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Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing

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joecct said:
Depends on the Estate taxes. Texas has none. Not sure about Hell.
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In Hell, you tend to inherit what you have coming to you. Perfect place for the "inherited wealth must be protected at all costs" crowd.

Kepler said:
A new kind of voter suppression to look out for this fall.

Kidding. It's not new.
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It's important to remember that neither side of the spectrum has a monopoly on this kind of crap. For all I hear about "union thugs" trying to intimidate voters to vote for their benefactors, this kind of stuff happens on the regular from the right wing as well. When I was in college, I distinctly remember receiving fraudulent information (supposedly from the College Republicans, although it actually came from a GOP candidate's campaign office) about where students could go to vote. It's been 10 years, so unfortunately the only articles I can find (quickly) online are old archives from the student papers, but believe me it happened. It was almost like the detestable behavior by both parties during the 2000 recounts gave these kinds of people all sorts of inspiration to think of new ways to be *******s during the election.

I suppose you have to give credit where it's due, though, the right wing tends to have the most inventive ways of messing with elections.

http://host.madison.com/daily-cardi...cle_cbb5f996-21c1-5ae9-8e6b-72126cc30edf.html
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I suppose you have to give credit where it's due, though, the right wing tends to have the most inventive ways of messing with elections.
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They need to be. The more people who vote, the less chance they have. I'm amazed they haven't tried to limit voter ID to country club memberships.

It'll get worse before it gets better. These people have no shame.
 
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If anyone is interested, @dick_nixon is holding a press conference over on twitter. The man is astute.
 
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Kepler said:
A new kind of voter suppression to look out for this fall.

Kidding. It's not new.
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You just keep on begging the question about "voter suppression." Significant majorities of all Americans, including the minority ones, support voter ID. This inconvenient fact is to be ignored while the shrieking grows ever louder. And never mind the fact that democracies the world over require voters to identify themselves. Just admit it, why don't you, you'd like the franchise expanded to everyone everywhere, citizen or not, ex con or not, alive or not, and don't bother with the racist requirements to identify yourself and where you reside before you register. We'll just take your word for it. That way, Dan Ackroyd will have lots of company living with him at Wrigley Field.

Never mind the condescending racism inherent in your argument: that the core constituency of the Democrat party is too stupid or lazy or ignorant to trot down to the DMV to get a license or an ID card. Everybody else can do it, but they can't. They don't seem to have any trouble signing up for various government benefits, so why is showing up to get an ID such a burden? Why did we pass Motor Voter?

And if needs be, we can do like Florida Democrats did in 2000, by changing the rules that governed that election so we could count "chads" and divine the intention of voters too stupid to make their preference clear. And while you're at it, do everything you can to disenfranchise active duty military personnel voting absentee from overseas. That was Al Gore's contribution to "count every vote." You guys are shamelessly deceptive and corrupt. Willing to do anything to advance your electoral aims. And justify it with glutinous boiler plate rhetoric.

Like Edward G. Robinson says in Key Largo, "Then, after the election, we count the votes, and if they don't turn out right, we recount them again until they do." Frequently helped by "finding" a sufficient number of mysteriously uncounted ballots to swing the outcome in close races. This is known as the Gregoire/Franken Phenomenon. Elections in Bangladesh have more integrity than the balloting in America's inner cities.

Cry me a river with your bull sh*t whining about "voter suppression."
 
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Yup, this is conservatism for ya. In an attempt to confuse the voting process in North Carolina, Koch bros organization sends out registration mailer to women's dead infant daughter.

http://abc11.com/politics/some-nc-residents-mailed-incorrect-voter-registration-information/325278/

Opie, Fishy, etc - I'm not sure how anybody can live with themselves being a conservative when this is what the ideology has stooped to. :rolleyes:
 
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Rover said:
Yup, this is conservatism for ya. In an attempt to confuse the voting process in North Carolina, Koch bros organization sends out registration mailer to women's dead infant daughter.

http://abc11.com/politics/some-nc-residents-mailed-incorrect-voter-registration-information/325278/

Opie, Fishy, etc - I'm not sure how anybody can live with themselves being a conservative when this is what the ideology has stooped to. :rolleyes:
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Actually, that dead 4 1/2 old is the perfect Democrat inner city voter.
 
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Old Pio said:
Actually, that dead 4 1/2 old is the perfect Democrat inner city voter.
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Her mother looked white as a ghost to me, but don't let that interfere with your Nixonian love of dirty tricks.
 
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Rover said:
don't let that interfere with your Nixonian love of dirty tricks.
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"Washington could not tell a lie; Nixon could not tell the truth; Reagan could not tell the difference."
 
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I think Roberts is fvked out in Kansas:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/kansas-democrats-elections-pat-roberts-111518.html?hp=f2

Don't know too much about his challenger, but the guy's positioned himself perfectly. He's said that 1) he's been a Dem and a Repub and didn't like either one, 2) will not vote for either Reid or McConnell for leader, and 3) will caucus with whoever's in the majority. In one swoop he's insulated himself from partisanship while erasing any national implications that Roberts might try to use against him. Every independent candidate should follow this blueprint.

I'm curious how the GOP handles this. On the one hand, there's the temptation to go uber-negative. On the other hand, if the GOP wins 50 seats to 49 for the Dems and this guy's left as the king maker, its kinda hard to go back to him and say "yeah, sorry about running those ads saying you were trying to lure children into your ginger bread house deep in the woods. We were just kidding about that." Interesting times...
 
