Brown - Oops! They did it again.

[hcky85]

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And do not tell anyone who can or can not contribute to to "your" forum.

This to a tailor who I would definitely NOT recommend to anyone.

That’s what you were saying, not me. All I was suggesting was that maybe you should not read this thread if it gets you so hot and bothered.

Although I already gave an explanation as to why anything posted here would most likely not have a negative influence on recruiting efforts in reality, I’ll add on.

Do I think the program needs a coaching change? Anyone who needs an answer to that probably wasn’t looking at Brown in the first place. Despite that, I am in no way indicating that any player should ever give up an opportunity to go to a school as prestigious and flexible as Brown or an opportunity to play d-1 hockey just because of a public distaste for the coaching staff.

Any player that opts to do so is an idiot. Brown as a school is unbelievable and the type of players on that team is anything but less than that as well.

 

[hcky85]

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Truly you have no idea.

There was not QUOTE if you actually read it. I said, "Never coached? And you can "make alterations" (what are you, a tailor?) better than a seasoned set of coaches?"

112 posts (all about Brown) and yet you have no idea.

With that said, again never coached but still could do a better job. That says more about the coaching staff than it does about me.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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It must be convenient to be able to change your moral standing depending on whom it is you’re addressing. My ethics don’t change from person to person… it’s the worst.

You clearly have no understanding of the word ethics, as you fail to recognize that there are times and places for things to be discussed by different people. What is correct for one person to publically in one situation is not the same as for another person to discuss in an entirely different situation.

Your one size fits all "morality" is simplistic and leads to an absolute standard that actually has an entirely different set of faults. It is typical of a young, idealistic, and fuzzy-headed thinker. I hope you aren't a Brown alumna, as this would show the pitfalls of having very few specific graduation requirements, reflecting poorly on the institution.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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Strictly on ice coaching criticism, how many goals does the same player on the opposing team have to score before you make some alteration to your d-zone coverage?

Again, I have never coached. But I’m going to assume it’s safe to say, sometime before that players’ fourth goal Digit should have made sure that someone was shadowing that player at all times.

If she isn’t capable of making that decision on her own then she should make sure the defensive coordinator (Coady) is at the games.

Another coach in the stands. Go have another beer and you'll be Scotty Bowman.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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With that said, again never coached but still could do a better job. That says more about the coaching staff than it does about me.

Make that two beers.

 

[IceIsNice]

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Or, just stay in a Holiday Inn Express!

 

[Pops Ryan]

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If people on this thread really want to make a difference in Brown women's hockey for the future, talk to the AD and the powers that be and suggest concrete steps that will reverse the current situation. Get everyone together including former players and alums with influence (re: donors) who can constructively develop a plan to turn the program around. Otherwise, this looks like a lot of schoolchildren pointing fingers. The maturity level here is really embarrassing. You really think the coaches and administrators will take you seriously? Puhleeze.

Said stratagem would probably work...other than for the fact that the Men's Prgoram and their parents did exactly that, only a year ago. The feelings being expressed on this thread do not look like fingerpointing to me; it looks like a group of parents who believe that:
* the existing staff does not meet their daughters needs
* the head coach, who has publicly applied for other jobs at least twice, has less than 100% committment
* the administration at the school is indifferent
* the team is unsure of how the coaches are going to react to players thoughts, behavior, on-ice decisions, and, as such, are generally supressed
* the locker room is dreary, being on the bench is no picnic either
* no one of immediate consequence cares; so they rant at the heavens
* people won't understand how painful this is, and label the parents as traitors
* this is not what they signed up for, this is not what they paid for
* they are in mortal fear that all this could be repeated next year

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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Said stratagem would probably work...other than for the fact that the Men's Prgoram and their parents did exactly that, only a year ago. The feelings being expressed on this thread do not look like fingerpointing to me; it looks like a group of parents who believe that:
* the existing staff does not meet their daughters needs
* the head coach, who has publicly applied for other jobs at least twice, has less than 100% committment
* the administration at the school is indifferent
* the team is unsure of how the coaches are going to react to players thoughts, behavior, on-ice decisions, and, as such, are generally supressed
* the locker room is dreary, being on the bench is no picnic either
* no one of immediate consequence cares; so they rant at the heavens
* people won't understand how painful this is, and label the parents as traitors
* this is not what they signed up for, this is not what they paid for
* they are in mortal fear that all this could be repeated next year

