needed but not at the level of Urgent Care. Urgent Care every time I've used it I've seen a doctor. I'm not sure what level you need to be to work at Target.

 

[unofan]

I'm kind of curious about this terminology now. Are "urgent care facilities" the things they have in Target stores between the bubble gum vending machines and the rest rooms? Do they have actual doctors in them?

Urgent care is a step up from primary care but is not a full fledged e.r.

You don't need appointments, so they're great for things that aren't chronic but don't require an er visit. When I sliced my finger with some garden shears last year, I went to urgent care for the stitches. Same co-pay as a normal office visit, which is way cheaper than an ER visit.

My suburb of 50k people has 3-4 urgent care clinics in it.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

I'm kind of curious about this terminology now. Are "urgent care facilities" the things they have in Target stores between the bubble gum vending machines and the rest rooms? Do they have actual doctors in them?

Urgent care facilities are similar to ERs, except that they're intended for non-life threatening conditions. You break an ankle, go to urgent care and get it reset and cast for fraction of the price of an ER. Same thing with a bad case of strep throat at an off hour and the like. Yes, there are real doctors at these facilities, but you will find a number of PAs doing the work, too, because you're not supposed to be there for life threatening illnesses or traumas.

The Target/Minute Clinic issues are for mundane issues that require medical attention. Again, for a fraction of the cost of a standard doctor's visit. Prior to Obamacare, my insurance would cover 100% of the cost of these visits with a reduced copay over a doctor's visit - even my PCP, because they are so much cheaper.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Health Care was the right thing to go after, but he pussied out and what we got was crap. Obama Care was not what we were promised or the right decision...

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

TRUMP IS IN!!! The clown car is nearly complete.