Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

"The Cradle of Liberty"

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

"The Cradle of Liberty"

Good God. He's a complete idiot. What a mistake thinking he got elected three times with some street smarts.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) learned that the hard way on Tuesday while visiting two of the city's popular cheesesteak spots, where he cut in line, left behind his trash, and ordered the famous Philly sandwich — with American cheese and without onions.

American Cheese and no onions? Moron. Stewart will have field day with him tonight. Going to be epic.

 

[5mn_Major]

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In the end, electability holds. Sanders, Walker, Trump and the rest of the GOP herd are just not electable...they will not be nominees. Clinton/Bush.

 

[Handyman]

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Aaaah, so it's like a puppet show. GOP is one puppet, and Democrats are the other puppet. The puppet master is Old Money who doesn't have to care who wins because they control everything anyway. So, we truly have reached full bore 100% plutocracy status. I suspected, but now I know.

Meanwhile, Trump says if Obama could run for a third term he'd cream him, AND he'd love to Palin on his team. Is Trump old money or new money? I'm guessing new.

Bingo...old money wins no matter what. These people are like Goldman Sachs...it doesnt matter what party wins they still get more money and power. They just love watching the minions scurry about trying to pretend they have a voice. They laugh at the idea of haves and have nots because even the haves are below them.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Good God. He's a complete idiot. What a mistake thinking he got elected three times with some street smarts.

Remember Scooby, getting a bunch of people in Door Country to vote for you is much easier than getting people with indoor plumbing, cable tv and internet access to vote for you.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Remember Scooby, getting a bunch of people in Door Country to vote for you is much easier than getting people with indoor plumbing, cable tv and internet access to vote for you.

This is people waiting outside in Philly for a Cheesesteak. It doesn't get much more American than that.

 

[Kepler]

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Bingo...old money wins no matter what. These people are like Goldman Sachs...it doesnt matter what party wins they still get more money and power. They just love watching the minions scurry about trying to pretend they have a voice. They laugh at the idea of haves and have nots because even the haves are below them.

My impression of True Old Money is minions do not register on their consciousness at all. They don't take any sadistic joy in watching us trapped in the carrot/stick machine -- they're probably in Gstaad or Corfu but if they're here at all they're at the Met opening or watching Pierpont IV ("J.P.") graduate from Philips Exeter.

They do not think badly of us. They do not think of us at all.

 

[Rover]

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Yeah....I don't know...the problem with Bush is you can get a younger version of him without the general election baggage. That would most likely be Walker, but could be Rubio as well. Regardless his path to victory is the Dole/McCain last man standing after everyone's first choice kills each other one. That doesn't bode well for the general election. Bush can win FL most likely and he still needs to go flip 5 other states to win the election (some combo of OH/VA/CO/NV/VH/etc) while holding NC. I just don't see how he does all that and he will most likely have to put in a big effort to win his home state. VP selections rarely have an impact on the election, and even if he did take say Walker there's no guarantee that wins WI. Kasich could work but again its rare for that to be a difference maker.

Primary wise he needs to win New Hampshire to prove his electability. If he can't do that, and Graham is still in the race when it gets to SC, that SEC primary gets reeaaallly interesting with Cruz, Bush and Rubio battling it out.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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This is people waiting outside in Philly for a Cheesesteak. It doesn't get much more American than that.

Waiting outside the two most overrated cheesesteak shops, for the most overrated sandwich in America? Why yes, I do believe you're correct!

 

[5mn_Major]

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Primary wise he needs to win New Hampshire to prove his electability. If he can't do that, and Graham is still in the race when it gets to SC, that SEC primary gets reeaaallly interesting with Cruz, Bush and Rubio battling it out.

Hmmm...two Hispanics and a Caucasian? I wonder who wins the GOP.

 

[joecct]

Yeah....I don't know...the problem with Bush is you can get a younger version of him without the general election baggage. That would most likely be Walker, but could be Rubio as well. Regardless his path to victory is the Dole/McCain last man standing after everyone's first choice kills each other one. That doesn't bode well for the general election. Bush can win FL most likely and he still needs to go flip 5 other states to win the election (some combo of OH/VA/CO/NV/VH/etc) while holding NC. I just don't see how he does all that and he will most likely have to put in a big effort to win his home state. VP selections rarely have an impact on the election, and even if he did take say Walker there's no guarantee that wins WI. Kasich could work but again its rare for that to be a difference maker.

Primary wise he needs to win New Hampshire to prove his electability. If he can't do that, and Graham is still in the race when it gets to SC, that SEC primary gets reeaaallly interesting with Cruz, Bush and Rubio battling it out.

Can / did you factor in an anti Hillary vote? Or would it be the same #/% anti that BHO faced?