* the existing staff does not meet their daughters needs
- Players play for the coach. Not the other way around.
* the head coach, who has publicly applied for other jobs at least twice, has less than 100% committment
- Very few coaches are in their "permanent" position and most would leave for a better gig. Fact of life.
* the administration at the school is indifferent
- As evidenced by not letting the whiny parents run the team. Yeah.
* the team is unsure of how the coaches are going to react to players thoughts, behavior, on-ice decisions, and, as such, are generally supressed
- When you toss a few players for "issues", you generally get people's attention.
* the locker room is dreary, being on the bench is no picnic either
- Seen worse. Shouldn't be a surprise for anyone recruited.
* no one of immediate consequence cares; so they rant at the heavens
- I'm darn glad the inmates aren't running the asylum.
* people won't understand how painful this is, and label the parents as traitors
- Most of us have been on losing teams. They can either figure out how to constructively help or move on, but by no means should a parent (or more likely someone masquerading as a parent - cookie?) EVER publically call for the head of a coach publically. This does their DAUGHTER no good.
* this is not what they signed up for, this is not what they paid for
- Winning championships costs a little more and requires more - and not just necessarily money. Something they will learn if the parents will get with the program.
* they are in mortal fear that all this could be repeated next year
- Then they should encouraging all of the players to be working harder in the off-season. That is all they can do about the situation.

Pops, stop buying into the whining. And seriously, if you haven't noticed, I've been publically expressing serious doubt as to whether any of the whiners really are parents (cookie in particular), as the more I look at the posting, the more I think there may be a disgruntled former player or two out there. No rational parent who values their daughter's hockey playing experience would publically call out the coach like this, risking their daughter's reputation on the team. No girl wants to be know as the one with the parent going off half-cocked on a public internet forum, which is exactly what cookie is doing here.

I think you are giving the cookies of the world their soap box by buying into this scam. Cookie wants attention and sympathy (and back on the team or at least revenge) as her stated goal was the reinstatement of the 2 players dismissed from the team. How many parents would risk their own daughter's reputation over 2 players her daughter hadn't even skated with? I'm not buying it and you shouldn't either.

 

[eetzasqueed]

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Can you guys please take Katie King back?

 

[mattj711]

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...How many parents would risk their own daughter's reputation over 2 players her daughter hadn't even skated with? I'm not buying it and you shouldn't either.

In addition, Cookie was calling for Digit's head the summer before her "freshman daughter" even showed up on campus, which makes her whole story even less plausible.

 

[CanHockGuy]

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* the existing staff does not meet their daughters needs
- Players play for the coach. Not the other way around.
* the head coach, who has publicly applied for other jobs at least twice, has less than 100% committment
- Very few coaches are in their "permanent" position and most would leave for a better gig. Fact of life.
* the administration at the school is indifferent
- As evidenced by not letting the whiny parents run the team. Yeah.
* the team is unsure of how the coaches are going to react to players thoughts, behavior, on-ice decisions, and, as such, are generally supressed
- When you toss a few players for "issues", you generally get people's attention.
* the locker room is dreary, being on the bench is no picnic either
- Seen worse. Shouldn't be a surprise for anyone recruited.
* no one of immediate consequence cares; so they rant at the heavens
- I'm darn glad the inmates aren't running the asylum.
* people won't understand how painful this is, and label the parents as traitors
- Most of us have been on losing teams. They can either figure out how to constructively help or move on, but by no means should a parent (or more likely someone masquerading as a parent - cookie?) EVER publically call for the head of a coach publically. This does their DAUGHTER no good.
* this is not what they signed up for, this is not what they paid for
- Winning championships costs a little more and requires more - and not just necessarily money. Something they will learn if the parents will get with the program.
* they are in mortal fear that all this could be repeated next year
- Then they should encouraging all of the players to be working harder in the off-season. That is all they can do about the situation.

Pops, stop buying into the whining. And seriously, if you haven't noticed, I've been publically expressing serious doubt as to whether any of the whiners really are parents (cookie in particular), as the more I look at the posting, the more I think there may be a disgruntled former player or two out there. No rational parent who values their daughter's hockey playing experience would publically call out the coach like this, risking their daughter's reputation on the team. No girl wants to be know as the one with the parent going off half-cocked on a public internet forum, which is exactly what cookie is doing here.

