Brown - Oops! They did it again.

[Trillium]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

No pride in numbers.

Anyone care to kill?

Gladly

 

[IceIsNice]

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[dontyelldad]

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I just don't want cookie to get the last word in...

It does end w/ 1000, right?

 

[Trillium]

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It does end w/ 1000, right?

Obviously not

 

[hcky85]

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The process has been discussed before, I'll recap it here. Schools recruit the highest ranked player's they can. Take any of the top blue chip talent out there, and you can be sure that every program takes a stab at getting that blue chipper's attention.

Naturally, the top programs are likely to be first, second and third choices. If a school/program isn't on that players short list, the coach moves on to the next highest ranked player on their list, and so on.

In the case of Brown they are no longer on the short list of many players. The result is the recruit that does go to Brown is often far down on the coaching staff's "grade" list. Again, they have recruited and landed legit talent, but over the past half decade it hasn't been enough.

4) There is a limit of quality Ivy Eligible players with the committment to play at the D1 level and don't need a scholarship. Kind of tough to get a kid to choose Brown over Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, or the rest.
5) Because some of you just hate Digit and can't get over it.

Digit got a huge head start on all the other coaches in the league (first women's hockey program in the country and has been there the longest I think) and had an established succesful program. But absolutley destroyed all of that in six years.

That's my point.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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Obviously not

The mods only come by every so often. Give them time...

 

[Hux]

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So if someone chooses to go to Brown to play d-1 hockey, they're wrong.

And if someone chooses to go to Brown because it is an Ivy League school, they're wrong.

I'd hate to be a player and have you here to critique my decision.

Obviously no and no on the first two statements. But your third sentence is at the crux of the issue.

If someone is going to play a D1 sport they had best, regardless of their actual talent level, bring a D1 athlete's mentality. Among other things, it means a full commitment to the program. It means having a thick skin and rising to the challenge, to the best of their ability, and buying into the program. All of it.

The coach is a dictator, not some benevolent shepard. Playing time is not guaranteed. If you, or mommie or daddy, don't like they way the program is run, leave. Don't cry foul and try to start a revolution so you can have your perfect world.

 

[Hux]

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Heaven, I'm in heaven.....or hell, since the thing ain't real!!

 

[Hux]

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Digit got a huge head start on all the other coaches in the league (first women's hockey program in the country and has been there the longest I think) and had an established succesful program. But absolutley destroyed all of that in six years.

That's my point.

Jesus christ you are dense.

You cannot attract the best talent when the bulk of the best talent is looking for an athletic scholarship.

You cannot attract the best talent when the stringent academic requirements reduce the field of potential candidates.

You cannot attract the best talent when the stringent financial aid parameters are greater than your competition.

You cannot attract the best talent when your school, as great as it is, doesn't quite have the cache of the competition in the league.

You cannot attract the best talent when your school does not support the program with resources to match the competition.

You cannot attract the best talent when all of the above result in less than stellar results, resulting in ****in' and moanin' from the unwashed masses in the peanut gallery resulting in a further uphill battle to attract the top talent.

 

[hcky85]

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Obviously no and no on the first two statements. But your third sentence is at the crux of the issue.

If someone is going to play a D1 sport they had best, regardless of their actual talent level, bring a D1 athlete's mentality. Among other things, it means a full commitment to the program. It means having a thick skin and rising to the challenge, to the best of their ability, and buying into the program. All of it.

The coach is a dictator, not some benevolent shepard. Playing time is not guaranteed. If you, or mommie or daddy, don't like they way the program is run, leave. Don't cry foul and try to start a revolution so you can have your perfect world.

Let’s be realistic. The problem isn’t that players don’t have thick enough skin preventing them from overcoming the challenge of buying into the program. What is it that they’re buying into? Don’t give me that no individual egos, it’s all about the team b.s. because that was never an issue with any of the players on the team. That was the issue with Digit and no one else. You won’t find anyone on the team who thinks her decision to cut players was what was best for the team. It was best for her, because her “dictatorship” was being threatened.

There’s typically one thing that characterizes any dictator… they get to much power, start to abuse it, and then they’re overthrown by all those oppressed.

Someone should tell Julius Murphy to maybe take a few seconds from time to time to lift up one of her feet to see exactly how many people she’s just stomped right over without the slightest care.

 

[gotice]

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Digit got a huge head start on all the other coaches in the league (first women's hockey program in the country and has been there the longest I think) and had an established succesful program. But absolutley destroyed all of that in six years.

That's my point.

Since you seem to have all of the answers...share with us, why a coach would choose to take a winning program and singlehandedly destroy it in 6 years, as you stated? What would be her motive? Are you stating that all of a sudden, 6 years ago, Digit changed her entire coaching style to purposely trash an otherwise amazing program. Maybe just prior to this "transformation", she was abducted by aliens who somehow brainwashed her to believe that developing losing teams was the way to success.