 

[Twitch Boy]

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Waiting outside the two most overrated cheesesteak shops, for the most overrated sandwich in America? Why yes, I do believe you're correct!

You probably put ketchup on your hot dogs.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

You probably put ketchup on your hot dogs.

Wrong! You take that back. Mustard and onions only.

 

[aparch]

You probably put ketchup on your hot dogs.

If there is no Coney sauce for my hot dog, or if it's not Chicago Style, d*mn right ketchup is going on my hot dog.

 

[Rover]

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Can / did you factor in an anti Hillary vote? Or would it be the same #/% anti that BHO faced?

Similar in total but from different places. Hillary will outperform Obama in Appalachia and other places where he got like 10% of the white vote. However that's not going to be a factor because even if she doubles those %'s - who cares? She isn't winning those states. However it may make it easier for her to win in places like Pennsylvania or Michigan.

The flip side is there are a lot of older conservatives particular in the chattering class that blame Bill Clinton for prematurely ending the Reagan Era. Those people are going to be apocalyptic at her candidacy. I for one am of the mindset that Obama hatred has little do to with race or percevied religion. Those are just an excuse as he hasn't been treated any worse by the opposition than Bill Clinton was.

 

[Kepler]

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Can / did you factor in an anti Hillary vote? Or would it be the same #/% anti that BHO faced?

I assume the people whose panties were twisted over Obama will seamlessly transition to hating Hillary. Hint: it's the (D) at the end of the name they actually hate.

 

[Kepler]

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Similar in total but from different places. Hillary will outperform Obama in Appalachia and other places where he got like 10% of the white vote. However that's not going to be a factor because even if she doubles those %'s - who cares? She isn't winning those states. However it may make it easier for her to win in places like Pennsylvania or Michigan.

The flip side is there are a lot of older conservatives particular in the chattering class that blame Bill Clinton for prematurely ending the Reagan Era. Those people are going to be apocalyptic at her candidacy. I for one am of the mindset that Obama hatred has little do to with race or percevied religion. Those are just an excuse as he hasn't been treated any worse by the opposition than Bill Clinton was.

Exactly.

I'd worry a little about VA, assuming black turnout was a big effect. NC, for the same reason, is off the table. But generally speaking big black turnout happens in states dominated by old industrial cities (which are going Dem anyway) or in Black Belt southern hell holes (which are going GOP).

As for the rest, it can probably only help to be running someone who will remind older voters of our last inarguably successful presidency, and of course we'll see if women "mind the gap."

 

[Handyman]

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This is people waiting outside in Philly for a Cheesesteak. It doesn't get much more American than that.

That is my point Scooby. Being a slob and ordering the wrong food (and acting like a tool by cutting the line) can be ignored in WI, but in the real world where people use Twitter it gets posted in seconds and his douchiness is out there for the world to see. You cant make people believe you are "one of them" if you are pulling the ole "dont you know who I am" act

He always has been and always will be a fraud.

 

[Rover]

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Exactly.

I'd worry a little about VA, assuming black turnout was a big effect. NC, for the same reason, is off the table. But generally speaking big black turnout happens in states dominated by old industrial cities (which are going Dem anyway) or in Black Belt southern hell holes states (which are going GOP).

As for the rest, it can probably only help to be running someone who will remind older voters of our last inarguably successful presidency, and of course we'll see if women "mind the gap."

I don't worry about this as much, because there are relatively large cushions to play with here IF the Dem base turns out. A lot of people view every election within the prism of 2000. In fact that was the only razor thin election from 1968 to 2012.

So, will minority voting, particularly blacks, tail off? Sure. Will women, particularly older women, be more included to vote for a female candidate of their generation? Most likely. I don't know the net effect of all that, but its somewhat irrelevant. Hillary does not need to recreate Obama's 2008 election. She needs to recreate 2012. Jebbers!/etc need to recreate 2004, not shoot for 1984. The difference is Obama won 2012 by about 70 electoral votes, while Bush II won 2004 by 20or so IIRC.

 

[Kepler]

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I don't worry about this as much, because there are relatively large cushions to play with here IF the Dem base turns out. A lot of people view every election within the prism of 2000. In fact that was the only razor thin election from 1968 to 2012.

So, will minority voting, particularly blacks, tail off? Sure. Will women, particularly older women, be more included to vote for a female candidate of their generation? Most likely. I don't know the net effect of all that, but its somewhat irrelevant. Hillary does not need to recreate Obama's 2008 election. She needs to recreate 2012. Jebbers!/etc need to recreate 2004, not shoot for 1984. The difference is Obama won 2012 by about 70 electoral votes, while Bush II won 2004 by 20or so IIRC.

We should not discount charisma. Obama had it, even in 2012. Hillary has all the passionate appeal of a door knob.

The good news is Jeb!, Walker and Rubio are also knobs, door or otherwise.