I think you are giving the cookies of the world their soap box by buying into this scam. Cookie wants attention and sympathy (and back on the team or at least revenge) as her stated goal was the reinstatement of the 2 players dismissed from the team. How many parents would risk their own daughter's reputation over 2 players her daughter hadn't even skated with? I'm not buying it and you shouldn't either.

Good job....

 

[GHF]

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* this is not what they signed up for, this is not what they paid for

I would hope they signed up for an excellent Ivy League education, with hockey being an added benefit, not the other way around. Certainly they're paying for the education. This is not club hockey where you pay to play.

While an excellent college hockey experience would be preferable, things don't always go as we expect in life. Get used to it. This is a life lesson. Either make the best of it or move on.

 

[IceIsNice]

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I would hope they signed up for an excellent Ivy League education, with hockey being an added benefit, not the other way around. Certainly they're paying for the education. This is not club hockey where you pay to play.

While an excellent college hockey experience would be preferable, things don't always go as we expect in life. Get used to it. This is a life lesson. Either make the best of it or move on.

This!

 

[hcky85]

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You clearly have no understanding of the word ethics, as you fail to recognize that there are times and places for things to be discussed by different people. What is correct for one person to publically in one situation is not the same as for another person to discuss in an entirely different situation.

Your one size fits all "morality" is simplistic and leads to an absolute standard that actually has an entirely different set of faults. It is typical of a young, idealistic, and fuzzy-headed thinker. I hope you aren't a Brown alumna, as this would show the pitfalls of having very few specific graduation requirements, reflecting poorly on the institution.

Yeah, I do not have the slightest idea of what you’re trying to say in the second paragraph. Nor do I agree with what you said in the first but I’m not here to start a debate on morals. You say you have them, I don’t know you so maybe you do have a couple.

 

[hcky85]

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Another coach in the stands. Go have another beer and you'll be Scotty Bowman.

Hey, I was just aiming for one league win. But if you'd like to call me the next Scotty Bowman, then by all means go right ahead.

 

[hcky85]

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Make that two beers.

If I have to watch another game when one player scores four goals to make a comeback win, I’d prefer a 6 pack.

 

[hcky85]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

* the existing staff does not meet their daughters needs
- Players play for the coach. Not the other way around.
* the head coach, who has publicly applied for other jobs at least twice, has less than 100% committment
- Very few coaches are in their "permanent" position and most would leave for a better gig. Fact of life.
* the administration at the school is indifferent
- As evidenced by not letting the whiny parents run the team. Yeah.
* the team is unsure of how the coaches are going to react to players thoughts, behavior, on-ice decisions, and, as such, are generally supressed
- When you toss a few players for "issues", you generally get people's attention.
* the locker room is dreary, being on the bench is no picnic either
- Seen worse. Shouldn't be a surprise for anyone recruited.
* no one of immediate consequence cares; so they rant at the heavens
- I'm darn glad the inmates aren't running the asylum.
* people won't understand how painful this is, and label the parents as traitors
- Most of us have been on losing teams. They can either figure out how to constructively help or move on, but by no means should a parent (or more likely someone masquerading as a parent - cookie?) EVER publically call for the head of a coach publically. This does their DAUGHTER no good.
* this is not what they signed up for, this is not what they paid for
- Winning championships costs a little more and requires more - and not just necessarily money. Something they will learn if the parents will get with the program.
* they are in mortal fear that all this could be repeated next year
- Then they should encouraging all of the players to be working harder in the off-season. That is all they can do about the situation.

Pops, stop buying into the whining. And seriously, if you haven't noticed, I've been publically expressing serious doubt as to whether any of the whiners really are parents (cookie in particular), as the more I look at the posting, the more I think there may be a disgruntled former player or two out there. No rational parent who values their daughter's hockey playing experience would publically call out the coach like this, risking their daughter's reputation on the team. No girl wants to be know as the one with the parent going off half-cocked on a public internet forum, which is exactly what cookie is doing here.

I think you are giving the cookies of the world their soap box by buying into this scam. Cookie wants attention and sympathy (and back on the team or at least revenge) as her stated goal was the reinstatement of the 2 players dismissed from the team. How many parents would risk their own daughter's reputation over 2 players her daughter hadn't even skated with? I'm not buying it and you shouldn't either.