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Rover said:
I think Roberts is fvked out in Kansas:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/kansas-democrats-elections-pat-roberts-111518.html?hp=f2

Don't know too much about his challenger, but the guy's positioned himself perfectly. He's said that 1) he's been a Dem and a Repub and didn't like either one, 2) will not vote for either Reid or McConnell for leader, and 3) will caucus with whoever's in the majority. In one swoop he's insulated himself from partisanship while erasing any national implications that Roberts might try to use against him. Every independent candidate should follow this blueprint.

I'm curious how the GOP handles this. On the one hand, there's the temptation to go uber-negative. On the other hand, if the GOP wins 50 seats to 49 for the Dems and this guy's left as the king maker, its kinda hard to go back to him and say "yeah, sorry about running those ads saying you were trying to lure children into your ginger bread house deep in the woods. We were just kidding about that." Interesting times...
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Maybe a trend? Democrats dropping out of races left and right to try to defeat Republicans?

The Republicans obviously want to hang onto the seat, but I don't know that it's a terrible outcome for them either way. If the Republican wins, it helps them towards a majority.

If the Independent wins, then he may caucus with them, or may not, depending upon whether it hits your magic 49/50 breakdown. But if he does caucus with the Dems, how solid is he? Coming from Kansas he seems a likely guy picked off by the Republicans on a lot of issues.
 
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SJHovey said:
Maybe a trend? Democrats dropping out of races left and right to try to defeat Republicans?

The Republicans obviously want to hang onto the seat, but I don't know that it's a terrible outcome for them either way. If the Republican wins, it helps them towards a majority.

If the Independent wins, then he may caucus with them, or may not, depending upon whether it hits your magic 49/50 breakdown. But if he does caucus with the Dems, how solid is he? Coming from Kansas he seems a likely guy picked off by the Republicans on a lot of issues.
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I like it in any state, not just one with a Republican. Take here in Mass. Sen Ed Markey is a left wing dinosaur, a mirror image of the fossilized Roberts. These guys expect their state's partisan lean to save them, but now Roberts has to run on his relevance. Small wonder he's in trouble because of that. An independent with funds may have made that Mass Senate seat (the special election after Kerry became SoS) a lot more competitive especially if the candidate vowed not to support Itch McConnell and said they'd caucus with whoever is in the majority (which makes perfect sense).

Couldn't tell you what's going to happen 6 years hence, but the guy can always switch allegiances if needed at that time.
 
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SJHovey said:
If the Independent wins, then he may caucus with them, or may not, depending upon whether it hits your magic 49/50 breakdown. But if he does caucus with the Dems, how solid is he? Coming from Kansas he seems a likely guy picked off by the Republicans on a lot of issues.
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That's a good point, but a better point if it was for the House and a 2-year window. If he caucuses with the Dems he could be a stealth Republican on a whole array of hot button issues for Kansans, but the current Senate is only really about voting to invoke cloture, and that's so far under the average voter's radar that he would have cover. Plus, he's basically said he's whoring out his allegiance to whoever can give him a chairmanship, which is golden handcuffs since consistently screwing the majority party over will get him ousted from his source of goodies (c.f., Lieberman, J.)
 
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KS lurches towards sanity.

Beating Brownback would not only drive a stake through the last dying mess of the supply side myth, but it would also send packing one of the worst tin badge theocrats gakked up by the Left Behind types.

KS is still a nuthouse at the local level, where school boards overwrite science textbooks with their iron age fantasies and demonize women who step out of line from daddy's and hubby's divine right control of their lady parts. But it's good to see that at the state level the trogs may have finally gone too far.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Yet, not a single Republican here or anywhere else will learn a single thing from Kansas. Not a one.
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To be fair, it's hard to blame them for not backing down when they are about to control both chambers of the US Congress. The Dems had the same problem in the 70s when their continued control of the House masked their huge systemic problems. Epistemic closure and GroupThink make change during fat times unlikely (c.f., Detroit car industry, 1950-80).

Sometimes this happens to an institution -- the tree still stands long after it has completely rotted from the inside. Then one sharp kick and it collapses. With a dying demographic and outright hostility to broaden it, the GOP can still theoretically hang on to their captive districts indefinitely as long as they keep the feedback cycle of voter suppression --> control of state legs --> more barriers to voting. As long as they have critical mass in Congress they can keep playing their long game of sabotaging government --> claiming government doesn't work. The problem in each case is once the feedback loops start going the other way they go into freefall. I guess their plan is just to keep on stealing money right up until the moment of the collapse; then park all of it offshore and flee.
 
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Kepler said:
KS lurches towards sanity.

Beating Brownback would not only drive a stake through the last dying mess of the supply side myth, but it would also send packing one of the worst tin badge theocrats gakked up by the Left Behind types.

KS is still a nuthouse at the local level, where school boards overwrite science textbooks with their iron age fantasies and demonize women who step out of line from daddy's and hubby's divine right control of their lady parts. But it's good to see that at the state level the trogs may have finally gone too far.
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I see you are in fine form today.
 
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Get ready for more of this.

I love how McConnell is countering with Romney. Yeah, that should set aside his image as a tool of the oligarchs. :D
 
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Kepler said:
Get ready for more of this.

I love how McConnell is countering with Romney. Yeah, that should set aside his image as a tool of the oligarchs. :D
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Playing on buyers' remorse??
 
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