I could be wrong, but is it at all possible that the real reason the program has changed, as people on here have mentioned, is because the competition has changed? As stated, Brown was the first women's program in the country, therefor had the pick of the best players in the early years. Thankfully, women's collegiate hockey has grown to such an extent that there are plenty of choices available for more players at all levels of the collegiate level; DI, DII, DIII and club. As the programs have grown, so has the competition for top players.

For those of you who come on here, complaining about Brown, the coaches, the team, etc. and are on the inside looking out...you should have done your research better before committing. I don't think Digit's coaching style or the program suddenly changed, perhaps you were just wearing rose colored glasses at the time.

 

[gotice]

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Jesus christ you are dense.

You cannot attract the best talent when the bulk of the best talent is looking for an athletic scholarship.

You cannot attract the best talent when the stringent academic requirements reduce the field of potential candidates.

You cannot attract the best talent when the stringent financial aid parameters are greater than your competition.

You cannot attract the best talent when your school, as great as it is, doesn't quite have the cache of the competition in the league.

You cannot attract the best talent when your school does not support the program with resources to match the competition.

You cannot attract the best talent when all of the above result in less than stellar results, resulting in ****in' and moanin' from the unwashed masses in the peanut gallery resulting in a further uphill battle to attract the top talent.

THIS
It seems so logical, even a caveman should understand it

 

[Hux]

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Let’s be realistic. The problem isn’t that players don’t have thick enough skin preventing them from overcoming the challenge of buying into the program. What is it that they’re buying into? Don’t give me that no individual egos, it’s all about the team b.s. because that was never an issue with any of the players on the team. That was the issue with Digit and no one else. You won’t find anyone on the team who thinks her decision to cut players was what was best for the team. It was best for her, because her “dictatorship” was being threatened.

There’s typically one thing that characterizes any dictator… they get to much power, start to abuse it, and then they’re overthrown by all those oppressed.

Someone should tell Julius Murphy to maybe take a few seconds from time to time to lift up one of her feet to see exactly how many people she’s just stomped right over without the slightest care.

Hmmmmmmmmmm, as I understand it she went to bat for one of her players with the school judicial board, preventing the player from getting the boot, only to later have the player start a mutiny.

Guess she doesn't have the slightest care for her players eh?

Does Coach Murphy need to adjust her coaching style? Yeah, it would probably be a good idea to ratchet back the intensity some.

Should she let the inmates run the asylum? Absolutely not.

 

[Trillium]

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Jesus christ you are dense.

You cannot attract the best talent when the bulk of the best talent is looking for an athletic scholarship.

You cannot attract the best talent when the stringent academic requirements reduce the field of potential candidates.

You cannot attract the best talent when the stringent financial aid parameters are greater than your competition.

You cannot attract the best talent when your school, as great as it is, doesn't quite have the cache of the competition in the league.

You cannot attract the best talent when your school does not support the program with resources to match the competition.

You cannot attract the best talent when all of the above result in less than stellar results, resulting in ****in' and moanin' from the unwashed masses in the peanut gallery resulting in a further uphill battle to attract the top talent.

THIS!!!!!

...And none of this is ANY different a situation than when all current players chose Brown.

I would also add that you cannot attract as much of the best talent as you used to do either, when there are far more programs available to choose from than there were ~6 years ago or so. Programs started in that time include Clarkson, Quinnipiac and RPI in the ECAC, Boston U, Robert Morris, Syracuse, etc. Other schools like Vermont and Union among others have committed increased resources and focus in the same period.

Teams such as Brown faced with the above noted constraints are far more likely to be affected disproportionately by the increased competition for recruits within a limited talent pool.

 

[hcky85]

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Jesus christ you are dense.

You cannot attract the best talent when the bulk of the best talent is looking for an athletic scholarship.

You cannot attract the best talent when the stringent academic requirements reduce the field of potential candidates.

You cannot attract the best talent when the stringent financial aid parameters are greater than your competition.

You cannot attract the best talent when your school, as great as it is, doesn't quite have the cache of the competition in the league.

You cannot attract the best talent when your school does not support the program with resources to match the competition.

You cannot attract the best talent when all of the above result in less than stellar results, resulting in ****in' and moanin' from the unwashed masses in the peanut gallery resulting in a further uphill battle to attract the top talent.

Dense? I'll add it to the book of compliments that I’ve received on this thread.

Everything you just said has already been argued about so go back to past threads if you don’t understand why not one of those reasons is actually valid for why Brown is doing so poorly in the ECAC.

 

[Hux]

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THIS!!!!!

...And none of this is ANY different a situation than when all current players chose Brown.

I would also add that you cannot attract as much of the best talent as you used to do either, when there are far more programs available to choose from than there were ~6 years ago or so. Programs started in that time include Clarkson, Quinnipiac and RPI in the ECAC, Boston U, Robert Morris, Syracuse, etc. Other schools like Vermont and Union among others have committed increased resources and focus in the same period.

Teams such as Brown faced with the above noted constraints are far more likely to be affected disproportionately by the increased competition for recruits within a limited talent pool.

Even an established program, and pre-expansion power like Providence has had to commit greater resources (more scholarships, new facilities) to attract top talent and get back in in the mix.