-the existing staff does not meet any ones needs
-coaches are suppose to make decisions that benefit the team, not themselves
- some people might have mistaken 20 years for a state of permanence
*Most coaches will leave for a better gig BUT they finish the job at hand first typically not letting the program fall to a winless season
-players are unsure about the extent to how much they can trust their coaches when it comes to becoming the talk of the coaching community and the legitimacy of the actual stories being told
-one player was cut for an alleged "mutiny" attempt, the other two didn't have any "issues". When you toss some of your best players you usually get attention
-constructive criticism, get a coaching change
-This is not Assabet. For one, parents there could buy their kid a spot on a winning team. I don't know how many bids you'll be receiving after this season

It's situations like these, girls are hoping someone's parents are expressing concerns for the program on a public forum.

And do you have some sort of new breathalyzer that detects blood alcohol levels across online forums? Your response for everything is some type of your drunk remark. We get it, you’re close to Digit. But please try to add anything that would provide some substance to your argument.

 

[Pops Ryan]

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CanHockGuy & Notfromaroundhere,
I can say, in complete honesty, that your posts are both insightful and enjoyable. If we were to ever sit down for a beer and a Hockey BS session, the three of us might still be there for 'last call'. Having said that, I do not believe that all the Brown critics are whining. I think that they are crying out for help. Having a coach who does not allow you to feel that you are accepted...and that your personal contributions are not an integral part of a larger success is debilitating, It can ruin your entire season. If that sort of coach is there for the entire 4 years...
I think the parents are saying "No Mas".

If either one of you guys has ever played for such a coach, surely you remember it well. Do you actually wish such an experience on someone else...over their entire collegiate career? That may be the actual concern being expressed in some of these posts.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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-the existing staff does not meet any ones needs
-coaches are suppose to make decisions that benefit the team, not themselves
- some people might have mistaken 20 years for a state of permanence
*Most coaches will leave for a better gig BUT they finish the job at hand first typically not letting the program fall to a winless season
-players are unsure about the extent to how much they can trust their coaches when it comes to becoming the talk of the coaching community and the legitimacy of the actual stories being told
-one player was cut for an alleged "mutiny" attempt, the other two didn't have any "issues". When you toss some of your best players you usually get attention
-constructive criticism, get a coaching change
-This is not Assabet. For one, parents there could buy their kid a spot on a winning team. I don't know how many bids you'll be receiving after this season

It's situations like these, girls are hoping someone's parents are expressing concerns for the program on a public forum.

And do you have some sort of new breathalyzer that detects blood alcohol levels across online forums? Your response for everything is some type of your drunk remark. We get it, you’re close to Digit. But please try to add anything that would provide some substance to your argument.

Your lack of reading comprehension amazes me. You simply can't separate hyperbole and sarcasm from analysis.

My comment about beer was making fun of your amateur coaching skills, as every loudmouth in the stands (especially the drunk ones) is a great monday-morning coach. While you may or may not be partaking of alcohol, your observations are about as valid as those who have had the 6-pack.

Clearly you don't know much about coaching or managing teams. I might suggest that you start - preferably with a youth organization so you can experience the whiney parents and coaches in the stands. You'll be amazed how fast you cut those not on-board with your program, even if it hurts in the win-loss column.

As to the Assabet remark... My daughter has never played for them. We've never bought our way onto a team. Invited to play for teams, yes, but never forced onto a roster. My daughter has played against Assabet (and done just fine, thank you).

My remark about the cost of playing on a Championship team is about putting your own needs second to those of the team. Working harder than your opponents and being a leader is what it is about.

And as to Digit... Once again, I talked to here once for about 5 minutes about girls hockey. My daughter attended her camp (it has been well regarded over the years) once. If that qualifies me as "close" to Digit, I have a much more impressive list of people I am close to that I'd rather talk about.

I am here about defending a coach (and it doesn't nessarily have to be Digit) from what ostensibly (and now I am seriously doubting) was an attempt to take down a coach by a parent of a player. Wrong on all levels, in my book. And worse if that alleged "parent" really is a disgruntled former player, who is smearing the reputation of the parents of the current team. The fact that you joined in the food fight and got mustard on your favorite clothes isn't my fault.

 

[rinkrat890890]

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-This is not Assabet. For one, parents there could buy their kid a spot on a winning team. I don't know how many bids you'll be receiving after this season

.

Really We could buy our kids a spot on a team there? First of all, my daughter played there for several years. Not only was/is it a great program, it was the cheapest around. I never paid "extra" for her to play there and yes she was always on the national bound roster.